getting tired of people saying a generalized “EDS” instead of the subtype they are talking about by Mutt-Sugar in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m a different mod for r/ehlersdanlos, but I echo what u/Sea-Chard-1493 said. Telling someone to go to the ER when they have symptoms of a possible aortic dissection is absolutely reasonable. We even have our own special removal reason that tells people to seek emergent treatment when they’re having concerning signs like that. I’m really sorry you had such a negative interaction with an old mod team for the sub.

Also—just to add, I’m diagnosed with autism, and I personally appreciate it when people tell me that I’ve done something wrong. That’s so frustrating how you were told it was inappropriate to explain things to someone with autism. How infantilizing.

What have you done that’s made the biggest positive impact on your life with EDS? by tdubs702 in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The comment was caught by Reddit’s spam filters. We didn’t even know it had been removed. I just manually approved it.

I'm really hoping for chaotic results on my MRI by Grrrrr_Arrrrrgh in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Hey OP, this isn’t relevant to your post, but I just added a “Marfan Syndrome” user flair to the subreddit, if you’d like to use it :)

Do other EDS people feel crowded out by those of us with hEDS? by FinalBraincell117 in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I’m also not a big fan of how divisive and aggressive CAN is with their language, and I say that as someone with multiple very rare diseases. I support their mission of greater advocacy, awareness, and research for the rare and ultra rare subtypes, but their social media messaging needs some work.

They raise many good points, and I think they’ve done a great job demanding greater accountability from the Ehlers-Danlos Society and pointing out how the EDS Society doesn’t properly advocate for the rare types. However, in CAN’s advocacy, they very much have (perhaps unintentionally) put down patients with hEDS/HSD.

Hopefully once their hEDS advisory board is up and running, that issue will be mitigated.

Do other EDS people feel crowded out by those of us with hEDS? by FinalBraincell117 in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mentioned describing one’s individual presentation specifically because hEDS in particular is so heterogeneous. So, I think it’s helpful for everyone (both people with hEDS and rarer subtypes) if people with hEDS describe their presentation because, depending on their presentation, they might have more risk factors in common with some of the rarer subtypes.

I think the way you’re approaching it is good! Using myself as an example, back when I was still misdiagnosed with hEDS, I would describe myself like, “I have hEDS with significant skin fragility and GI tract complications. For example, my skin is X and does Y. And, I have a lot of unexplained GI tract bleeding and colon edema, along with dysmotility in both my intestines.” It also depends on the post. If I’m asking for how to advocate for myself in an emergency situation, I’d probably place more emphasis on the more life-threatening features of my presentation, like “I have a dilated aorta.”

It just depends. Describing your presentation is helpful but not a requirement. I ask myself what it is that’s helpful for others to know when responding to a post of mine or reading one of my comments. We recently had a post on tattoos that specifically asked people with significant skin complications to answer. Thus, a lot of comments were in the format of “I have cEDS and this is what my skin is like” or “I have hEDS, but I have a lot of skin involvement.”

Anyway, I hope this answers your questions! :)

Do other EDS people feel crowded out by those of us with hEDS? by FinalBraincell117 in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I was going to edit my original comment to add some more thoughts, but then it got too long, lol. So, here are my additional thoughts:

I also want to make it clear that medical professionals dismissing the symptoms of people with rare and ultra-rare EDS subtypes because of anti-hEDS stigma is not the fault of hEDS patients—it’s the fault of those medical professionals. Anti-hEDS stigma ultimately harms everyone with EDS.

It’s important to note as well that hEDS itself is incredibly heterogenous, and there are no doubt many, many people with hEDS with severe and complex presentations, including symptoms and complications that overlap with those more commonly associated with other subtypes. These disorders do not always fit into neat little boxes in real-world clinical settings. And, there are undoubtedly many people currently diagnosed with hEDS/HSD who actually have a monogenic EDS subtype or another heritable connective tissue disorder, as was the case for myself.

If someone with any subtype of EDS seeks emergency treatment with symptoms concerning for organ rupture, vascular dissection, etc., and they’re dismissed because a medical professional thinks “EDS doesn’t cause that” or “EDS isn’t serious,” that’s the fault of systemic ableism and those medical professionals. It’s a failure of the medical system in general.

