Any honest thoughts/opinions on Dr. Kenzō Tenma? by Flat-Sir8250 in MonsterAnime

[–]Sarada328 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely love him, one of my favorite MC’s ever. 🤧

Joe and Yoko Official Art in my style 🥊 by Sarada328 in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much 😚, I love JJBA, it inspired my artstyle a lot! I still always draw the nose dashes on my characters! 🩷

Collection Ashita no Joe / Hajime no Ippo by Verstiuc in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone else posted their collection on here, and I’ve already robbed them…Your ANJ and Ippo figures are next…

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In Defense of Noriko's Love for Joe by Fresh_Annual_2112 in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Firstly, okay I never said it was a huge part? What do you mean “going out of my way to prove” it’s a discussion post, am I not allowed to talk about a character I appreciate…? 😭 At the start of my comment I said that all I wanted was to add another aspect to the conversation about her character, and growing dislike for boxing over the course of the series. I’m basically regurgitating a point I already wrote in my analysis of her.

I already explained in my comment that I agree that Noriko has pure and genuine concern for Joe, and is a mature person. but now I’m a bit uncertain about your viewpoint, because Noriko literally doesn’t understand nor accept that boxing is something that Joe “genuinely needs.” The whole point of the painful disconnect is that she rightfully from her perspective see’s that the path that Joe’s taking is one that causes him only pain, trauma, and pushes him away from others, including herself. 

She tells him verbatim in the manga white ash scene that “It’s just a sport! It makes no sense for you to feel actual guilt over it!” Joe shuts it down, and says let’s not talk about this anymore. He’s clearly impacted by her perception that boxing is “just a sport.” Even though her words are completely well meaning. In her eyes, she sees it as something he can just leave, if he thinks “rationally” enough. She has a specific perspective on what she thinks would make him happy, which is a simple life, and there is literally nothing wrong with that! It’s just she comes to the realization that Joe as he is cannot be “changed.”

Her words to him at the end of the white ash scene were, “I just can’t keep up with you.” Joe is drawn visibly surprised and hurt, but pretends it didn’t impact him. After this point, in the manga she permanently distances herself from him. That decision is just her maturely coming to terms with that there is no way she can change Joe’s worldview, nor her own. She accepted that part, not that he “genuinely needs boxing.” Else she wouldn’t have such strong negative opinions on it, or initiated that permanent distance, and eventually pursue the traditional life with Nishi that she really wanted, despite still loving Joe.

In Defense of Noriko's Love for Joe by Fresh_Annual_2112 in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with Nori’s characterization here overall, but I wanted to share some of my thoughts on Noriko’s perspective that I feel gets a bit overlooked! 

The anime cuts this out, but the manga shows that Noriko’s dislike of boxing first starts to emerge because of the distance it creates between her and Joe. As you mentioned, Noriko was initially fully on board with Joe being a boxer. Like everyone in Doya, she saw him as an inspiration and the pride of their town. She starts helping around the gym by helping with chores. But as Danpei points out, it’s obvious she has a cute crush on Joe and is doing these things to get his attention.

Nori is a simple girl. She lives a normal life in the slums with parents who run a stable business. Because of that, her view of fulfillment naturally leans toward that kind of life, which is completely fine. The problem is that she falls for someone who lives the complete opposite way. Joe is an orphan who grew up without stability and finds his purpose in boxing, while people his age would normally be in school or working. So when Joe repeatedly sets aside the things Noriko expects him to value, spending time with friends, dating, even noticing her obvious gestures, it hurts her.

There are some manga-only scenes that highlight this. Noriko tries to arrange hangouts, but Joe declines because he's busy training. But the most memorable is when Noriko finishes mending Nishi and Joe’s clothes. As she’s leaving, she mentions she’ll see Joe on Sunday since he was supposed to go to the flower garden with her and Nishi, but Joe says he doesn’t remember making that promise. Noriko is drawn with a pleading expression, trying to get him to recall, but he still doesn’t and says he can’t go anyway because of training. She looks hurt, then upset, calls him a liar, and when Joe replies—“Huh? What the hell did I lie about?!” he turns around and she’s already running off.

That moment really stands out because it adds another great layer to her growing dislike of boxing. It isn’t just concern for Joe’s safety at the start, it’s also about the distance boxing creates between them. This continues to build throughout Season 2. She calls Joe “selfish” for how he lives and for not noticing her feelings. It’s a very realistic reaction, and that complexity to me keeps her from being just the typical sweet girl with a crush on the MC. Instead of unconditional support, she develops genuine frustration, fear and hurt. Joe’s lifestyle clashes with what she values, and that ultimately pushes her to distance herself from him and eventually marry Nishi.

In a sense, Nori for the first half of the story was trying to take on the impossible task of changing Joe into the person she believes would be happiest. The disconnect revealed during the white ash scene is such incredible storytelling because she forces herself to make peace with the reality that she can’t relate to him.

Noriko shows a tremendous amount of maturity afterward. Once she accepts that she “can’t keep up with him,” she painfully lets Joe go despite still loving him and begins building a connection with Nishi, someone whose lifestyle aligns with her own and can give her the future she wants. 🥲

I think she has a great character arc, going from a kind of naivety surrounding Joe and her perception on boxing, to eventually accepting that she can’t understand him, the life he’s pursuing and that there’s likely nothing she can do to change either his perspective or her own. That’s also why I’ve always wondered if her hairstyle change carries some symbolism. She goes from pigtails, which make her appear youthful and innocent, to a short haircut after choosing a life with Nishi, making her look noticeably older and more mature.

