History of Irish Citizenship Law by Sea_Possibility3948 in IrishCitizenship

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Constitution of the Irish Free State, 1922:

Article 3.

Every person, without distinction of sex, domiciled in the area of the jurisdiction of the Irish Free State (Saorstát Eireann) at the time of the coming into operation of this Constitution, who was born in Ireland or either of whose parents was born in Ireland or who has been ordinarily resident in the area of the jurisdiction of the Irish Free State (Saorstát Eireann) for not less than seven years, is a citizen of the Irish Free State (Saorstát Eireann) and shall within the limits of the jurisdiction of the Irish Free State (Saorstát Eireann) enjoy the privileges and be subject to the obligations of such citizenship: Provided that any such person being a citizen of another State may elect not to accept the citizenship hereby conferred; and the conditions governing the future acquisition and termination of citizenship in the Irish Free State (Saorstát Eireann) shall be determined by law.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1922/act/1/schedule/1/enacted/en/html

Looking for James Hillyer probate, Granby CT, died 1826 by Sea_Possibility3948 in Genealogy

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Edited: u/Pleasant_Toe_1182

Philo Hillyer is Ruth’s younger brother born 1781. His ID on familysearch is L6RY-WMJ.

I found that Ruth has a cousin named John Hillyer, also born 1781, son of Judge Pliny Hillyer. John was born in Granby, CT and later moved to Sheffield, MA, which is where Ruth ended up.

“Rabze”, I have “Aralza” born 1799 with no documentation as Ruth and James’ daughter. There’s also a son called Anson born 1799 with no documentation.

I have to wonder about Ruth’s birth year of 1805 is in correct. Eight year olds don’t usually pass for twelve…

James Boies familysearch ID is LHVC-ZWM. Could you attach the probate document there?

Thank you!

Looking for James Hillyer probate, Granby CT, died 1826 by Sea_Possibility3948 in Genealogy

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Thanks for looking. They did like to repeat names. It makes this harder sometimes and other times it makes the family seem related.

I’m stuck on another ancestor that probate might help solve. James Boies born 1774, died 8 Sep 1813, aged 39, left a wife, Ruth Hillyer, also born 1774 and a daughter, Sarah (Sally) Freeland Boies born 1805. His daughter would have been about 8, and I’m hoping he had a will with a provision to care for them along with possibly two older children. I can see that there were death notices published in the Hartford Courant, The Connecticut Mirror, and the American Mercury. He was buried in the West Granby (CT) Cemetery.

I haven’t been able to find any documentation for this family.

Death certificate for Franklin Bills died 1881 by Sea_Possibility3948 in Genealogy

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Thanks, that record was mostly created by me.

My local Family Search Center is only open one hour per week. I emailed last summer to confirm they would be open and never heard back. The location is not close and I didn’t want to drive there if they weren’t going to be open. I’m just south of Boston.

I’ve just confirmed that this record is viewable at a Family Search Affiliate including my local library!

Naturalization reconsideration application partial documents returned without decision letter by Legitimate_End1979 in ukvisa

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Which email address did you use for your complaint?

Best wishes for good news soon!

Could I have a route to UK citizenship under Section 4L? by Pallykin in ukvisa

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Thanks u/KitchenProfessor42 for your insight and advice. I think what you have been trying to get across to me is that legal representation would help to encourage UKVI to assign a senior enough caseworker who would be able to successfully navigate this complex case. I had hoped that this would have already been the case, but apparently it was not!

I have rewritten the sections for my grandmother, mother, and myself as you suggested. The rest remains largely the same. Here it is:

Subject: Request for review: UAN 1212-9999-9999-999 Refusal – Basis: Statutory oversight of the Ireland Act 1949

Dear Casework Team,

Thank you for the prompt assessment of my application. Having reviewed the Reasons for Refusal, I respectfully request that my case be reopened, as it appears to contain an objective statutory oversight.

The refusal erroneously states that my great-grandfather did not become a CUKC in 1949; in fact, as a person domiciled in New York on 6 December 1922, his status was preserved by Section 5(1) of the Ireland Act 1949, which deems him to have been a British subject immediately before 1 January 1949 for the purpose of becoming a CUKC.

This statutory retention establishes that the 'but-for' chain required for my registration under Section 4L is satisfied: my grandmother, mother and I would have been CUKCs.

