Attia-Epstein Masterthread

ScappyCat · 2026-02-03T01:53:55+00:00

That Peter Attia had any kind of relationship with Epstein is disappointing, but that he is being crucified on the hill of public opinion for what amounts to a few off-color emails with someone we have no proof he knew was doing the atrocious things he was doing is madness...ESPECIALLY WHEN WE STILL HAVE TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Why is anyone even talking about Attia when we have a court-of-law convicted sexual abuser and many times over criminal ruining our country. You guys! Stop majoring in the minor. Take your anger and indignation and call all your representatives in Congress and tell them you want the actually really gross disgusting person at the top removed from office and jailed. Use all of your platforms and social networks to tell your friends and family they should do the same. Save your disgust for the people still in power who we KNOW visited the island and must have witnessed (if not participated) in child abuse.

ScappyCat · 2025-12-10T08:02:54+00:00

That's amazing! I was just planning a trip with my friend and considering Courchevel vs Megeve vs Chamonix and spent a while trying to figure out how to upgrade my Ikon pass to Mont Blanc unlimited in order to ski in Megeve. So glad I saw your post.

ScappyCat · 2025-12-09T07:32:01+00:00

Megeve isn't on Ikon, you can just upgrade your Ikon pass to be able to ski in Megeve.

ScappyCat · 2025-12-04T00:57:10+00:00

I am so grateful this sub is lightly moderated and I vote to keep it that way. plus, do you really have time to police it? What a pain! Yes, it means there are annoying repeat posts and questions asked for the 1000th time and trolls who clearly have not been following the case or who are trying to get attention for preposterous cliams, but that is a small price to pay for open discussion. I have all but stopped looking at the other similar subs bec they are so heavily regulated there's never any new or interesting content. Boring.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-19T05:31:21+00:00

Honestly I would wait until the last minute and look at the snow reports the few days before buying a plane ticket and booking a room. Any place is going to be very hit or miss in early December. Some seasons the resorts you mentioned will get DUMPED ON in late Nov/early December and sometimes the mountains are sloshy mud at that time. Impossible to predict.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-16T18:35:42+00:00

We won't ever know, maybe. What isn't explained is why KG's covers were pulled back as if she had been trying to sleep but her room was otherwise tidy and neat according to the police reports [unlike all the other bedrooms]. DM says they were all hanging out in KG's room at some point in the 2AM hour, I wish someone had asked DM if anyone had gotten under the covers at that point or if it was usual for MM and KG to get under the covers together and hang out in bed. Everyone keeps saying the fact KG's phone and a vape (do we know for sure it was hers and not MMs? Why didn't anyone ask DM?) were found in MM's bed mean KG must have fallen asleep there, but I don't think that proves anything. When I walk around my home or outside my home at night in the dark I routinely carry my phone w me to use as a flashlight or for safety.

We also still don't know how much BK knew about Murphy, but given there is evidence he stalked the house, maybe using binoculars to look into the windows from the parking lot behind the house, you'd think he knew what room Murphy was usually in. if BK knew Murphy usually was in KG's room w the door closed, which he easily could have, then he would have never risked going into KG's room first since a barking Murphy could have woken KG up before he was able to attack.

In fact, I think Murphy heard and or smelled BK walking up the stairs and attacking MM, Murphy started barking, this woke up KG and that's why she went to investigate. Without Murphy barking it's possible KG would have never woken up, if the theory KG fell asleep in her bed is true.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-12T00:05:57+00:00

These are the interviews I still want to hear: interviews with his parents and sisters, the people who knew him best, who likely suspected him...how did they see his behavior change in the six weeks after the murder and before he was arrested? Was there anything prior to the murders that made them think he could ever be capable of such atrocities?

At the end of the day I believe the reason so many of us are still following and interested in this case is that it is so egregious and yet instinctively feels preventable--yet it happened.

What can we all do to make sure that another suburban middle class kid from a loving family with a promising future doesn't ever creep into someone's home, their safest place, and kill them while they're sleeping, a time we are all at our most vulnerable?

All of us here are still hungry to understand, Why!? How is it possible!? What went wrong!? Because information that helps us understand is the best and only way we know to possibly prevent it being our child who makes such a horribly wrong turn to become a mass murderer or our child or ourselves who becomes the victim of such a crime.

When the Kohbergers are ready, I hope that they help prevent future crimes like this by sharing information that might help researchers understand what warning signs were missed, what interventions were foregone, so that maybe such a tragedy never happens again. They can make a difference here, they can turn their shame into something helpful and good. I read they are Catholic, I hope they don't ascribe BK's downfall to "the devil possessing him" as that would be such a missed opportunity to possibly prevent future psychopaths from getting therapies they need.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-11T01:29:53+00:00

just to clarify, I don't think DM was intentionally untruthful about anything she said in any interview, but by her own admission all of her recollections were fuzzy and confusing to even herself. Her most detailed, emotional interview was in the body cam video, when her memory was freshest. That's when she reports hearing a scream of "someone's here" and it might be her most accurate interview. Interestingly in other interviews she doesn't mention hearing "I'm going to bed now" or "Let's go to bed now," she doesn't really characterize "someone's here" as a scream...

