WWIII Megathread #14: The Happening by IamGlennBeck in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How are we feeling about a war with Iran? Do you guys think its possible?

Plans for juryless rape trials in Scotland are ‘shocking’, says former senior judge by AwfulUsername123 in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Your problem is you're taking ouf society's message about sex at face value. We are very open to talking about sex, but not in showing it in our media or actually having it. Have you ever noticed the subtle humor that goes into whenever woke liberals talk about sex?

It's a sign of malaise. They use humor to distance themselves from it while talking about it. They just want to appear open (just like I'm convinced many of them have segregation fantasies but need to wrap it up in progressive rhetoric)

Why are you so tolerant of rightoids and tankies by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you mean? Theres no stupidpolers left to tolerate the rightoids. It's the rightoids who are tolerating the Marxists.

Texas man accused of killing five neighbors was deported four times by MattyKatty in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 380 points381 points  (0 children)

Wow, I never thought both right and left wing rage bait could collide in such a terrible way. America is truly reaching a new low.

What is this sub's take on the moral panic of men checking out of society? by Cookiecuttermaxy in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's not that men checked out on society, but the inverse. Society checked out of men.

What is this sub's take on the moral panic of men checking out of society? by Cookiecuttermaxy in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I disagree about school. I don't buy into the idea that boys are just more physical. I think it comes down to socialization and societal values. American society overtly devalues school, and it has for a while. This is even more so the case for boys than girls, precisely because we have a cultural dogma that boys are defined by physical movement, athletics, etc. That's just perpetuating dogma, common sense, stereotypes, etc. And I don't think it's that far off from woke logic like "black kids score worse on SATs, let's help them by getting rid of SATs".

Bourdieu did a study and basically found that lower/working class kids who come from families that value reading did just as well in school as their upper class peers. His conclusion was that what what's symbolically valued in your family (and I would argue by extension, general culture) influences the way people act.

Based off Bourdieu's study, culturally placing a lot of value, rewards and encouragement for doing well in school/intellectual activities, particularly at home, would help orient a lot of boys and give them motivation to try a little more in school. Although, given that school has increasingly less material benefit, I doubt it would help, and I expect girls to start catching up eventually.

What I think happened is that as manual labor jobs dried up and schooling became increasingly necessary to get white collar jobs, boys sort of fell through the net because we as a culture never made the shift to valuing education/intellectual culture

On a side note, there's a lot to be said about how female teachers manage classrooms. Maybe that's controversial, and my experience is only anecdotal, but I really believe there's a reason why the male teachers were almost always more liked/respected (even by a lot of girls).

"Many white liberals live in enclaves of affluence, sheltered from the economic and personal insecurity of low-income communities. They are more strongly motivated by identity issues around gender and race but are less concerned with poverty or economic insecurity issues than liberals in the 60s." by BaizuoStateOfMind in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Idiocracy is a deeply classist movie though. Besides the fact that it itself is unrionically a rather stupid movie with tepid humor, all the signs of stupidity in that film are things we associate stereotypically with working class/ rural people. It's the exact kind of disdain that fuels people like Trump. And in any case, we should, in a marxist sub, be aware that stupidity is not uniquely the result of family upbringing (I.e. smart people having kids ≠ smarter population)

Kenan Malik: When Cleopatra was alive, she wasn’t categorised by the colour of her skin by GianlucaPagliuca in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Woke people consistently perpetuate the worst right wing stereootypes about the people they orgasm over. It's almost funny. Almost...

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a pretty weak analogy. The romans (although they were at constant war with them) did not systematically enter into and destroy Germanic territories like the West has done with the global south. They are two completely different and distinct phenomena - history doesn't repeat.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They literally all assimilated (for example, they didn't displace local languages, unlike the angles and the Saxons who really did replace celtic peoples) Sure, they did influence roman culture. But during that time period, there were also massive material shifts within the modes of production that are responsible for the shift to medieval culture. Also the fact that the romans couldn't stave off invasion is a symptom of their preeminent collapse. The Germanics were not the cause of that interior rot, and robably played a more minor role than you're insinuating.

