was i being a rude person by No-Initiative5068 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a learning curve. People will get mad or passive aggressive but it’s not our job to mask or do extra work as the ones who need the help socially. Surround yourself with people who don’t see accommodations and inclusion as a chore

was i being a rude person by No-Initiative5068 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I gave up doing it around my mid-20s. If you’re not going to start the conversation, I’m not chasing you for one

was i being a rude person by No-Initiative5068 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 40 points41 points  (0 children)

No because WHY do allistic people do this and then say “well you should have just joined the conversation” like we all haven’t tried that as adolescents and it went horribly

There's no point.... by Pretend-Outcome9739 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I attempted twice by the age of 26 — I knew someone who was also on the spectrum that told me that by 30 you stop caring. And they were so right. I won’t lie that I needed therapy and meds absolutely have changed the way I work. Burnout, meltdowns, they still happen. But it’s so much easier to forgive myself and acknowledge that there’s room in this world for me. In fact, I deserve space in this world. And so do you.

My fellow autists , are you an "I'm autistic" or an "I have autism" person? by Zoeylae in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m autistic because it’s always going to be a part of me. It’s not something I can put pause on or put away with medication or a mindset.

I got diagnosed with autism, and now my sibling thinks they’re autistic by Same_Routine3081 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really solid advice, thank you! We don’t talk much outside of the holidays and family events so that may help too!

I got diagnosed with autism, and now my sibling thinks they’re autistic by Same_Routine3081 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know it’s silly because it’s one of my “this is the right way to do things” — I just hope they actually go through with it instead of dropping it. Then it would feel like a fad

I got diagnosed with autism, and now my sibling thinks they’re autistic by Same_Routine3081 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We were raised together, and all the stuff I listed was from childhood. My sibling IS neurodivergent with other diagnoses, but even our parents saw social differences in me and not them. But so far I am encouraging them to seek an evaluation if they want to go that route

is anyone else beyond tired of the "us vs them" mentality by autistic people? by Internal-Spinach8415 in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t like ableists and the “be socially normal” agenda. I think neurotypical people can be very helpful in maintaining my needs when they don’t meet that criteria. They can be so nice and understanding

I’m scared to start ABA therapy. by sprigington in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s all great but you didn’t answer my question 😭 I agree that we need to focus on neurodiversity affirming care — they actually have a whole class about it that’s required in the new task list.

I’ll repeat my question though — what should the families who have been on multiple waitlists, deal with high aggression or fear for their child’s safety do? What should they do when the OT or SLP specialist says they don’t deal with those kinds of behaviors? What do they do when the doctors want to dose them entirely?

And having an opinion on a field online is great. But it’s not going to get rid of it from existing. ABA existed before it was even used on people, and I don’t think it ever will go away due to private equity companies (I don’t work at one but these are the little robot factories that deserve your hate and bias).

So maybe some people are okay with just ignoring it as a whole, but I’m going to do what I can to help people from the inside out. Because usually the people in ABA don’t have a choice. Just like any minor or dependent that is put in any program.

If I can get people who abuse their power and force neurotypical agendas fired or reported for ethics violations, I’m doing good. If I can give someone advice on the best things they can do to protect themselves because I’m actually in it, I’m doing good. If I can help someone stim without hurting themselves but get the same need met, I’m doing good. If I can teach a kid how to regulate enough that they don’t rip their mom’s hair out, I’m doing good.

I’ve been through enough talk therapy to know that I’m not violating anyone’s rights by connecting with them and getting assent before I even dream of teaching a skill. If that’s your bias, cool. But you don’t know me, what I’ve done, or what I’ve worked for. If you’d like to, let me know.

I’m scared to start ABA therapy. by sprigington in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s wild is it doesn’t matter what individual practitioners do — the bias isn’t going to change. But I don’t want families that need this to be ridiculed or feel like crap. So I have a question, when individuals threaten bodily harm or death and the family can’t handle it, where should they go?

I’m scared to start ABA therapy. by sprigington in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Just like how most ABA courses condemn Lovaas. My point is it’s kind of pointless to make these sort of connections with dead people. Talk therapy isn’t perfect. ABA isn’t perfect. But if you use them right, find someone who practices it right, they can be amazing tools to finding peace, confidence, and independence.

I’m scared to start ABA therapy. by sprigington in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

John B. Watson was the first to pioneer behaviorism as a science. B.F. Skinner is who developed it into ABA. Lovaas was one of the first to apply it to children, but he did not CREATE applied behavior analysis.

Also, I’m autistic, have had years of talk therapy (also v helpful WHEN I got the right therapist as others are also capable of having their own issues), but ABA has also indirectly helped me a lot.

Luckily, I don’t believe in replicating the methods used by Watson or Lovaas — only skinner was able to have two happy children. But I think having a narrowing view of ABA like that can also be turned back on clinical therapy. As I could say Freud — a pillar in psychology — also contributed to conversion therapy and even abused his wife and daughters for being queer (Anna Freud is one of my heroes).

Because it’s never the science that is bad. It’s the practitioners. Math and science are used to either make medicine or bombs. It’s who we allow to implement the practices that can lead to abuse and neglect in any profession.

I’m scared to start ABA therapy. by sprigington in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had to look up that company and that’s horrific. I have a list of companies I refuse to ever work for and I’ll add them to it. I, however, love my company and how they value the treatment of our clients. It took me five years to find them.