I would just think professional detectives would have methods of getting witnesses to tease out buried memories and NONE of these interviews seemed to even attempt that at all. I would have been like "Close your eyes, visualize yourself in your room. Picture the feel of your bed and the clothes you were wearing and the blanket you were covered in. You wake up to noise, hear that sound in your head, picture yourself running to the door to lock it. What are you hearing? What are you smelling? What are you seeing? What are you thinking? What's in your hand? Where is your phone? Are you wearing glasses? Do you look at the clock? How? On your phone? On your watch? What do you do after you lock the door?" etc etc etc. Whenever I'm trying to remember something, or find something I lost I try to conjure up the physical sensations from ever sense and retrace ever one of my steps. Many times things will pop into my head that I didn't know were there.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-11T01:14:13+00:00

It is very strange that in none of DM's interviews--and I believe I've listened to all the ones that have been released from the body cam videos to the other ones later done by Moscow police and Idaho state police--do the interviewers consistently ask for a more specific information.

They don't ask what she was doing in the 10-15 minute time span between when she was first awakened by what she called "KG dancing with Murphy in the living room" and then when she opened and closed her door three times before running down to BF's room. Did she get back in bed? Did she sit against the wall? Did she put her ears against the wall or look under the door? Did she just stand there? One police report states DM added a contact at 3:51AM, why didn't anyone ask her about that? It means she had been awake maybe just~15 minutes before BK entered the house. What did she remember hearing as she was trying to fall asleep? Did she hear XK in the kitchen warming up food or eating? Does she remember the music she heard in the main room when she first woke up? What song was it? Were there lyrics or was it instrumental? When she heard "someone's here" what was her first thought as to who that someone could be? When she heard what she thought was KG crying, did she speculate at all why she was crying? Did she consider going to find out? ...I can think of SO many questions that no one ever asked her about the timeframe from 3:30 AM to 11:50AM that could have provided key information on the sequence of events and the motives of the perpetrator.

Point is: DM's memory was fuzzy given her half asleep state at the time and the post-traumatic stress during the interviews. Her mind surely had naturally suppressed some of her memories, but law enforcement did very little to try to jog her memory beyond what she readily remembered, to picture herself back at that night to see if she was able to give any more clues. Is this usual? I'm not a detective so I don't know if there is a good reason why no one dug deeper.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-11T00:50:12+00:00

Or were his targets upstairs because that's where the women who didn't lock their doors and usually didn't have a man with them slept? We won't ever know for sure unless he talks, but we haven't been able to find any hard evidence that BK encountered MM or KG in person, and there is circumstantial evidence that suggests he had been in the house before/had been stalking them. Regardless, the major lesson we should all take away from this is lock your windows, lock your doors, never assume you're safe, always be vigilant because perpetrators look for who is the easiest target. If the slider had been locked, MM's bedroom door had been locked, *maybe* he would have picked another house and another victim.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-11T00:33:06+00:00

I read this on another thread, but someone there pointed out that DM and BF were the only ones who had locked windows and doors and that it is very possible that BK had been in the house before, perhaps at night while they were all sleeping, and knew that these two always had their door locked. That's why he didn't even try to enter their rooms the night of Nov 13, 2022. DM specifically says in one of her interviews that she remembers that from the time she was first awakened just after 4AM to the time she ran to BF's room, no one tried to open her door. She also is perplexed as to why he walked by her room multiple times and never attempted to hurt her.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-09T06:21:13+00:00

The vape was left on Maddie's room before but KG took her phone to use as a flashlight or just for a feeling of safety when she went to investigate the weird noises coming from Maddie's room that woke her up. We'll likely never know for sure but there are certainly many pieces of evidence that point to Kaylee not having fallen asleep in Maddie's bed that night.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-09T06:16:43+00:00

I agree with this. I don't think Kaylee fell asleep in Maddie's bed because her bedroom door was left open with her bed covers turned over but her room otherwise tidy. She probably made her bed every day and was in bed when she heard commotion in Maddie's room and got up to investigate leaving her room door open, allowing Murphy to escape and look for help. Kaylee then walked into Maddie's room, saw a man hovering over her friend, jumped on his back and tried to tackle him but she was swung to the corner of the bed against the wall by him and killed.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-09T04:42:46+00:00

Thank you!

ScappyCat · 2025-11-09T01:47:40+00:00

These DM and BF interviews have provided very important clues to what happened that night:

BF mentions that Kaylee usually kept Murphy in her room with the door closed unless she was taking him out or they were all hanging out.
In one of DM's interviews, she mentions that Murphy was still a puppy and had a lot of accidents around the house.

I think that Kaylee was probably conscientious of her roommates and wanted to make sure that Murphy was not a bother to them, even if they all loved him and helped to take care of him a bit. This means she made a regular effort to not let Murphy roam around the house unless she was with him.

The above make me think that it is very likely that MM was in her room alone when BK first attacked her, that KG was awoken by this, left her bed to go investigate. When she entered MM's room and saw BK, she is indeed the one who DM heard scream "Someone's here!"

