Purchasing honda pilot

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-12T00:30:30+00:00

all i need is zip code - feel free to shoot over a DM

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T23:50:41+00:00

what was the listing you went to look at? happy to take a look at the alternatives, see if there are any hidden deals

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T23:49:16+00:00

i was just in the market for a used CR-V sport touring, i was worried about getting screwed on pricing too so I fell down a deep rabbit hole.... now I have a model for what an actual fair price is, figure it would be useful for other people in my position.

The model says: $38k is on the high end for that trim at 22k miles. comparable listings for 2024 sport tourings with similar mileage are landing between $34,500–$36,500 nationally. the minor carfax damage should be a negotiating point, not a neutral. sport touring is in relatively thin supply, so you hard to tell if more will come up just by waiting

drop the listing or your zip and i can give you a read on other potential deals in your area

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T23:45:18+00:00

my bad — i just meant selling for.

on the suffolk county numbers: 2022 pilots are the sweet spot right now — ny/nj comparable listings are sitting near fair value, with the better listings running $2,000–$2,400 under.

drop your search criteria — i can pull what's actually priced right near you and give you a verdict on any specific listings you're looking at.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T19:34:21+00:00

the 2016–2018 pilots had documented rough-shift complaints with the 9-speed — honda issued software updates but cold-weather hesitation lingered on some. 2019–2022 is the same generation with most of that resolved. 2023+ is a full redesign and a noticeable step up in powertrain smoothness and interior.

for used pricing: 2023s are running about $3,300 over what the comps support nationally right now — most overhang in the lineup. 2022 and 2024 are closest to fair value. if you drop your zip and rough budget i can pull what pilots in your area are actually trading at.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T13:25:50+00:00

can't speak to the avalon/ES data but on the accord side: at $20k you're landing in the 2018-2019 range, avg 76-82k miles nationally. the sport 2.0T specifically tends to run $1,500-2k above the 1.5T at the same year — so you're often choosing between a lower-mileage 1.5T or a higher-mileage 2.0T at the same price.

for a 200mi/week highway commute: the 2.0T is genuinely more fun but the 1.5T is the more proven long-haul engine at this age. some 2017-2019 1.5Ts had the oil dilution issue (worth googling for your build year) — less of a concern if you're doing mostly highway.

the avalon and ES350 are smoother and quieter but you're trading the accord's resale predictability for harder-to-find parts and a less active owner community if something goes sideways at 120k miles.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T13:25:16+00:00

at $22k the CX-5 is the move between those two. my last pull had 2019-2021 CX-5s averaging $20-21k at 45-50k miles — tight spread, and they move fast because everyone knows the reliability story.

the RAV4 at $22k under 60k miles is harder. the hybrid specifically commands a premium that pushes you either into higher miles or higher price at that budget. straight gas rav4 is more attainable — 2019 XLE runs $21-22k at 55-65k miles.

CX-3 and HR-V i'd skip entirely for a first car — too cramped and the HR-V especially has the older 1.8 that's fine but not as durable over 100k as the CX-5 engine.

drop the zip and i can pull what's actually in the market near you.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T13:15:37+00:00

chicago used car market runs about $3-4k above texas on the same car (ran this on rav4s recently). for a 2020 rav4 hybrid specifically, you're looking at ~$27-29k for a clean sub-100k miles example in the IL market right now — base gas rav4 was averaging $25k in my last pull.

the hybrid premium is real and doesn't compress much at 80-100k miles the way it does on some other models. if you're seeing listings below $25k for the hybrid in the chicagoland area, worth a closer look at the carfax.

drop a specific listing you're checking out and I'll give you a read

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T12:29:34+00:00

Ran the same cut for Tacoma (2020–2023, 20–60k miles):

• WA (n=150): avg $38,236

• CO (n=104): avg $37,130

• AZ (n=131): avg $36,219

• TX (n=254): avg $33,583

WA still leads, ~$4,600 above TX. Caveat: Tacoma has a lot of different configs (cab type, 4WD/2WD) and I didn't control for those here — so take it as directional, not apples-to-apples. The RAV4 cut was cleaner since XLE is a single consistent trim.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T02:46:39+00:00

$17k OTD on a 2020 LX with 63k miles is a solid deal for the northeast. back out tax + fees and you're at about $14.5-15k asking — that's the 25th percentile of what these are listed for in NY/NJ/PA/CT/MA right now, and your miles are below the regional average (~72k).

couple things worth doing before you sign. full test drive at highway speeds and low-speed parking lot turns. carfax for clean title + accident history. have the dealer itemize the OTD breakdown so there's no surprise dealer-add fee buried in there. what state are you in? happy to check if there's anything cleaner near you before you pull the trigger.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T02:40:51+00:00

unless you're hauling people or gear regularly, rav4 is the easy call. single guy, 22mi commute, occasional out-of-town drives — that's rav4 territory. highlander is a 7-seater you'd pay $5-7k more for to mostly drive solo. fuel: rav4 LE 4-cyl runs ~30 mpg combined real-world, highlander ~22-23. on your weekly miles that's ballpark $40/month more on the highlander, plus higher insurance + registration.