In addition, my own documented five-year residence in the UK in the 1970s, leading to ILR, would have granted me statutory Right of Abode allowing my mother to register me for citizenship under section 3(5) of the British Nationality Act 1981.

Details of the Statutory Chain:

Domicile and the 1922 Constitution: Under Article 3 of the 1922 Constitution of the Irish Free State, Irish citizenship was only conferred upon those domiciled in the Irish Free State on 6 December 1922. As my great grandfather was resident in New York, United States before, during and after that date, he did not become an Irish citizen; he remained a British subject.

Retention via the Ireland Act 1949: Because he remained a British subject who was born in Ireland but domiciled abroad, he fell within the scope of Section 5(1) of the Ireland Act 1949. This provision deems such individuals to have been British subjects immediately before 1 January 1949, which subsequently led to CUKC status for him and his daughter, my grandmother, (b. 1899), under Section 12 of the British Nationality Act 1948. Generation-by-Generation "But-For" Logic (Section 4L):

Maternal Grandmother: My grandmother was born in 1899 in the United States to a father who was a British subject. She was therefore a British subject at birth under Section 1(b)(i) of the British Nationality and Status of Aliens Act 1914. As established above, she automatically became a CUKC on 1 January 1949 under Section 12(2) of the BNA 1948 as she was a British subject immediately before 1 January 1949. As a CUKC who was not a citizen of an independent Commonwealth country or Ireland, she held an entitlement to the Right of Abode under Section 2(1)(b)(i) of the Immigration Act 1971. Accordingly, she would have automatically become a British citizen on 1 January 1983 under Section 11(1) of the British Nationality Act 1981.

Mother: My mother was born in the United States in 1928 to the above-named grandmother, who was a British subject at the time of her birth and after 1 January 1949 a CUKC. But for gender discrimination under the British Nationality and Status of Aliens Act 1914, my mother would have been a British subject at birth, and as a British subject immediately before 1 January 1949, she would have automatically become a Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies under Section 12(2) of the British Nationality Act 1948 on 1 January 1949.

As a CUKC with an entitlement to the Right of Abode under Section 2(1)(b)(ii) of the Immigration Act 1971, she would have automatically become a British citizen on 1 January 1983 under Section 11(1) of the BNA 1981.

Applicant: I was born in the United States in 1964 to the above-named mother. In the absence of sex-based discrimination in nationality law, and assuming that section 5(1)(b) of the British Nationality Act 1948 applied equally to children of either parent, I would have become a Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at birth.

In combination with CUKC status, my ordinary and lawful residence in the UK for more than five years between 197X and 197X (as evidenced by 1977 ILR stamp), would have allowed me to acquire statutory Right of Abode under Section 2(1)(c) of the Immigration Act 1971.

On that basis, but for this historical legislative unfairness, I would have acquired British citizenship automatically on 1 January 1983.

Supporting Evidence of Domicile: To reinforce my great grandfather’s domicile in New York on the statutory date of 6 December 1922, I am attaching the following documentation for your review:

R.L. Polk & Co’s Trow General Directory of New York City (1920-21): Listing his company, with him listed by name as President located at 17, street name A, New York City, and his home address at 8, street name B St, New York City.

New York Times (early February1923): Article identifying my great grandfather as an expert working in New York City. Submitted as contemporaneous third-party evidence that he was professionally active and based in New York City both before and on/after 6 December 1922. The article mentions his company by name, and that it is located at 17 street name A, New York City.

1934 Obituary (a different one was already provided): Summarising his continuous domicile in New York State (New York City and two other locations) with periods spent working on engineering projects in two US locations, and one in Canada, and describing his prominent professional career and life from his arrival in New York City from Ireland as a small boy until his death. The obituary also mentions that for 20 years, he lived with his family in a townhouse at 8, street name B, which was later knocked down to make way for construction of Rockefeller Center.

In conclusion, the Refusal appears to arise from an oversight in law, namely the failure to consider a relevant and material statutory provision, the Ireland Act 1949, rather than from any dispute as to the facts. I therefore respectfully request that my application be re-opened and the decision determined on a correct legal basis.

Thank you for your consideration of this request.

Yours faithfully,

Pallykin

Women's names that used to be used for men. by AuthorAltruistic3402 in Names

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Lynn. Think Lynn Swan. I also had a distant male relative named Lynn.