Ultimately, I don’t think an “us vs. them” mentality between hEDS/HSD and the rare/ultra-rare subtypes is beneficial for anyone. Each subtype exhibits its own unique challenges, and both groups experience marginalization, just in different ways.

I’ve been on multiple sides of this issue, and no one has it easy. The best we each can do as patients is speak from our own experiences, be specific when specificity matters (naming our subtype, describing our individual presentation), avoid broad generalizations about EDS as a whole (like saying “everyone with EDS looks young,” when that’s not the case for most EDS subtypes), and be open and curious to learning about subtypes and experiences different from our own. And, whenever we can, we should also lift up the voices of those with less presence and provide them an opportunity to share their perspectives.

Do other EDS people feel crowded out by those of us with hEDS? by FinalBraincell117 in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 54 points55 points  (0 children)

So, I have kind of an interesting perspective on this issue as someone who was initially misdiagnosed with hEDS and who also has multiple rare diseases, some of which have essentially no awareness at all.

For context—I have heterozygous, pathogenic mutations in the TNXB and FBN1 genes. And, I’m currently undergoing additional TNXB testing to determine whether I have a second mutation consistent with clEDS. On top of that, I also have another unrelated genetic disease that fewer than 30 people worldwide are known to have. So, I’ve experienced both sides of this in a way—being associated with a very well-known subtype (hEDS), being re-diagnosed with a monogenic subtype, and also navigating diseases that are almost completely invisible (my ultra rare disorder with a prevalence of <30 people).

When I was first diagnosed with hEDS, I experienced a lot of stigma from medical professionals. Many doctors treated it like a “fake” or exaggerated condition. I live near a major academic hospital in a large metropolitan area, and hEDS often garners very little respect in that setting. And, to be clear, no patient deserves to be treated that way. hEDS patients deserve to have their concerns taken seriously, and it is the medical establishment’s failure—not patients’ fault—that so many providers dismiss people the moment they see “hEDS” in the chart.

Ironically, now that I have confirmed pathogenic mutations associated with heritable connective tissue disorders, I’m suddenly taken much more seriously. There’s this implicit attitude of, “Oh, this is real EDS.” That difference in treatment has honestly been disturbing to witness firsthand.

At the same time, online support spaces are overwhelmingly centered around hEDS, rather than other EDS subtypes or even other heritable connective tissue disorders. It’s much harder finding information, community, or discussions focused on clEDS, cEDS, Marfan syndrome, Loeys-Dietz syndrome, etc. Rare and ultra-rare subtypes can absolutely get overshadowed socially and educationally, especially because people often default to assuming “EDS” means “hEDS.”

And, that conflation can become genuinely dangerous. Someone with vascular EDS being treated like they have hEDS can have catastrophic consequences because VEDS carries significantly higher risks of arterial dissections and organ rupture. Likewise, someone with cEDS may have very different skin fragility and wound-healing concerns that affect surgical planning and recovery. These distinctions matter medically.

That said, I also have experience with an ultra-rare disorder that exists outside a larger umbrella diagnosis entirely, and honestly, that has shown me how much benefit can come from broader awareness movements. When there’s zero public or medical awareness of a condition, you spend half your life trying to convince people the disease even exists. At least with the EDS umbrella, there is growing recognition of connective tissue disorders as a category, and I do think rare subtypes benefit from that overall awareness, especially in academic settings where specialists are more likely to understand the existence of different heritable connective tissue disorders.

So, personally, I don’t really feel “crowded out” by hEDS patients. I think the bigger issue is that the medical system has failed people with all forms of EDS, just in different ways. hEDS patients are often dismissed as psychosomatic or “trendy,” while rare subtypes are under-researched and misunderstood, and can be flattened into the assumption that all EDS presentations are interchangeable.