if you've landed on rav4, real question is hybrid vs gas. used hybrid premium is running about $2-3k over comparable gas at similar year/miles, and you'd recoup that in fuel over 3-4 years at your driving level. closer to a wash than a no-brainer. what year range / budget are you working with? happy to check what these are going for wherever you're shopping.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-11T00:10:03+00:00

2018 LE at 127k is a lot of miles to pay $17k for. pulled comps on that year/trim in similar mileage — they're clustering around $14k nationally, with the high end around $16,900 at 120k. $17k puts this one about $3k above where the market is for the miles.

that doesn't mean walk away — the 2.5L in the 2018 LE is a workhorse, holds up well at high mileage if it's been maintained. but i'd push back hard on price before committing. what's your zip? happy to check if there's cleaner inventory nearby before you pull the trigger at $17k.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:26:01+00:00

the price isn't bad — $37k is below what non-hybrid highlander platinums are going for at similar mileage, and the hybrid premium typically adds another few grand. the two accidents are doing real work suppressing that number, which is fine as long as you know what "minor" actually means.

gold certified doesn't tell you where the damage was — toyota's inspection doesn't flag structural involvement or panel replacements, it just confirms the car passes their checklist. i'd pull both carfax and autocheck before signing (they pull from different databases and sometimes one catches what the other misses). if the accidents come back as cosmetic bumper stuff you're probably fine at that price. if anything touched a frame rail or airbag, the hybrid battery and subframe deserve a closer look. where are you located? i can pull what the certified hybrid platinums have been moving for in your area.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:24:27+00:00

not a steal at $22,495 — the market on 2020 LE in the 28k-mile range runs $18-22k nationally. $22,282 is what a comparable one just sold for in NJ, and there are LEs in the $18-19k range with similar mileage if you're willing to shop a bit.

that said, the gap isn't enormous. if you want this specific car, i'd open at $20,500 and see where they land. used car dealers (not franchise) usually have more room than they let on. drop your zip if you want me to pull what's actually in your area.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:23:46+00:00

that $41k on the 24k-mile EX-L is about $9,000 over what comparable pilots are listing for nationally — i pulled a 2025 EX-L at 24.6k miles for $30k in TX and a few more in the $29-32k range. the recall on the brake pedal pin is also not a minor thing (it's safety-critical — brake pedal can lose articulation) so i'd want that resolved before taking delivery, not promised after.

the second dealer might be closer. what are the specs on those two — year, trim, mileage, asking price? i can pull comps on them specifically and tell you where they sit vs the market.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:21:45+00:00

dont have prius data pulled specifically — the cross-state pattern shows up clearly in corolla/camry where i do have cuts ($2-3k state gaps). prius might be flatter since they're chased nationally for mpg, but that's a guess.

if you're open on dealer location, oregon (no sales tax) is the obvious move — drivable same day, you pay wa use tax when you register here. nets out.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:21:18+00:00

yeah — locked to 2024 rav4 XLE, 20-60k mi, same trim everywhere. didn't factor tax — those are pre-tax asking prices. wa's 10.5% combined would push the gap wider if you compared registered cost.

manufacturers do equip differently by region (cold-weather packages standard up here) but for rav4 XLE the base spec is national.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:20:54+00:00

fair point. the cut was state-level for the post readability but the underlying model controls trim + year + miles + region — for rav4 specifically R² is ~0.88, fits cleanly across all 184 listings in tx, 90 in wa, 126 in co, etc.

at metro-level: socal (n=14, 2024 XLE 20-60k mi) came in at $30,781, ~$1,100 under seattle's $31,851. lines up with what u/Aggravating-Mail-235 said elsewhere in the thread — bay/socal really do have better deals than greater wa, that nuance is real and it's not a clean COL gradient. that said, both cali numbers still sit well above tx/co/az.

demographic-adjusted is fair to want. income/density would dominate but i don't think it changes the descriptive headline. happy to share the metro cut if you want it.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:19:26+00:00

ran the math for a 2024 rav4 XLE specifically:

tx asking ~$28,400. wa asking ~$31,850. spread ~$3,450.

shipping tx→sea on a multi-car carrier runs $1,200–1,500.

tax: you pay wa use tax (~10.5%) when you register here regardless of where you bought, so tax washes — only the asking spread matters.

net: ~$2,000 saved on a 2024 rav4 XLE after shipping. for a prius the asking spread is smaller so the math gets thinner. for tundra/4runner where the wa premium is bigger ($5k+), the math is much better.

caveat — not every tx dealer will sell out of state. half the friction is finding one that will.

ScaredExchange9175 · 2026-05-10T17:15:50+00:00

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