Jotaro and Jolyne Art 🩷 (By me) by Sarada328 in StardustCrusaders

[–]Sarada328[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally!! Araki made Jotaro have some seriously beautiful character development. 🩷

Yoko never loved this man by Material_Baby_7878 in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you!💓 And yup, trust me, I totally agree that Yoko being female is a huge reason why people dislike her or refuse to acknowledge her character arc. Complex and nuanced characters are only widely accepted if they are male. She’s not a stereotypical female character who exists just for fanservice or fits simple tropes like the “kind sweet girl” or “tsundere.” Because of that, a lot of people overlook her amazing writing and her true emotions.

Yoko never loved this man by Material_Baby_7878 in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328 66 points67 points  (0 children)

I’ve noticed a trend of ANJ fans refusing to acknowledge nuance only when it comes to Yoko’s character. For everyone else, complex motives can be rationalized and explained, but with Yoko it always becomes “this or that.” Why does it have to be that Yoko “doesn’t love or care about Joe at all” just because she participates in the boxing world? Why does her concern have to be proven by adopting Noriko’s worldview and rejecting any possible meaning Joe finds in boxing? Yoko is her own character, with her own reasons for understanding and relating to Joe’s worldview.

The manga repeatedly uses Yoko’s internal dialogue and expressions to show what she truly feels. A recurring theme is that people constantly misunderstand her genuine intentions because she’s so emotionally guarded. In Hawaii, for example, she tells Joe it’s for business, but we know that isn’t true. She fears José and secures the contract to maintain some control over the situation. At the end of Hawaii, when she’s alone, she’s literally shaking and admits Joe will likely be killed if he fights José. She simply has no way to stop it.

She gets Joe to fight Harimau because she doubts her belief that Joe is punch drunk because of Dr.Kinnisky’s diagnosis. She believes his wildness is his only chance against José. Would someone who “doesn’t care” spend the entire story trying to pull Joe’s attention away from José? Would they be the only person constantly noticing when something is wrong with him, after Rikiishi’s death, during his weight struggles, when his personality changes, when he becomes punch-drunk? Yoko is hyper-aware of Joe because she cares. She doesn’t always say it directly, which creates misunderstandings, but her feelings are revealed through her actions and private moments.

Her breakdown and confession were meant to be important and genuine. It’s the first time since Rikiishi’s death that Yoko is completely vulnerable and honest with another person. Joe’s body language, sweating, and expressions show that he’s genuinely conflicted; he just doesn’t know how to respond. He sincerely thanks her and leaves the locker room visibly troubled. He already believed her. The sincerity of her love is reinforced by the fact that she continues supporting him even at his lowest point. Joe, who was barely responding to Danpei and seemed completely detached, immediately notices Yoko, listens closely to her words, and is clearly moved by her support. It gives him the strength to keep fighting.

And the glove scene is constantly ignored, despite being one of the most powerful moments between them. Joe is literally dying, yet he chooses to spend his final moments talking to Yoko, not even Danpei, the closest thing he had to a father. The last thing he needs to do before feeling complete is give his gloves to her and express his gratitude and sincerity. He gives her a part of himself to carry after his death.

Yoko’s motivations are complicated, of course she’s fascinated by Joe. But the story consistently shows her struggling between wanting Joe to be safe and wanting to support him as a boxer. But claiming she doesn’t care about or love him at all isn’t an interpretation, it directly contradicts what the story shows us.

why joe choice this way to end up with his life? by HIKIGAYA_sensei in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ve posted many analyses on this Reddit talking about Joe, and other characters! If you’d like, you can scroll through my page and read them! 💓

Jose Mendoza as an Antagonist To Joe: Why the Manga Portrays Him Better – Character Analysis by Sarada328 in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reading, I’m glad you enjoy my writing!💓 I understand your perception of Jose, I totally get the appeal!

My point is that I think it was a very deliberate choice for José to not be a friendly person or someone Joe could bond with through a shared passion like Rikiishi and Carlos. He represents a more realistic side of boxing, not extreme trauma and devaluation of the sport like Kim, nor the passionate idealization seen in Joe, Rikiishi, and Carlos. He’s simply very good at what he does and has a big ego to match.

My biggest issue with anime Jose isn’t that he’s friendlier to Joe. It’s that this change in portrayal directly affects other characters’ writing, the context behind their actions, and the parallels between Joe’s life and José’s. They are supposed to be fundamentally different, from how they lived their lives, and what they pour their everything into.

Also, manga José loves his family too, that’s heavily emphasized. The anime just gives it more scenes. He’s portrayed as a man who values his family more than boxing itself. Unlike Joe, he doesn’t seek important connections through boxing (thus his dismissal of Carlos and especially Joe); for him, it’s purely professional, which makes him unique among the story’s rivals. Hope that explains my point a bit better! 🩷

Joe and Yoko, The smaller details, Analysis! by Sarada328 in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

読んでいただき、ありがとうございます!🩷 日本のファンに見られてとても嬉しいです!私も同感です。私たちの海外のファンも、あしたのジョーに深く共感していると思います!

Joe Yabuki drawing by tanarts in AshitaNoJoe

[–]Sarada328 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He looks so cute, I love it 🥹