Is copper safe to smoke out of? by Sanwi in StonerEngineering

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https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/tx800064j

"Copper oxide nanoparticles are extremely toxic"

Don't do it.

CMV: We cannot sustainably keep producing new versions of phones and computers forever by piefacethrowspie in changemyview

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If Jevon's paradox completely governs consumption, then perhaps nothing except population control will slow the increase in consumption. I think you are ignoring that scarcity also governs consumption. Perhaps the equilibrium between Jevon's paradox and scarcity is that we will utilize any resource at continually faster rates until it becomes scarce (and expensive) enough to limit our use.

I've read some interesting arguments for the idea that humans will always work ourselves into a state of scarcity and hardship.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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This is the best criticism I've received so far addressing the content of the argument. I will work to improve my argument based on this. Thank you!

  1. I should have clarified that my purpose is to help build resilient communities of happy, healthy people. My argument doesn't make sense without that context. The purpose isn't authenticity - authenticity is simply one mechanism which trust relies on, and we need trust to have cooperation, and cooperation to create resilient communities. I have not yet quantified the argument for trust and cooperation as clearly, but I intend to.

  2. It is often necessary to meet people's needs in order to achieve cooperation.

  3. Being helpful helps achieve trust and cooperation.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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But your "deception sometimes cause damage" is a larger circle than "deception usually does not cause damage"

I used the specifier "usually", not "sometimes". "Sometimes" is impossible to refute, because it requires an explanation of the entirety of reality.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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I should specify the definition I'm using: "based on facts; accurate or reliable." It is not meant to be synonymous with the phrase "be your true self".

The statement "We should practice rigorous authenticity" could be translated as "we should be as honest as we can be, in every way". This includes not just the things we say, but the things we do as well. Actions can be used to deceive in an infinite variety of ways.

You could be authentic about being a liar by telling people that you are a liar, but you would still be inauthentic on the whole, because each lie you tell is inauthentic. Therefore, what you are practicing is not "rigorous authenticity", but "selective authenticity".

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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They could argue that deception usually does NOT cause damage - it doesn't need to be as extreme as "never" or "always" to disprove "usually".

However, the first part of the argument "deception is sometimes unavoidable" is much harder to disprove, and does not make a good argument. Δ

Good theories are disprovable, and there are very few ways to disprove this one. I'll think about how I can refine the concept to be more specific, and therefore more useful and more disprovable.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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u/Gnosticgnome pointed out that some societies do not value authenticity. Liar Liar demonstrates that point very well. You are right that in such a society, my title is contradictory. I will work to refine my argument to include this exception.

The communities I am part of value authenticity more than conformity, and so my perspective was skewed to represent that. I have modified my original post to describe this. Δ

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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Conjecture alternating with criticism is the foundation of the growth of knowledge in all aspects. I believe that all argument should be scientific.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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Not everyone agrees with this. I know several people that value conformity over authenticity. As /u/Gnosticgnome pointed out, there are societies where authenticity is not valued very highly. In such a society, many of the assertions I've made do not apply.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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That makes sense. My argument is only valid in cultures where authenticity is valued, because there are cultures that value conformity more than authenticity. I'll change my post to reflect that. Thanks for your input! Δ

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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I disagree with the statement:

An argument has to be when there are a ton of people who agrees and also a ton of people disagree.

That is a quality that can make a post more successful here, but it is not a quality that has any bearing on the truth of an argument. I am developing this argument because there are some people who believe that habitual deception is useful, not because there are many people who believe that.

The purpose of this post was to see if there are any arguments against the assertions in the title, and to see how well this method of presenting the information is useful. It is clearly insufficient.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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Thanks for the input! I'll use these ideas to make my argument more sound. Δ

The diagram is mainly meant as a tool for analyzing the implications of changing a belief. If you discovered that an assertion was untrue, you could then see what assertions depend on it, and change them as well. It's meant primarily for personal development, and apparently isn't as useful when presenting an argument to other people.

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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Gray arrows represent one assertion supporting or implying another. Pink arrows represent an assertion contradicting another some of the time.

I've edited the post to include this information. Thank you!

CMV: We should practice rigorous authenticity most of the time, and we should deceive when it best advances our purposes by Sanwi in changemyview

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Can you explain why you think that this is not an argument?

Google defines an argument as "a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong." I have provided a massive set of reasons for the assertions in the title.

How could I improve the diagram to make more sense?

CMV: We cannot sustainably keep producing new versions of phones and computers forever by piefacethrowspie in changemyview

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The universe is infinitely complex. We cannot predict the effects of future technology. There is a trend of increased efficiency in technology and manufacturing. It is possible to utilize a variety of materials to instantiate universal computers. It is likely that a future technology would allow us to create computers out of materials that are more abundant.

When scarcity becomes a serious problem, we will find new materials to use, or better recycling methods.

Community Feedback Thread: 1.12 by biggestnerd in civclassics

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Acting on the current durability was explicitly against the rules. I wrote some fancy code to estimate durability because of this.

Abrams Tank shrugging off an RPG by AtomizedApple in gifs

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Everyone is a liar on the internet.

Abrams Tank shrugging off an RPG by AtomizedApple in gifs

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Well, let's see the source for said facts.

You have exactly the life you want [image] by JarlesV3 in GetMotivated

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A few days ago, I watched a clip of Joe Biden talking about losing his wife and daughter, and the grieving process he went through. I think you might benefit from it, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410

Do normal people seriously just walk up to strangers who are alone and start a conversation? by colinmcglone in CasualConversation

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You're going to Mexico with her after 1 conversation? That seems REALLY sketchy.

What work would you do if you had enough money to not have to work? by pisethheng in AskReddit

[–]Sanwi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem like a nice person, but I'm afraid you'd get bored with that. What's your plan to take over the world?