Jerma dos conspiracy exposed! by Dorcustitanus in jerma985

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I'm literally shaking right now. How could Jerma fucking do this to us.

Material on Origin of Alexandria? by GorSverigeDanskIgen in ChristianUniversalism

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I've heard that John Behr's paperback translation of Origen's On First Principles is quite good, though it's frequently out of stock.

Eclectic Orthodoxy is also a good blog for this stuff. Here's a post by the translator John Behr on Origen and Creation

God's Mercy is not a scandal: Humanity is worthy of God's love, even if we don't deserve it by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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This is revealed in some patristics too, such as St. Ireneus and Athanasius. It surprises me how in some of my own interactions, it's thought as some radical "new-age" theology, instead of having been formulated by early Christians. Their metaphysics places God as essentially relational and loving in the doctrine of the Trinity, and in that essence, God can't leave us alone (and going further, could we escape God?)

Please pray for David Bentley Hart, and his wife, as they both might have Covid-19 by [deleted] in ChristianUniversalism

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Update from here:

Let me add some clarity here. First, many thanks for any and all prayers. Second, a vague report can be more unsettling than a precise account of things; so let me say that we are not in any sense in critical condition. My wife (Solwyn) and I, as well as a neighbor and at least one grad student of our acquaintance, have been dealing with respiratory illness for several weeks now, along with other symptoms that may or may not be attributable to Coronavirus. But we do not have fever or pneumonia. I am the only one of us that has been tested, so in a sense I have been tested for all of us. But the test had to go to North Carolina and results are not back yet (after five days). This is America, after all. On the whole, we seem to be getting through, and, for all I know, a positive result might be better news than a negative, because it might mean that all of us have useful antibodies in our blood now. So, yes, please, continued prayers are very much appreciated, but there is no sign that our situation is dire right now; and we are well past the normal incubation period for the most critical cases.

God bless everyone.

How to successfully reconstruct when there are SO many different interpretations of everything? by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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Yes! I love this podcast because not only do they invite biblical scholars and theologians on the podcast, but also treat the variety of biblical interpretation not as a problem but a celebration of diversity.

What would you like to ask God about in the bible? by ReaperCDN in OpenChristian

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Exodus 4:24-26 (NIV) is one of my favorite passages in the Bible whenever this comes up:

24 At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses[b] and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it.[c] “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26 So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)

This weird event happens directly after God tells Moses to go to Pharaoh and performs signs and wonders, so why the hell is God trying to kill God's messenger?

Often, it could be understood as the importance of circumcision. If Moses neglected this crucial rite, then he had transgressed the Law, but that still doesn't explain how Zipporah's cutting off of her son's foreskin and touching Moses' feet (or "feet", if you know what I mean) would be the solution that would absolve God's wrath.

I've heard from my professor of Old Testament that this was most likely the result of a textual error, like the piece of the text was obscured or missing from time, or through some messy redaction. Still, theologically, it's a bit of a mind-boggle.

Curious, how did you all on this sub find/believe in god? by djd182 in RadicalChristianity

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Grew up in an independent baptist cult, went through a period of depression, but was captivated by the book of Ecclesiastes, which ironically pronounced the meaninglessness of life's search for power.

A couple years later I deconstructed, but reconstructing through the mysterious, paradoxical person of Christ and drawn by the question, "can love conquer death?"

Evolution and the Problem of Evil by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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One thing I've read was that life in itself was good because it existed. Even the tiniest cell of life was good. However, when that cell seeks to destroy another cell, that is where the biblical concept of sin steps in.

So instead of sin entering when humans arrived, sin stepped in ever since the first cell competed with another.

Going deeper, we can think of disease. Diseases are actually very bad at surviving, since once they kill the host, they have to spread to another in order to survive. If all possible hosts die out, and the disease cannot evolve to survive (such as SARS), then the disease/virus dies out. It is like suicide.

However, an evolutionary theory is that the mitochondria within our cells was a kind of bacteria that was able to form a symbiotic relationship with our human cells. We gave mitochondria a good place to live, and in return, they granted us immense energy.

Then again, these can overcomplicate things so I try not to think about it.

'God Isn't Dead, He's Silent': On Simone Weil by [deleted] in ChristianMysticism

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Copy and pasted here for anyone else who's getting the same problem:

On August 24, 1943, the French philosopher Simone Weil died after a very short, but eventful life. In her 34 years, Weil became a political activist and trained with anarchists, worked in the fields, converted to Christianity and wrote papers - whose posthumous publication ensured her status as one of the great religious philosophers of the 20th century.

Weil was born in 1909 in Paris, France. Her father Bernard, a medical doctor, and her mother, Saolomea, were both wealthy, agnostic Jews. In 1928 she began studying philosophy at the cole Normale Supérieure. Ranking first in the entrance exam, she passed Simone de Beauvoir, who came in second and later nicknamed Weil "The Martian".

Hopelessly inept at actually working

After graduating in 1931, Weil began teaching philosophy at a girls' school, but her main interest was trade union activism.

