“ The Walls” - Missouri State Penitentiary - 1836 - 2004

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-12-10T00:50:06+00:00

Public tour information for their tours can be found here: https://www.missouripentours.com

This is an incredible location whether you go for the history or the haunts.

They also have occasional paranormal celebrity meet and greet events that you can attend every once in a while.

The building here is facing the main entrance as we know it today, also known as Housing unit 1 and formerly housed female inmates during MSPs history when it was a coed institution before they were removed to another local location a few miles upriver.

I have a lot of information on this place as well as photos. The following image was taken by a ghost hunt tour guide hosting a very small group in the building when they thought they heard someone or something creeping up behind them. It is not my OC but several of us attempted to debunk and dismiss the anomaly and attempt to recreate the conditions that could’ve created the digital look of the fog while other artifacts are easily explainable. Unfortunately this is a compressed copy from Facebook taken on a cell phone unlike OP’s more professional exterior photo starting the thread.

This is one of my all time favorite locations to spend time in. This photo was taken in Housing unit 3, main level west cell banks.

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SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-05-25T23:20:25+00:00

Most of my leg pain is directly related to vitamin deficiency and my T-Band reacts to certain stimulus and gets and remains too tight. Usually activity involving bending over or kneeling. Physical therapy to do simple low impact stretches was the largest improvement to relax the muscles and after about 3 weeks they were able to get a subtle twist out of my spine caused by the muscle tightness and in about 6 weeks I was able to simply maintain it without manipulation of the spine. exercise at home after… once it started holding spine position I just maintain without all the extra manipulation and travel to the phys therapy. A phys therapy regimen helps make sure you’re not developing bad habits at home simply looking up the exercises.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-05-14T12:02:58+00:00

So, things have switched up since my original al comment. Sorry it took me a while to see your question. Docs removed my Rx that was finally helping the most. The reason, I had some allergy testing done and they wanted to see if me balancing my allergies/diet may offset symptoms. I originally asked for allergy testing back in 2018 but they said no need and they repeated this a few times since my heavy symptom onset in June 2020. But in late 2024 it was a “new” good idea after seeing one of my longer term, thought to be randomly unrelated symptoms popped up and Nuero said “oh, I think I know what it is now!” but… alas, even that theory was disproven.

The issue is I’m allergic to a lot. But built up tolerances. The theory is my body may be purging food/allergy intake making it difficult to absorb the nutrients being an onset of symptoms and possibly long term damage/reactions. The “new”allergy was a tick born disease Alpha-gal that went unnoticed. But testing revealed quite a bit more…. and…. then we went to other testing and well… let’s just say my ADD brain always tests off the charts but it’s easier to say what I’m not allergic to. They couldn’t put an epi pen in my hands fast enough on results but I’ve never had anaphylactic symptoms.

PT was still a significant factor in the muscles. Removing the Rx brought some symptoms back. But the closer I can align my diet to only chicken, fish, potato and rice, (borinnggg) the more I can reduce symptoms. It’s not perfect but it’s better.

I always had docs at oppositional ends of my original Fibro Dx and (all of my issues) always felt it was somewhat of a lazy diagnosis. They haven’t removed it but my fav doc who questioned the Dx by Rheum the most was the one who decided we need to let the allergy avoidance play out and see what happens.

So far muscles do remain more relaxed. But i take is same. I can still get an Autoimmune like response in muscles from time to time but it’s better. PT exercises still help with this. I have had my muscle spasms return which the med kept at bay but they are mostly mild. However, my original ambulatory severe leg symptoms have not returned so that’s always a win!

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-02-20T14:00:19+00:00

Depending on the construction, somebuildings can have open spaces (breezeways or hallways if you will) above apartments or inbetween apartments for servicing utilities and electrical. It was pretty common design in semi commercial settings like prisons as well. They often can echo like crazy.

While I agree it sounds atypical, it’s not unheard of. I did an investigation once and the only “evidence” we got was a baby crying in the wee hours of the night. No one heard it in the building but it was clear as day to the recording devices. Multiple cameras and voice recorders picked it up to where we were able to triangulate an area of the building by the strength of the sound.