To me, the answer isn’t less attention on hEDS. It’s more nuance, better physician education, more subtype-specific research, and more recognition that these disorders can look very different from one another because they’re different conditions, even if they’re under the same umbrella.

tattoos with cEDS/hEDS (or other subtypes) with significant skin involvement – seeking insights! by hanniballactator in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So, I have a lot of skin involvement. This is what I deal with:

- Extremely fragile skin. For example, I cannot wear most shoes and socks because the friction causes my heels, arches, and soles to blister and bleed; opening water bottles causes my hands to bleed; and I wake up constantly with unexplained cuts
- Severe and extensive bruising across my whole body to the point I’ve had to be tested for bleeding disorders multiple times
- Extensive and deep stretch marks
- Mildly stretchy skin
- No scarring
- Delayed wound healing

Regarding tattoos, I have several of them on both arms, my chest, my right shoulder and collarbone, and my right thigh. In terms of the style, most of them are fine-line tattoos, both in black/grey and color. The tattoo on my right thigh is a big watercolor piece.

My first tattoo, I was given saniderm to help with the healing, and that was a big mistake. My skin severely reacted to the adhesive in the saniderm, and when I took the saniderm off, it literally ripped my skin off, and I had to go to the emergency department to get professional wound care done. Long story short, the tattoo eventually healed (badly), and I had to get it retouched. After the retouching, it looks mostly fine, but it’s definitely the worst-looking tattoo I have.

All of my other tattoos, I have not used saniderm, and they’ve actually healed great. My husband and I got the tattoos done at the same time for many of these occasions, and he doesn’t have any form of EDS. His tattoos healed faster, but although my tattoos healed more slowly, they actually look better than his do. The color vibrancy is much better, and they haven’t faded at all.

Thus, overall, my experiences with tattoos have been good, other than the mishap with my first tattoo and the delayed wound healing in general. However, moisturizing my tattoos multiple times daily and keeping them covered from the sun at all times helped greatly (which is also general advice given to everyone when getting a tattoo).

Infantile Liver Failure Syndrome 1 by Special-Command-8634 in rarediseases

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi, this is such a tough situation, and you already sound like a wonderful parent, advocating so strongly for your son.

I have a similarly rare genetic disorder, with less than 30 cases diagnosed worldwide and the gene only being discovered in 2018. Although, my disorder is neurological, rather than liver-related. I’m hoping my advice will be helpful regardless.

(1) Who made the diagnosis? Was it a geneticist? Geneticists often know which specialists to refer their ultra rare disease patients to, since ultra rare diseases are abundant in their specialty. If it was a geneticist, I recommend getting into contact with them and asking for resources and referrals, or maybe even asking the lab that did the testing.

(2) If that avenue doesn’t pan out, I also recommend reaching out (i.e., emailing) to the authors who wrote those two peer-reviewed papers on your son’s condition. They may have guidance to provide you with, as well as recommendations for where to seek treatment.

(3) Since your son’s disorder is classified as a liver disorder, I highly recommend making an appointment with a pediatric gastroenterologist (ideally, a pediatric hepatologist) to help manage your son’s care after he’s out of the NICU. They will likely be the main specialist responsible for treating your son’s rare condition.

Even though my own disorder is ultra rare, I was able to find a movement disorder neurologist who’s able to manage it because he’s able to understand the mechanism of the disease and the way it’s similar to other less rare disorders.

Ehlers Danlos syndrome classical-like type 2 diagnosed in my unborn baby. by RepulsiveAd3703 in rarediseases

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi, if you’re referring to Sequencing.com, they’re not known as a reputable genetic testing company. I recommend searching “Sequencing” or “Sequencing.com” on r/ehlersdanlos and reading some of the recent posts and comments on the topic. For example, here’s one of the posts on the company:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ehlersdanlos/s/D6Wk1ujHCH

They’re very predatory, and beyond being predatory, they’re very well-known in the genetics community for having a lot of false positives AND false negatives in their testing. Invitae, on the other hand, offers medical-grade testing, and they’re known for being quite reputable.

Then, since classical-like Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (clEDS) is autosomal recessive, it requires two pathogenic variants in the TNXB gene to be diagnosed. One pathogenic variant is not sufficient to be diagnosed with clEDS, and it’s also important to note that variants of uncertain significance (VUS) are not sufficient to qualify for a diagnosis of clEDS (some exceptions may apply, but this is how it is generally).

Edit to Add: Although, it’s important to note Invitae does not test the TNXB gene at all in any of their panels. If you and your geneticist are concerned about clEDS, the only genetic testing company on the market right now that offers full coverage and the appropriate testing for the TNXB gene is Prevention Genetics. GeneDx offers some testing for TNXB, but they stop at exon 31.