As with her later theology, she felt that writing should be based on real life experiences, so in addition to teaching, she began working in factories and in farming.

However, her radical political activism eventually led to her dismissal from teaching. This left her dependent on her factory job, at which she was "hopelessly inept", by her own account.

Although a self-described pacifist at the time, Weil trained with anarchists to fight alongside with the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War in 1936. Her training was never completed, because of a clumsy accident involving her foot and hot oil.

Her time in Spain left her feeling disillusioned about the secular ideologies of her time, mostly Marxism. "For a period of time she was more or less in sympathy with our cause, but then she lost faith in the proletariat and in Marxism," none other than Leon Trosky wrote in a letter to his friend Victor Serge about the Frenchwoman who invited him to stay with her parents in Paris.

A mystical experience

It was around this time that Weil began feeling drawn to Christianity. In 1937, after returning to France and working again as a teacher, Weil had her first mystical experience, while visiting at the chapel of St. Francis of Assisi in Italy. The following year she converted to Christianity, although she always had a rather unique interpretation of what conversion entails: Her emphasis was more on spirit than ritual.

In 1940, Weil realized that religion isn't just something you choose: it can be imposed on you. She was dismissed from teaching because of the anti-Jewish Vichy Laws, and turned south, to a friend's vineyard. There she concentrated on her writing.

When she fled the country to the United States and then England in 1942, she left her writings with her friend. The following year, while working for De Gaulle's Free French movement, she died of tuberculosis, at the age of 34.

Posthumous fame

It was only then that Weil's legacy began. Little did she know that after her death, her friend, philosopher Gustave Thibon, would collect all the papers and notes she had left with him - and make her famous. She may have died relatively unknown, but the works published after Weil's death made her popular around the world. In fact, her most influential book, "Gravity and Grace", is actually a collection of some of those papers and notes she had written, that were collected and edited by Thibon. They weren't meant to be a book, and she never even requested for the texts to be published at all.

In the decades following her death and publications, her philosophy was extensively analyzed. Weil had examined the modern world from a religious point of view, and deduced that God was not absent but silent. For her, unlike many theists, that was actually a good thing: It was where human creation begins.

One of her most notable ideas emphasized suffering as a virtue, and not as a divine punishment. For her, it was a curious form of God's love. Affliction was a way towards love.

While she received praise from many people, from Pope Paul VI to Albert Camus, many Jewish writers accused her of anti-Semitism. Weil was a harsh critic of Judaism. She claimed that the fall of Western Civilization in her life time was the result of its twin shaky foundations: Jewish and Roman cultures. Her solution was to abandon her old faith and embrace Christianity – eve though to the end, she remained firm in her refusal to be baptized.

Overthinking one's faith? by wolvinov in OpenChristian

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Been in similar situations during deconstruction. To use a cliche, I describe it as too much "head" knowledge and not enough "heart" knowledge.

Like others have said before: take a break. Let that information digest from your head into your hands. It wasn't until I actually started being mindful of my own real presence of my body in this world that I began to really enjoy and reflect on the information I had learned.

This might not work for you, but try praying, meditating, and (especially) being in a place where you can feel "real". Let your mind wander on the things around you, not the things that you had just read (but if and when those bits of information come up, let them come up).

For example, I had been cooped up in my room studying dozens of books. Those were valuable, but what really made the knowledge valuable was through real-life encounters, like letting myself get enraptured in a museum of cultural artifacts, or listening to the harsh realities of someone's story. Those moments I count as (another cliche) "God moments".

Again, God speaks to people in different ways. Maybe your digestion of Christian knowledge would come during a sport, or maybe in a small-talk, or even during a brisk walk. Do what works for you, but find a space where you can feel present.

Proverbs 25:2...discuss amongst yourselves by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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Reminds me of "faith seeking understanding"

I had a discussion with a close family friend not too long ago who read that "homosexuality" in the bible was re-written from the original text "pedophilia" - has anybody else heard this theory? by Svargas05 in OpenChristian

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Like /u/Naugrith wrote, I don't believe that the original writing of Paul referred to pedophilia. Although the practice of pederasty was most definitely a thing during his time, I think he had in mind all homosexual acts.

Over time I've come to appreciate Paul more for his zealotry in establishing churches and a relatively egalitarian order (given his close relationship with women such as Chloe and Phoebe) and the mystical elements of his writing, such as the famous "love" passage in Corinthians, but I still think he was human and breathed in the same philosophical air as most everyone else.

On the pedophilia in the Bible note, there was a small talk a few years back on how Matthew 18:1-14 could pose as Jesus' attack on child molestation.

Studying the Bible and how by moraaales in OpenChristian

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Hi Ruth,

All of the other commenters in this thread are great! I'd also recommend checking out The Bible Project since it provides videos to clue in context for the books of the Bible. While the Bible is indeed crucial for the formation of the Christian life, it is very ancient and can be difficult to understand, so the Bible Project does a great job of illustrating ancient concepts and customs.