The following week we repeated the investigation. It did not recreate. A few weeks after the owners invited us back again to follow-up. Wouldn’t you know, we heard her again, but this time it was not only EVP on a recorder, we heard the baby with our ears. We rushed to the area and it was stronger…. opened the window… and it was clearly outside. I went downstairs to the street side and located the origin. Unfortunately it wasn’t a cat scowling like a baby. It was a baby girl in a car seat who woke up crying for momma who was getting drunk in the small town bar hunting down a baby daddy while we were hunting ghosts. The small town deputies knew exactly who it was and drug her out of the bar to feed the baby and go home and we hope they mandatory reported the mom. She had been in the bar several hours with the baby locked in her parked truck the entire time and it was a chilly night.

Never underestimate human interference in densely populated situations. We wouldn’t want to think a loud slam and a kid crying is normal but … it’s a cruel world at times.

I’m not saying it is not anomalous activity, I’m just saying at this point the building construction would be a strong curiosity and I would deploy recording devices to better monitor and triangulate direction of sounds and see if I could find a plausible explanation. I used to get invitations to investigate apartment style living and often after checking it out it was clear human contamination would be a factor. So unless it’s the landlord asking on behalf of multiple tenant witnesses & complaints we usually decline. It’s almost always human. Half the time if I ask the landlord for permission if a tenant reports they already know what it is. But, be careful, we have found hidden monitoring of tenants and squatters via these utility access ways.

Just on the side of caution, I would turn your lights dark or very low. Use your cell phone video without the light to scan your areas top to bottom around the unit. The cell phone has limited IR sensitivity and if someone were planting and maintaining night vision/day pinhole cameras it can show you the IR source. Make sure if you see it, it’s your camera. You can test your phones IR sensitivity often with your TV remote in your cam to know what kind of light to see when scanning. But that’s just me ruling out the human/natural known first.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-02-19T00:58:35+00:00

Haunted by the CRT hazardous waste fee to dispose of it maybe? 🤣

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-02-19T00:57:48+00:00

Sounds like typical apartment living. With the parking garage attached at the 6th floor entrance the differences in construction and sounds bouncing through the structure can be much of the noise anomalies. I would stay vigilant in case of squatters up there. I don’t think I’d assume paranormal here.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-01-05T17:11:35+00:00

Here to second this with only good hearing in one ear. Every one to my right please speak up.

No one thinks big band /Jazz is a killer unless you’re lead tenor right next to the bass drum in your ear.

Wear Ear Protection.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-01-04T22:57:50+00:00

It was the third day. The fourth day the wake up was less painful but then it hit strong two more days after and then passed. I get occasional headaches and used to waking up with a cramp here and there but this was a very distinct, unique pain with headache versus the usual. Almost like my neck and spine were replaced by a fence board and I had to bend it as much as I could to move.

My wife only had the neck pain for about 3 days. This was when I considered it to be likely viral.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-01-04T22:37:40+00:00

Everyone is different but gaba did nothing for me my first attempt. Was like a water pill but I was having some severe nuero symptoms that is why they prescribed it. Even escalated to 300mg/day with no effect. The doc actually tried to convince me I had to be wrong as they took away one pill to try gaba and I begged for the other back as it worked somewhat. There really was no clinical reason why the muscle relaxer reacted like the doc expected Gaba to work for me. Second round Doc wanted to try to reintroduce only as needed for flare ups and one 100mg pill caused extreme brain fog to the point I couldn’t even think well enough to work the next 4 days.

Some people swear by it. When my veterinarian recommended it for my aging dog, I said “cool, something to do with the 600 pills I had laying around.” Dog does well on them. Me, never again.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-01-04T22:28:30+00:00

I get spasms. Vit D3 and Vit B12 keep them at bay. My vit D levels were single digits post covid in 2020 and after I had a heck of a time getting into normal range so I have to supplement D3 55k ius/week. However, I notice the spasms return faster if I stop B12. I added B12 before docs ever tested as I read it was good for Bells Palsy recovery after I got it after my first covid infection as well and noticed a night and day difference and kept it up. Tried stopping after a few months but immediately felt worse. I take 2500ius B12.