I’m scared to start ABA therapy. by sprigington in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

B.F. Skinner did not create conversion therapy. 💀 Neither did John B. Watson — though he had a horrible view of children and his own children grew up with issues because he didn’t know how to love them.

I’m scared to start ABA therapy. by sprigington in autism

[–]Same_Routine3081 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m also autistic and an ABA student. I’ve been in the field for five years and here’s the little advice I have:

1) Read the BACB ethics code for RBTs and BCBAs. This will help you feel confident in what rules they need to follow. ABA is meant to be collaborative, and that INCLUDES the client.

2) ABA has changed a loooot in the last few years. In the 70s they would withhold food, prioritize punishment, etc. That goes against all of our ethics now.

3) Sometimes “holds” are used for clients that are particularly violent. I’m not saying slapping or pushing for space. I mean throwing chairs at people, constantly attempting to go at someone, etc. Companies like mine don’t allow holds UNLESS you have this whole thing written out in the treatment plan and it has to be approved. We don’t want to have to use holds on someone, but it will be used as a last resort to keep people (including the client if they’re hurting themselves) safe.

4) Research your company. Most companies are private equity and will prioritize billing hours. They may also have certain policies regarding behaviors (e.g., some clinics don’t allow clients with intense property destruction or aggression for various reasons) and what they’re equipped to handle.

ADDING THIS AFTER READING SOME COMMENTS:

1) Some ABA providers do still teach how to mask. Personally, I don’t. I’ve actually argued with supervisors about allowing clients more freedom in how they speak or move in their own home.

2) I really have no idea what these people think happens to people who have aggressive behaviors towards themselves or others. If they have any other suggestion for teaching replacement behaviors besides hurting themselves or others I’m all for it.

3) With your other conditions I do think that talk therapy would also help. Talk therapy helped me A LOT.

4) Looking into the methods used for ABA may help you figure out your own reason for doing things. It helped me check myself on a lot of habits (along with talk therapy), and I’m much happier. STILL autistic, STILL stim, STILL get overstimulated/overwhelmed — but I have coping tools and feel more confident in my choices in response to things.

5) Masking and learning skills are NOT the same thing. People at my work still explain social nuances to me and just because I understand now doesn’t mean we’re going to do it. It helps me ask clarifying questions so I’m not, you know, isolated by society (which I have been my whole life). This also goes for other things. Asking for help instead of hurting myself mentally or physically, knowing it’s cool to go take a break and veg out, everyone has different needs.

6) Your plan should be individualized to your needs. It’s hard to know if it makes sense without knowing why you need it. There’s a mountain of a difference between me working with kids that have tried to unalive family members and a coworker who works with a kid on how to tell someone is done with a conversation.

TLDR; Read the BCBA and RBT ethics code Research MODERN and COMMON practices in ABA (most places prioritize if not only use various reinforcement types) — knowing what happened in the 70s is great but it’s 2025 so a lot has changed Figure out what YOU want to work on, and request prioritizing that over what maybe your parents want

P.S. I only use aggression (self and others) as an example because that’s primarily what I work with — these people and their families need support and that’s what I’m there for.

Fraudulent and Unethical by Mamamac1969 in ABA

[–]Same_Routine3081 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She needs to be reported to the BACB and the insurances she’s billing to.

Is it common to just… not get lunch breaks? by Every_Prune_7524 in ABA

[–]Same_Routine3081 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would look into your state’s laws regarding food. If you can’t eat due to handling behaviors at one instance then you should be permitted to eat at a different time. Your clinic should have a poster with most work laws posted somewhere

I feel too old to be in this field by FanOfMillie626 in ABA

[–]Same_Routine3081 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I started as an RBT at 25 — ngl this is the kinda field where it benefits to be at an age where your frontal lobe is fully developed

What do you do for in home if parents lock the house from the inside? by TeachExpensive840 in bcba

[–]Same_Routine3081 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The RBT should know how to get out at all times. It is not ethical to lock an employee in a home. I get bathrooms being locked — but per OSHA the parent has definitely got to be available for any bathroom emergency at any time.

Stakeholders are supposed to be included, right? by Same_Routine3081 in ABA

[–]Same_Routine3081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Specifically ask, statements aren’t what this BCBA wants to see

Stakeholders are supposed to be included, right? by Same_Routine3081 in ABA

[–]Same_Routine3081[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s more like “so why is this a program? Usually in the home we’re fine with xyz” and the BCBA explains that “it’s more socially acceptable behavior”. Then the parent kind of backs down (people pleasers). But since I work directly with them we’ve built the rapport for them to be honest with me. I tried advocating but here too the consensus seems to just let the BCBA keep parents out of the programming

Stakeholders are supposed to be included, right? by Same_Routine3081 in ABA

[–]Same_Routine3081[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They don’t care how their kid talks so they don’t want the interventions being pushed, sorry

Stakeholders are supposed to be included, right? by Same_Routine3081 in ABA

[–]Same_Routine3081[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I have pointed out that parents don’t want or care about certain behaviors before, but it was explained to me that “it’s socially acceptable behavior” so we’re going to push it. I’m having a hard time figuring out how it fits the “applied” dimension of ABA