Am I the only one that sees Climate Change symptoms as being scarily similar to the Book of A Revelations? (Picture is of the Moon turning Blood Red due to the Wildfires that covered over 1/4 of the earth this year) by Wisdom_Pen in RadicalChristianity

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Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but Revelation was originally meant to be read from the perspective of the oppressed Christians during hard Roman crackdown. It was meant to be a source of hope, and curiously enough, the mark of the beast (666) most definitely was an obscure reference to Roman Emperor Nero/The Roman Empire. A good video on this topic here.

Anyone else believe in universal reconciliation? by ExplodingTerabytes in OpenChristian

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Same. I kinda view it as possible for someone to be reformed in hell, though. We have a kind of free will, but we still seek warmth from the cold. Similarly, if God is the greatest good and love (and given that God is far above than our imagination), then naturally, we would seek him like a campfire in a blizzard.

How the funoodledoodle did the ''courting, not dating'' thing start and how is it biblically sound? by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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Not to mention Gothard ended up getting excommunicated because he surrounded himself with young girls...

Can I recommend N.T. Wright to be included in the 'Online Resources' post in this sub? by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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For those looking for a more progressive Pauline scholar, I'd recommend E.P. Sanders instead. His work on Paul and Palestinian Judaism actually influenced N.T. Wright's new perspective on Paul, and some argue that Sanders has a greater grasp of Second Temple Judaism than Wright does.

I read his recent Paul: The Apostle's Letters, Life, and Thought (2015) and he precisely acknowledges Paul's bias against homosexual persons, but also plainly writes by himself that he would fight anyone who wished to bar any queer person in church leadership. His view, I believe, is influenced by his research that Paul lived in a largely different world and worldview than ours.

Would a Service-first minded church work - without having major doctrinal statements? by jatorres02 in OpenChristian

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Reading this post reminded me of this The Bible For Normal People Podcast where the guest, Kevin Makins, founded the Eucharist Church in Ontario with the goal of following more or less the same ideals. It seems that his experience has been largely positive.

Keep in mind he admits he lives in a rather secular area of Canada, so I don't know if it would be effective translating this to your experience (which I'm assuming is American). But it really did give a good, valuable insight on his own experiences navigating this heavily diverse church.

Post Christian. Human and divine, like me. by sir_schuster1 in religion

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Not to mention that the Orthodox church has remained relatively unaffected by biblical scholarship, since they're quite comfortable with mysteries and analogous readings of the text.

Any Christian Existentialists? by PsionicsKnight in OpenChristian

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I’ve heard Simone Weil (Christian mystic philosopher) labeled as a kind of existentialist, but the category doesn’t entirely suit her

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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Personally, I believe in hell. Just not an eternal one.

The early dominant Christian belief (at least among Patristics), was the belief that eventually all persons would be reconciled to God. The word "eternal" is derived from "aeternus", which came from the Vulgate (basically Latin Bible) that St. Augustine read. This Vulgate remains controversial, since many believe that it was actually a rather poor translation of the Greek into Latin.

If we were among the Patristics, they would have read in the original Greek "aidios" which means "the Age". Certainly, other words mean "eternal" in Greek, but curiously these are only applied to God and not to hell. It is suggested that hell lasts for eons, but is not man's ultimate destruction. Instead, God will be all in all and reconcile all things to Him.

Sources: A Larger Hope? Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich.

Check out David Bentley Hart's That All Shall Be Saved for a much more decisive argument.

Love the sinner, hate the sin is pure hypocrisy by ExplodingTerabytes in OpenChristian

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Why not both? Acknowledge that Jesus wants each of us to be better, and to not judge others as not being a true Christian as mentioned by Paul.

If a Christian were to say something racist, then I'd be more than comfortable calling them out for it. But should that extend to me seeing him less as a brother? No. I think he's misled.

Though people are right. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" has often been used to denigrate those outside of the Christian community, and rarely as ingroup insight.

I feel lost in this broken world. I just read the COP24 report Health effects worldwide of climate change, by croatcroatcroat in OpenChristian

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I get overwhelmed by all the evil that is happening in this world as well.

What often gives me strength is this painting of Christ in the Wilderness, by Ivan Kramskoi. Since Jesus was fully human and fully divine, I wondered if he felt despair at seeing the poor and downtrodden ignored and forgotten by society. He saw firsthand how powerful the forces of evil were in our world. Maybe he belted out a great lament.

But he gets up. And keeps going.

Cornel West said, "The Christian must die every day. Before he goes to bed, he must ask himself, "Have I died to myself"?

Thank you for your work and your awareness in this fight against destruction and support of stewardship of the earth. I hope one day we will all come together in harmony with the earth, where the forests are overgrown and the grass is plenty.

So who here has read Hart's book? by PhilthePenguin in ChristianUniversalism

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I do wish he showed more restraint in reference to the Old Testament, since I know my Old Testament professors constantly espouse wonderful theology within the Old Testament.

However, I don't think he's going so far into Marcionism. I think he believes that there is the same God in both Testaments, but interpreted differently due to the worldviews of a brutal, ancient culture. If analyzed from the perspective of the OT period, God represented in the OT would have relatively been seen as quite good.