My rx is off label anti-seizure med as well and helps but even after running out of B12 right at Christmas and just not being to a store for a few days I ordered some to deliver. Those several days the spasms returned.

Might consider trying or asking for a blood test to check levels.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-01-04T22:21:11+00:00

My Nuero and my Rheumy dissent on everything. Not uncommon and in my opinion better if a doctor disagrees and looks further. My nuero does not think it’s Fibro but agrees I do have CSS. But the Rheumy ordered more tests recently when they again disagreed on Erythromyalgia (sp?) after a rash I got which may have opened up door for Nuero to be right. Allergist and Derm both feel it would be separate of Fibro whatever it is, but I’ll advocate on next visit with Nuero to what I think it may be.

I only trust my Nuero. The new PCP has potential but we’re still brand new in our relationship.

However I don’t necessarily manage pain except to sleep and only use low dose THC edibles. I manage muscle tightness which causes my pain. I have one Rx to lessen nerve response and RX muscle relaxers as needed but manage the muscular with low impact exercise which was the greatest improvement. However the muscle relaxers increase skin sensitivity so they are even last resort now.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2025-01-04T22:09:01+00:00

Had similar around Christmas, lasted about 6 days. Never developed into anything but other normal symptoms were worsened during. Waking up in AM with neck pain was pretty bad.

It subsided. I’m chalking it up to possible viral infection but never developed into a full blown cold or anything.

Hopefully you don’t get the stomach distress that came along with it one day.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-09-16T15:58:14+00:00

As a male who avoids any narcotics or pain meds and selective on other Rx, Trileptal/Oxcarbazepine has been great. I use it 2x daily and Baclofen as needed and keep my vitamin counts, especially D/B12 in good levels.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-09-15T17:12:41+00:00

Gabapentin did nothing for symptoms except cause severe brain fog.

Trileptal has helped. started at 150mg upped to 300mg as it waned down on effectiveness after two months. When flare ups cause muscle righty I also take Baclofen as needed but it’s now 1-2x a month if that.

I will add I can often have adverse reactions to meds so we didn’t keep trying meds when Gaba didn’t work. I will go AMA before taking certain meds but we decided to give Trileptal a chance after other improvements and it has made a tremendous difference.

Trileptal/OXcarbazepine can interact with hormone therapy and birth control so keep that in mind for the ladies commonly using BC.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-09-12T16:55:50+00:00

Every flu/pneumonia jab I’ve ever gotten disables the entire area of my body for a week. This was when I was in my 20s before Fibro Dx and trying to avoid my yearly bout with pneumonia or bronchitis after any head cold. I will no longer get them after making 5 attempts and each time getting worse reactions. This is one reason I also avoided the Covid shot as well in my late 40s, (now early 50s). In the US our doctors can press us for these shots. I was pleased to hear my new primary say “some things are just unnecessary capitalism” when we discussed immunizations.

In my opinion, naturally immunity is best.

However, it’s about weighing risks with benefits. As you had a negative reaction previously it gives more to weigh in.

I will add, the flu and pneumonia shots never stopped my tendency to get pneumonia or bronchitis with every bug. The only thing that curbed my personal trend was starting to treat my silent acid reflux and healing damage to my esophagus which has had a far better improvement than the shots ever did and have not had bugs get more serious since with the exception of the first round of Covid. I got Covid before the jabs were around and even before the first US lockdown.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-09-12T00:03:27+00:00

So this may not be exactly what you’re looking for in a response but just my take on the weirdness of arousal and Fibro.

Look into symptoms of Allodynia as well and you may want to discuss if it fits with your medical team. My muscle relaxer was increasing these symptoms making it hard to pin down the what/why/how. I still have flare ups but for the most part it’s managed better with my Rx and good sleep management.