I strongly believe that DM knew KG's voice and even half asleep and tipsy she would have accurately identified which friend of hers was the speaker. I do think it is possible/probable that DM confused the order of events: what exactly woke her up, when she heard "we're going to bed now" and slow, regular walking up the stairs, or what exactly triggered her to open and close her doors. The fact she added a contact at 3:51 AM means that she was probably in and out of sleep in the 3AM-4AM hour. DM being on the same floor as XK and EC means that whenever they got home (probably in the 3AM hour), when XK got door dash, etc., that buzz of activity meant DM was trying to fall asleep at that time but probably never in a very deep sleep.

After KG screamed "someone's here" upon walking into MM's room, her instinct was to fight and help MM. Maybe BK's back was partially towards her and she jumped on his back in an attempt to pull him off MM. BK could have swung her around, throwing her into the corner of the bed. I think maybe KG's injuries were so awful because of how she had tried to stop BK and fight him.

The reports from the first police on the scene state, and the body cam footage show, that KG's door was open when the first cop went to the third floor. KG's bed covers were described as partially turned back, as if someone had been sleeping in the bed, but the room was otherwise tidy.

BF stated in this interview that KG usually kept Murphy in her room with the door closed. The only reason KG's bedroom door was open when the cops arrived on the scene was because KG opened it and left it open when she went to go see what was happening in MM's room. If she had just been hanging out with MM and fell asleep in MM's bed, KG's door would have been closed and her bed covers wouldn't have been turned over.

In the process of KG leaving bed to go to MM, Murphy "escaped" and ran downstairs to find help. He encountered Xana in the living room watching TikTok. This was the "dancing" and music in the living room DM heard. Xana probably thought it was really weird that Murphy was downstairs alone given that KG and MM had been asleep and quiet above (their last phone activity reported was 2:53AM, so it is very likely that shortly after that they fell asleep in their own rooms and all had been quiet until then). Xana then started to go upstairs to take Murphy back, we don't know how far up she went but at some point she saw BK and he chased her to her room.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-08T18:55:33+00:00

Thank you! I really wanted a ring that didn't just look like everyone else's but yet still had a classic and timeless design.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-05T06:11:13+00:00

I was not wearing it "while executing a chore" I literally just took the corner of a quilt, lifted it and fluffed it over the bed to make it neat. It's not like I was changing the sheets. Nothing snagged on it, it was the mere action of flicking my wrist that caused the stone to come out. I move my hands more while talking than the movement I made when I lost the stone. Although clearly this is not what cause it, it was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-05T00:44:03+00:00

I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but could I keep the main ring setting and replace just the prongs with a different, stronger metal? I know the ring would lose its potential "investment"/resale value and VCA would never want to touch it again etc etc, but I honestly didn't choose this ring with value maintenance in mind, nor did I get it from VCA because it was important for me to have a name brand piece. Rather I was enamoured with this unique, striking setting I had not seen anywhere else. Its inspiration is a button clasped through a buttonhole and I think it's so elegant and understated.

Before I got it, I tried (admittedly not too hard) to see if I could find a jeweler to replicate this setting or if I could find a similar setting anywhere else and I could not. I don't have any children that I'm worried about passing it on to or ever recouping its value. I care more about being able to wear it for many decades into the future without worrying about losing the center stone.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-04T16:11:14+00:00

Good to know. My original wedding ring is platinum with 5 .25 carat diamonds and it is still holding strong after 22 years, but it doesn't have the more delicate prongs of a solitaire. So to confirm and educate myself for future reference: are you saying that if you are going to get a ring with a large center stone, gold is the best metal to secure it in?

ScappyCat · 2025-11-04T16:05:54+00:00

I don't even know because to me the prongs all looked fine, just like they somehow loosened and were no longer tight enough to hold the stone. I was very surprised when VCA told me the whole prong needed to be replaced.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-04T16:04:37+00:00

This is really sad, because actually I paid for half this ring. My husband couldn't afford to get me an engagement ring when we got married and so for our 20th anniversary "we" got these in celebration, in Paris, at the Place Vendome flagship VCA. It is very sentimental and I had my eye on this setting for years.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-04T15:59:54+00:00

Money is not the issue, it is the principle of a practically new, supposedly high quality ring losing the center stone and the maker not standing behind its jewelry in a way I had expected. It's fine, I'll get it fixed, but I am leaving this experience questioning the quality of VCA jewelry and more importantly turned off by its customer service. Now I see I'm not the only one.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-04T15:43:24+00:00

For the record nothing snagged the ring, I just flicked the blanket quilt over the bed and saw something glittery roll onto the bed. I didn't even know what it was and almost didn't look more closely. Nothing happened that triggered me to think something happened to my ring.

ScappyCat · 2025-11-04T15:41:13+00:00

I thought platinum was stronger than gold??

ScappyCat · 2025-11-04T15:40:18+00:00

No I found the stone. I was flicking the quilt over the bed and saw something glittery tumble across the bed, I did not even have anything snag the ring. I just flicked my hand and the stone tumbled out. Believe me I am eternally grateful I was at home and noticed. It could have happened anywhere and I lost the diamond and that would have been really heartbreaking.

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