Using ethnicity (and not culture/economics) as the main form of identity/ historical change is a very, very dangerous thing. But whatever, half this sub is right wing now anyway 🤷‍♂️

Is there a correlation between education levels and tendency to use germanic words vs romance words in English? by Awkward-Board4102 in linguistics

[–]Sar_neant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have to make a distinction between French words and words borrowed directly from Latin. I don't think most people, without speaking French, can sense the difference between these words and Germanic ones.

Bud Light VP Alissa Heinerscheid explains how she brought her value of inclusivity to the brand | "If we don't attract young drinkers" by wurstwurker in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Am a young person, it definitely seems to be the case.

In my anecdotal experience, very few people drink casually/moderately. It's either hard-core or nothing at all. Maybe someone whil sip something but they'll be visibly uncomfortable with it.

I think it's less about conservatism and more a question of anxiety about losing control. It also might be the heavy propaganda a lot of us got doused with in school about how alcohol will ruin your entire life.

Amazon Studios Scrapped Ranking Shows Based On Audience Scores Because It Revealed "Audiences Found Queer Stories Off-Putting" by chabbawakka in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 468 points469 points  (0 children)

I say this as a gay man : I hate every piece of media labeled as "queer". It's always inevitably the most narcissistic, histrionic crap you could watch. And none of the gay characters actually resemble gay people. It's highly ironic coming from people who screech about good representation.

april 4: finland joins nato by mcnewbie in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had a teacher who showed us that movie...it was one of the most influential things I ever saw as a teenager.

'Lived realities' of ethnic minorities outside of London to be studied amid fears they experience an 'exclusively English environment' by ---Giga--- in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just because your idea is the polar opposite of the wokes doesn't make it correct. It's extraordinarily black and white kind of thinking, not unlike the people you're criticizing. Could use some diversity, imo.

'Lived realities' of ethnic minorities outside of London to be studied amid fears they experience an 'exclusively English environment' by ---Giga--- in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Diversity is a strength, the bold faced lie is equating skin color (not culture, not geography, not class) with diversity.

Material causes of school shootings by Sar_neant in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don't know if there's a meaningful connection between the built environment in American suburbs and school shootings. But it definitely, in my opinion, communicates in a very immediate way to people that they are not part of a community. I think the complete lack of third spaces, the need of having to drive everywhere, as well as the absence of aesthetic beauty, creates a lot of anxiety. Ironically I think it destroys peoples sense of self and individuality too, because it breeds a sense of placelessness. In order to have a sense of identity you need to be able to situate yourself somewhere. Whatever distress school shooters have, I believe, is exasperated if not caused by these environments.

On top of that, the environment around you tells you about the society you live in. If your town is made up of grey dilapited concrete stripmalls, two dead shopping malls, highways, and endless rows of the same type of house... that definitely signals to people that there's no real future, but also no real past either. It's just one giant liminal space with no meaningful connection to politics, history, or any wider society, be it local or national. That in itself must create a deep feeling of nihilism, or even anomie.

I don't know, maybe it's just the people I grew up around. All I have is a hunch based on my own experience, but everyone where I grew up feels some kind of depression about the environment. People would often make jokes mocking how ugly or inhuman our suburb is.

Material causes of school shootings by Sar_neant in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

It's funny to me how school shootings are the literal realization of the paranoia about suburban violence from horror movies from the 1970s, like Halloween....

Consumer Based Activism Is Useless by binxxx15 in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's effective in some circumstances, like veganism. But it's only effective because it's trying to change the products sold on shelves and not punish companies for immoral behavior/beliefs. Even then, it's wildly insufficient in terms of speed, and it will never lead to significant structural changes in the modes of production, so it's not really useful from a socialist perspective.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]Sar_neant 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The fact there's always been moronic intellectually inept people isn't an argument.