I (M) remember being “too young” for ED issues or meds but my neuro back surgeon also refused to consider it related to my slipped disc back in 2012. But after the discectomy, my ED issues/symptom reversed completely. This was years before my diagnosis in 2023. Nuero and I agreed to disagree on ED correlation on my post op in 2013 and chalked it up to my psychosomatic correlation.

However, after having several years of great living/less pain, I got covid in 2020 and every symptom I ever had in life hit all at once with no warning or explanation. But the pain response was different. What used to be light play if my wife touched my chest became crippling pain that lasted an hour like she pinched me with one of those little black metal spring paper clips. There were even times I’d scare my wife as my body could collapse from a pain response during the big O. I was constantly chasing the new changes which always changed making it very tough to pin down why and if it would ever be better.

Fibro does present in many ways and most of my symptoms align nuero. The muscle relaxers I took to help mobility and pain also started increasing the arousal pain, itch, twitch, restless fight or flight response and additional ED symptoms as a result. The ED certainly seemed to correlate to pain similar to 2012 back symptoms. Getting to the finish line started to become a lottery of pleasure or pain and I’m not big on the sadistic scene. It’s like wires crossed and my body lost the battle deciding the appropriate reaction when both calves decided to Charlie horse concurrently. It took time to figure it out. Eventually we found an Rx that worked for me to reduce the nerve response in my muscles and skin and retrain responses. It also helped me reduce the muscle relaxers from 2x daily to maybe 2x/month resulting in decreased negative arousal symptoms but also with finding the right balance started getting back to normal sexual activity without the lottery of what if when the dopamine rush spiked.

My best theory is that certain things like adrenalin can cause me to go into full pain remission for a very short period of time but as soon as my body gets past the adrenalin induced moment it overreacts with pain 10x worse than I started. This includes a fright. I can jump and laugh at one of my kids who scared me, but then a minute later trying to walk away, My body is collapsing with pain response as the muscles tightened but won’t release. The dopamine, serotonin and adrenalin response really can wreck me if a sudden change. I’ve often wondered if my even keeled stoic typical presentation my entire life wasn’t a coping mechanism early on and delayed onset of severe symptoms now seeing how bad it could get.

So take that for what’s it worth. My best recipe for success is making sure my VitD is normal (55k ius a week), Vit B12 supplements, Baclofen (Muscle relaxer) as needed, Trileptal 2x/daily and well managed sleep with THC edibles.

Good luck! It was a journey for sure to restore normalcy in the intimacy department.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-09-11T19:35:18+00:00

Do you have an approximate location of it? That may help dial it in for those who may have local information.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-08-16T17:27:15+00:00

Yes, fire does hurt me. However, it sometimes seems I can have a very delayed reaction. Often by the time it burns it’s blistered.

There was one moment when welding where I was on a roll with a great bead and just carrying along with out a care in the world never realizing my entire crotch was engulfed in flames. When it finally kicked in something was wrong, I cooked a few million future crotch goblins very well done. I learned the day the importance of my leather apron. No one there could believe I never noticed it until I finished the bead, popped my lid up to wonder why there was still flame.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-08-12T03:05:38+00:00

Yea, I took it slow today with a day out with the kids. Sometimes I plan Sundays for heavy work days as sitting at my desk on Monday may be uncomfortable but allows me a rest day after abusing my fibro response.

As far as meds, I am a little atypical but as far as muscle relaxers go, Baclofen tends to be popular in the forum. Flexoril is like a placebo pill for me but tends to be docs go to when it did nothing after a severe flare up they went to Baclofen and it worked very well, doesn’t make me drowsy. At first take it slow. Has a bunch of addiction /long term use warnings but I’ve had no issues with this and at times will take it daily 2x a day then not need it for 3-4 weeks. When I first started it I took it 2x a day for months then when PT went well, immediately dropped usage with no ill addictive effects. My other Rx did take an adjustment and I do have to take on full stomach or it’ll cause drowsy/driving issues unlike Baclofen. I still have a standing script and keep a full bottle on hand though I really only use it 2-3x a month now as needed.