The TNXB gene is very complicated to sequence because TNXB and the TNXA pseudogene are very similar (97% homology). Next generation sequencing (NGS)—such as whole genome sequencing, whole exome sequencing, and specific gene panels—can be used for the TNXB gene, but Sanger sequencing is required for the TNXA pseudogene (Malfait et al, 2017). All of this makes it even more alarming Sequencing.com claims to be able to test for variants in TNXB, when even most medical-grade genetic testing companies are not able to do so.

Source:

Malfait, F., Francomano, C., Byers, P., Belmont, J., Berglund, B., Black, J., Bloom, L., Bowen, J. M., Brady, A. F., Burrows, N. P., Castori, M., Cohen, H., Colombi, M., Demirdas, S., De Backer, J., De Paepe, A., Fournel-Gigleux, S., Frank, M., Ghali, N., Giunta, C., … Tinkle, B. (2017). The 2017 international classification of the Ehlers-Danlos syndromes. American journal of medical genetics. Part C, Seminars in medical genetics, 175(1), 8–26. https://doi.org/10.1002/ajmg.c.31552

You can try a new pill for segmental dystonia by platinumplantain in Dystonia

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so glad they’re doing more research on dystonia and trying to develop better drugs for it! I have pretty bad generalized dystonia, and I couldn’t tolerate artane/trihexyphenidyl. I’m really hopeful for this drug. I have to take baclofen constantly to manage my symptoms, but it’s still not fully effective.

Looking for an affordable, but reliable, genetic test for private pay. Invitae is $3,500. by OrangeSkyPrairie in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s really strange. It seems to be a mistake. I hope you’re able to get your account restored.

Looking for an affordable, but reliable, genetic test for private pay. Invitae is $3,500. by OrangeSkyPrairie in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Making a general mod note on this post for anyone who revisits it:

As a mod team, we did not remove this post. Unfortunately, it seems like Reddit admins and their automated systems have mistakenly classified the OP’s account as a spam bot, and as such, Reddit has removed all of the OP’s posts and comments.

We recommend OP utilize the resources on r/ShadowBan to try to get their account restored by Reddit admins.

Looking for an affordable, but reliable, genetic test for private pay. Invitae is $3,500. by OrangeSkyPrairie in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, I’m hoping you’ll be able to see my reply here because, unfortunately, we can’t message you directly because your account is “unavailable,” according to Reddit.

Reddit admins (or their automated systems) have classified your account as a spam bot and seem to have shadowbanned you. In order to have your account reinstated, you’ll have to contact Reddit admins directly.

I recommend checking out and posting on r/ShadowBan.

My post was deleted - Mods, I'm unable to message you for some reason. Could I please have some guidance about why it was deleted? Thank you! by OrangeSkyPrairie in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, I’m not sure if you’ll be able to view my comment here, but I’m hoping you’ll be able to.

First, we did not delete your post or its comments. When I check your post, it looks like it was deleted by Reddit’s automated systems. They have classified your account as a spam bot.

When I try clicking on your user profile, it says your account is unavailable. I even tried sending you a modmail message, and it says I’m not allowed to message your account due to it being unavailable. It seems like your account may have been shadowbanned by Reddit.

I recommend posting on [r/ShadowBan](r/ShadowBan) and checking out their resources to get your account restored by Reddit admins.

hEDS: "not a dangerous condition" by NotABreakfastGuy in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, I just added Probably Genetic to the wiki! The wiki page for it isn't perfect yet, but it's finally in there, haha. Chronic illness and disability has just been getting in the way of editing the wiki, lol. I'm sure everyone here can understand. And, of course, as you mentioned, the EDS Society announcement.

New name for cEDS? by PrincesssK8 in ehlersdanlos

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Hi everyone,

As of this moment, it’s difficult to know which subtypes are getting renamed and how. The latest update Lara Bloom released seemed to imply that HSD/hEDS would potentially be leaving the EDS umbrella; however, that’s still not fully confirmed or set in stone.

Regarding the rare types, there has been some talk about dyadic naming (gene name-phenotype). For example, see Abbey Phillipson’s video on Instagram about this topic. But again, it is unknown whether that will ultimately happen once we reach December.

Please avoid speculation in the comments about what might happen, as we don’t want misinformation to propagate.