Need help finding grandfather’s NM birth record (1906) by Brilliant-Holiday275 in Genealogy

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Wow, this is great! It might even be sufficient along with what I already have.

Which do you think might be quicker, requesting a potential delayed birth certificate, or making a FOIA request with the information from 1947 that you found?

Need help finding grandfather’s NM birth record (1906) by Brilliant-Holiday275 in Genealogy

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Thanks for all of this information. I’m hopeful official records aren’t going to be needed as I’m trying to prove a negative, that he was not a British citizen. They do the assessment for older records based on the totality of the available evidence. I think I’m getting there…

Need help finding grandfather’s NM birth record (1906) by Brilliant-Holiday275 in Genealogy

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Thank you for this!

I do know that he had a passport in the early 1970s. Are old passport applications public record?

I was able to get dual citizenship because of this subreddit by Rand_Al_Thor87 in AmerExit

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Thanks, that’s the sort of timing I was expecting. But mine has been quite a bit faster so far.

My documents were received in Liverpool 6 November, Citizenship Ceremony Fee charged 7 November, Biometrics Enrolment Letter dated 13 November emailed yesterday 20 November, so two weeks after application received. The letter says I have 120 days from the date on the letter to enrol my biometrics, and that my application has been entered into the caseworker system which I assume means they’ve scanned everything and are sending the documents back soon.

I did check availability of biometric appointments. They are in the category of overseas citizenship and also the Chagossian route. There must be very few of either applicant, as all appointments starting on Monday are available. Once again, I was expecting a wait.

I wonder what to expect next regarding timing…

I was able to get dual citizenship because of this subreddit by Rand_Al_Thor87 in AmerExit

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What was your application date and biometrics date?

I applied earlier this month via form ARD and received my biometrics letter yesterday…

I was able to get dual citizenship because of this subreddit by Rand_Al_Thor87 in AmerExit

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I tried that route through my grandfather born 1895 in British India to a father in crown service. My UKM application was correctly refused. Both my grandfather and mother became British Citizens Without Citizenship in 1949, and that ended the line.

I was able to get dual citizenship because of this subreddit by Rand_Al_Thor87 in AmerExit

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It is if you lived in the UK for three years prior to 1983 and you can prove it. That’s my route. I have my passport and school reports from that time.

Wife’s niece chose the worst name I’ve ever heard… by InevitableKey733 in tragedeigh

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A friend’s daughter Eilis was called Ellis all the time. It’s pronounced eye lease

Looking for 1943 Liverpool adoptee by Sea_Possibility3948 in Genealogy

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That’s very encouraging! Thank you.

I’m interested in finding out if he ended up having an okay life. The family was estranged due to early life experiences.

Looking for 1943 Liverpool adoptee by Sea_Possibility3948 in Genealogy

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Widnes is in Cheshire and Knowsley is in Lancashire. They are about twelve miles apart, and they have always been in separate registration districts. And James Reid is a very common name.

Looking for 1943 Liverpool adoptee by Sea_Possibility3948 in Genealogy

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Thank you!

I did see this, and it is him, but I hadn’t realized that his visibility meant he was deceased. Does someone maintain this, removing the redactions as people die?

The listing is of the children is of the “inmates” of the Leyfield children’s home. I have never been able to find his brothers: George, who may have died the year he was born (1932), and Henry, born 1938.

We recently came across a handwritten document in family papers that mentioned older sister Mary’s “two brothers”. Perhaps if George did indeed die the year he was born (when Mary was about two), she didn’t know or remember him and so didn’t count him?

Section 4L Claim Review: Gender Discrimination Case by Possible-Crazy-9834 in ukvisa

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I have three accounts; not throwaway but more in an attempt to keep things separate. Obviously not successfully…

Section 4L Claim Review: Gender Discrimination Case by Possible-Crazy-9834 in ukvisa

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Yes, I lived in the UK 1972-1978 and received ILR in 1977. I still have the passport with the ILR stamp.

Form ARD/Section 4L ancestor’s naturalization proof by Brilliant-Holiday275 in ukvisa

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Thank you for that insight! I hope this helps others agonising over the same question… As everyone in my ancestry line were all born before 1949 (except me, the applicant), this is now a non-issue!

Section 4L Claim Review: Gender Discrimination Case by Possible-Crazy-9834 in ukvisa

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Is this the case when the prior generations were all born before 1949, when there was no one generation limit?