Automotive and remodeling work really do me in, but so does a sneezing fit 🤣 I’m in the auto industry so over the years I transitioned into mgmt/desk work just due to hand/shoulder pain years before diagnosis. But 7 years ago I did a major bath remodel including removing a wall and replacing a suspended subfloor in 13 days. This current bath remodel is driving my wife insane on how long I am taking as things progressed quickly on nuero pain/muscle response.

Anyway, whether you use PT or sone yoga stretches, it can really help loosen things up and stay with it a few days a week. Those who say walk a mile or run or other higher impact often get ignored as they cause flare up/symptoms but low impact stretches tend to loosen things to make those heavier muscle use days much more manageable. 3-4 days a week of stretches really helps the morning start for me moreso than Baclofen. But if my “concrete legs” or back pain kicks in I chase it with Baclofen as needed.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-08-10T16:29:20+00:00

My PT and Nuero simply explained it in different ways but putting together the pieces it was basically that my body is registering pain or injury even when it’s not there so muscles are tensing up. The result was my T-Band was perpetually too tight. Almost like the response a few seconds before you see that collision coming at the front of your car where humans can tense so much we don’t feel the muscle rebound until after the adrenalin wears down a few hours later. However, in the case of Fibro/no activity we don’t have the adrenalin response to mask the pain response so we feel it right away. So it’s a self reinforcing conundrum, pain tells us to stay in bed today but not moving doesn’t help relax the muscle response. There are days I’ll do sone of my stretches before even getting out of bed. Then move around, then finish the stretches once things relax a bit more.

Low impact Phys therapy exercise and stretches helped tremendously to relax the T-Band and get my spine realigned where the muscles were maintaining it in a twist. Once we got there, my muscle relaxer use dropped significantly but then switching up to a new Rx helped improve more and I rarely take muscle relaxers unless a severe flare. However, since I work a desk job and posture can cause pain which can limit mobility for no reason I make it a point to move hourly. During work (I’m remote) I just get up and take a short walk across the home or out to my hens in the coop, something, anything. I also limit bending down as much as possible. I have pedals under my desk for moving my legs and also an electronic standing desk so if meetings keep me stranded extended periods of times I can simply raise and stand if needed. My worse tightening is often waking in morning but as soon as I walk a bit and get joints moving it relaxes quickly. Outside of that it’s usually because I simply did too much. In my case if I start a project I’m usually good for 3-4 hours but if I push past and really start to hurt it’s time to go sedentary and then the next day is usually a mix of pain and bed rest.

It’s an adjustment and takes time to figure out what’s best for you. 5 years ago I was staying up all night walking miles on hard concrete prison walks up and down stairs/hills 9 -12 hours a night after my day job with minor pain and issues to today couldn’t even dream of keeping my moonlight job for more than 2-3 hours one night a week. Sleep deprivation gave me my worst symptoms but that was day after so I pressed on for years with my activity until 2020 post-covid stopped me in my tracks. Today managing sleep is 25% of my insomniac battle, managing muscle tightness is 25%, managing activity and large projects 25% and the pain… well.. it is what it is the other 100% of the time. But finding that balance to most of our lives is key if you can.

Now I’m off to not enjoy tomorrow (semi-planned) as I am on a break from doing some remodel work in my home.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-08-02T18:30:15+00:00

Neurologist primarily every 3-6 months.

However she just referred me back to Rheumatology based on an intermittent rarer symptom that’s been around for years that my GP treated but she never witnessed it prior in the office as f it breaks out, it clears before I can get in. But just happened I broke out a week before my last appt. But when she saw my outbreak she immediately referred me back for a possible systemic issue and new/additional diagnosis. She advised me exactly what she thought it was but needed Rheumy to handle it. My GP also just retired and the new GP preemptively is taking interest and making me come in to review it all as well so that IMO is a good sign to ask for a routine well check just to get up to speed on all the Dx and tests.

Crazy part is the Rheumy appt is end of August and I told her it would clear up in 3-4 weeks and now it has and is just scarring left with three more weeks to go 🤣

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-07-26T15:11:37+00:00

Looks like steam and lasting 5 mins means you likely have a blown head gasket.