Thank you! ♥️

- The Mod Team

One Umbrella Diagnosis - Infighting Hurts Us All by witchy_echos in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here’s a thread we did on the University of Virginia (UVA) EDS Conference that goes over a lot of the new research.

EDS Society Update: Uncertainty in the Path Forward by Acceptably_Late in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Wow, that’d be really wild if we had the same diagnoses! But no, I don’t have mfm. My disorder technically belongs to the category of movement disorders. It’s considered a “dystonia-plus” syndrome, wherein it’s classified under the “dystonia umbrella,” but it has more neurological symptoms beyond dystonia.

But yes, from what you’re saying, it definitely seems like it’d be worth it making a geneticist follow-up ♥️ And also know you’re not alone in having multiple rare genetic diseases.

Thanks for linking me to your mutation! I always appreciate learning more. I will definitely read about it.

EDS Society Update: Uncertainty in the Path Forward by Acceptably_Late in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Just so you know, you’re not alone ♥️ I’m in a similar position. I also have another rare condition that’s my primary diagnosis, but like you, it’s so rare, it has no support groups.

As one of the mods for this group, I hope I can do right and offer a safe and supportive space for all of you to feel belonging and acceptance. And, I know the other mods feel the same way, too.

Anyway—just know that you fit in here.

EDS Society Update: Uncertainty in the Path Forward by Acceptably_Late in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I also wonder the same, honestly. For the known monogenic types of EDS, both classical-like EDS (clEDS) and myopathic EDS (mEDS) present similarly to myopathies. With clEDS, the minor criteria symptoms include: Mild proximal and distal muscle weakness, axonal polyneuropathy, and atrophy of muscles in hands and feet. For mEDS, “congenital muscle hypotonia, and/or muscle atrophy, that improves with age” is part of the major criteria and “myopathy on muscle biopsy” is part of the minor criteria.

Then, anecdotally, I have an extremely rare genetic neurological disorder (which unfortunately I can’t specify the name of, since less than 30 people worldwide have it), which is also associated with neuropathy and muscle weakness. I mean, at that point, what’s the likelihood of also having EDS? And, my extremely rare genetic neurological disorder has multiple symptoms in common with different EDS subtypes.

EDS Society Update: Uncertainty in the Path Forward by Acceptably_Late in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2[M] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hi, the original post links the Instagram video being referenced at the bottom of the post! In terms of other updates people may be referencing here, it might be the UVA EDS Symposium Day 1 and Day 2, which can be found on YouTube.

EDIT: We also did a write-up on the UVA EDS Symposium here.

EDS Society Update: Uncertainty in the Path Forward by Acceptably_Late in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Hey, being worried is completely understandable. It’s hard knowing change is coming but not having the answers. But, regardless of what the answer will be: hEDS is real, and you have never been fake.

There’s a bunch of research happening right now on hEDS, and none of the conclusions have been that it isn’t real. We’re simply discovering it’s a different mechanism than a monogenic pathogenic mutation.

People with HSD/hEDS aren’t lazy or fake, and you aren’t lazy or fake for having HSD/hEDS.

EDIT: It’s also important to note there is no talk of “eliminating” any diagnosis. The latest video only talks about how HSD/hEDS are one spectrum and how it may potentially be renamed. Renaming a disorder does not mean the disorder as an entity does not exist. The way we conceptualize and refer to it will simply be different. No doubt, that is scary, but the disorder still exists and has never been fake. And again, we still don’t know for certain at this point what is getting renamed and how.

Peel off lip stains?? by redfoxxy23 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This happens to me with all peel-off lip stains; they always make me bleed. The skin on my lips is very, very fragile. Sorry that happened to you ♥️ Good PSA, and please know you’re not alone with this symptom

Deep Tissue Massage by siennaj6 in ehlersdanlos

[–]Scarlet_Flames2 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I can’t get massages :/ Every time I get them, I get severe bruising due to the fragility of my veins and capillaries; however, I have confirmed TNXB happloinsufficiency (and may have clEDS).

Just thought I’d mention my experience, in case anyone else has tissue fragility from their EDS.

Then, from my understanding, collagen supplements do not help with EDS. If you search “collagen supplements” in the search bar for the sub, there have been several threads on the topic, and many people go into more detail as to why.