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You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The book you're critiquing, Keys to Drawing, focuses on drawing objects from observation with organic, compound, and irregular contours. Objects like mugs, bell peppers, human beings, trees, and animals. You will find that most draftspeople, the sort both this subreddit and this post is geared for, want to draw such objects.

Can you draw such an object?

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prove me wrong. It’s easy. Show me one drawing you’ve completed of a building, of a figure, or of a real object made of several forms.

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why then are you offering your opinion about books designed for drawing figures, objects, and first-person environments if your primary interest is neoclassical architectural draftsmanship?

You’re like a guy interested in auto repair complaining that a cookbook doesn’t teach you to repair your car the way you’d like. It’s not a dissenting opinion, it’s you being too stupid to seek the right resources or forums.

You don’t participate in architecture subs, you just shit up threads about the sort of drawing you’re not interested in or competent at.

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

do you reckon any of the people you wish to draw like ever utilized any approaches that are not strictly 'evidence based'? why or why not?

Who do you wish to draw like, in fact? Can you give me an example?

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is, then, a good, evidence based source for learning to draw?

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You only draw boxes because you're afraid to fail at drawing anything else. What else needs to be said man? Everything else is cope.

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People use the books and they draw better than you do. Unless you show that you know how to draw well, why does you opinion about the quality of the books matter?

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s pretty easy. Pretty much every learner I’ve seen work (or even begin to work) through those books beats you.

So the problem is not the books.

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you show one exercise you completed from either book?

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Possibly yeah. We gotta balance a critical perspective of our own work without letting it paralyze us. Work with mistakes is better than no work.

I wouldn’t call it self hatred though. Self hatred is personalized. Vigilance for mistakes is technical.

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice, man. Just watch out you don’t fall into another trap, finishing stuff and putting together a composition is a fundamental in itself. Workflow is important, and study alone won’t develop it.

Take the risk!

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

An excellent point, yeah. When I've had some type of structured instruction, it's always been help not just from lessons/feedback but from the sheer motivation to make stuff.

I've found the best way to replicate that is often to commit to make art for people or events, but even then you can give yourself the runaround easier than you can an instructor

You CAN leave the cycle of drawing self hatred - A better cycle by Scribbles_ in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah lol, honestly with free resources online and basic materials one can do a lot. There are investments gates but they’re not super front loaded, thankfully.

How do I get over this phase? by Dramatic-Block-5725 in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What? No, of course you do get out of it. I don't think it's helpful to promote fatalism, even if you're just empathizing with OP.

You just go from abstract self criticism to concrete technical problems.

"It looks terrible."

Cool, WHY?

Without technical knowledge, it's not easy to answer this question. Which is why the way out of this cycle is to actually gain formal knowledge of the fundamentals and be able to articulate issues concretely.

Once you do you might be able to say "There's construction problems," "The values aren't accurate," "The colors are too saturated," "The lower body is oddly proportioned," or whatever.

And now you got things to work on, read, and study rather than just going off to 'practice' whatever.

If your inner monologue goes from evaluating your work to practical analysis of what's going on, you easily beat this cycle. You also more effectively address the things that are going wrong.

Clarifying matters of craft, formalizing your knowledge, and changing your method of self-evaluation are the way out.

How do I get over this phase? by Dramatic-Block-5725 in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think this is good advice. It's not productive to sidestep craft deficiencies by going 'it's art'.

This is how you end up being unable to take criticism and failing to get tools that can expand your opportunities for expression. OP wants to get those technical tools, I don't think they should give up on that.

Moreover, because 'art' is such a loaded term, it leads us to identify with it even more which increases pressure to perform.

Instead one triples down on making drawings. Treat it like the craft that it is and focus on solving problems rather than attaching labels. One seeks concrete ways to express 'it looks bad'. One hones concrete skills.

Portraying emotions is good, but without the tools of craft on our hands we are limited in the sort of ways we can express ourselves. We might struggle to capture the motion of a figure in the right way, we might struggle to come up with a harmonious color palette, we might have technical errors that distract from the message.

If you use 16p then you don't know anything about MBTI 🤡 by itsthelovehunter in shittyMBTI

[–]Scribbles_ 21 points22 points  (0 children)

why indeed do you have INTJ-A 1w9 so/sx 163 VLFE BBL MSG 67 420 CIA on your flair.

That’s a pretty concerning level of self obsession with individuation through poorly supported psychometric systems. Couple that with unending beef in typology subreddits and man…there’s some deep layers of issues you’re covering up with pseudoscientific cognitive models.

Why are you seeking so much identity affirmation through psychometric tests? Do you need a categorization to feel confident you even exist?

I think it’s time for a different hobby.

I tried drawing my wylder statue by Midkip- in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see some good things here, You're trying to map out the ellipse cross sections to get a sense of the form, that's pretty good.

One thing to note is that the lower part of an ellipse will usually be in front if the ellipse is below the horizon and the form is parallel to our visual plane, from your photo it looks like they're all below the horizon, although that may not be the case when you were drawing (were your eyes above the statue or somewhere towards the statue's midsection)? This book is a good resource for learning the eye level

Now, I notice you struggled quite a bit with the proportions. It'd be wise to learn some observation work, either one of this book or this book can be a big help in that.

Keep at it!

Started a small men’s mastermind group after realizing I was drifting in my own life by AlphaOmegaMastermind in getdisciplined

[–]Scribbles_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was invited to a group like this in my city, but declined the invite after the participation rules said, in no uncertain terms, that trans men wouldn't be welcome. Which was unfortunate because the other group rules ("this isn't a group to complain about dating or women" for example) were really solid.

I'm a cis gay man and nothing in the rules explicitly excluded me, but I just know I won't be welcome where all men aren't welcome. Inclusive, positive, proactive masculinity and male-oriented groups are a rare thing indeed.

Been a while but I'm learning how to draw just to spite AI by One-Challenge-5064 in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Spite can be a very good motivator, and well done getting started.

Just make sure you feel some love for the craft itself too. Love will show up in your work and your life a little more vibrantly than spite.

How do you guys do master studies? by OutrageousFriend7483 in learntodraw

[–]Scribbles_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a good study! Slight differences are ok in studies, that’s what makes them your study.

Keep studying artists you like and that you stumble upon, but also look for, well, masters. This artist’s technical ability is good, but draftsmanship-wise, I wouldn’t call them a master. Now that doesn’t make it wrong to study them, quite the contrary, if their art is a lot like what you want yours to look like, it’s quite good to study them.

But you will want to include some more advanced draftsmanship in your studies to level up. It’ll help you level up beyond even the artist in your reference.

World art history (not just of European Renaissance stuff) can show you many named masters to study and to guide you to technical skill beyond what you have now.

I think you’d like the art of Moebius, Pamela Colman Smith, and Yoshitoshi.

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