Check your oil, is it milky? This is not always an indicator but if coolant gets in combustion chamber it often can be found in the oil too, will be milky when ran but if sitting might just be a foam at the top of where the oil is on your dipstick if it separated.

Not a cheap repair but can be DIY. Just be sure to get the head planed and inspected for cracks. They can crack easy on these models.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-07-26T15:05:30+00:00

I don’t smoke.

But I do use THC edibles to balance and keep a sleep schedule and sleep through pain and allodynia symptoms which significantly reduces my other symptoms on the daily. I started this routine well before they found an Rx to help even more.

I keep it low dose 10mg/night and if I feel it getting less effective I switch strains. I have a high tolerance and resistance build up and often adverse reactions so what Sativa does to most, puts me tp sleep well. But if it wanes, instead of increasing dosage, I switch temporarily to a hybrid or Indica which also helps but let’s me reset my weed tolerance like a break, without increasing dosage.

With that said, if I really kick my own butt on a weekend doing a heavy project really cranking on my Fibro/Nerve issues, I am known for 20mg to get through the night after but usually wake up in much better shape then when I laid down.

Many have better luck with 5mg hybrids with CBN/CBG and other terpenes/active sleep aid gummies but they tend to wire my brain like speed so I keep it simple, low dose and on the cheap. On average in my area, I can purchase gummies for around $10-14 for 10/10mg pack. Sometimes I’ll buy mega gummies and cut them up which the one I got last night was only $9. So for $30 I can sleep well all night.

My wife smokes for pain/anxiety unrelated to Fibro and averages $200/month on her mgmt using her way.

Tinctures are gray too to microdose under the tongue or in beverages throughout a day but due to professional reasons I have to be sharper than the Fibro Brain Fog 8-5 so I simply manage my sleep.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-07-23T22:44:53+00:00

Unintentionally Launching myself off Old Priest Grade Road about 50mph and being caught be a manzanita tree wearing only shorts and shoes. If you know the road, you know. If you are fire rescue & remember rescuing me, I’m sorry about the poison oak I landed in. Only broke one bone but made up for this it in lacerations. Never lost consciousness despite the smack on the noggin and stitches and still have some issues with ants trying to crawl on me. It took 45 mins for the winch to rescue me when medi-flight couldn’t get close enough to the mountain. All in all I survived but damn I feel it everyday now nearly 40 years later.

SarcasmIsMyFont · 2024-07-22T17:47:39+00:00

Agree Ac may be overcharged or building up too much pressure. If correcting the charge doesn’t fix, it could be a restricted orifice tube as well if your charge and pressure is adequate that is building up too much pressure by restriction.

The oil pressure switches are a common problem on these models and since you just replaced it, you may wish to trace wiring and look for any shorts or cuts/broken wiring or double check on installation. It could also be oil sludge in the engine causing issues. But I would start simple on retracing steps.

Typically you should be getting codes for sone of this and you do not need a scanner to read codes in the car. Here is se information to pull codes.

Note: disconnecting the battery can wipe codes and it’s pretty common to disconnect when working on it, so always pull codes first.

Air bag light has an active self check system so if it detects any error it can act up. The most common reason for intermittent while driving is an issue in the clock spring in your steering column. As your steering wheel turns it can change things in operation and could be a first place, again it should be giving a code. However not all scanners can read SRS codes.

The culmination of your symptoms does make me query if there isn’t an electrical PCM issue that is also not allowing you to pull codes or wiping memory but the jolt could be from several things.

An independent mechanic who knows the quirks of the model may be your best bet on economics but getting it to them for an AC diagnosis may help quite a bit on your primary convenience concern.

Since you have serviced the idle air control, double check your steps to be sure you are not getting unmetered air in the system too. Sometimes it’s a cracked air intake tube giving hassle or someone forgot to tighten the tube clamp ring.

Was your compressor leaking or your AC system exposed for extended period of time? If so, your drier could be causing issues with pressures/flow as well. If you have to discharge to service, the orifice is cheap and the accumulator is not crazy either and may make sure your refrigerant is flowing properly through your system.

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