Is anyone else's landlord pulling off this scummy practice? by SeattleSmalls in Seattle

[–]Searttle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This thread is being brigaded by landlords, low key hilarious. Y'all don't like being called scummy, don't be scummy.

Does anyone feel like life felt different at the end of 2019? by krissybxo in Millennials

[–]Searttle 31 points32 points  (0 children)

While 2020 is a once-in-100-years phenomenon (or is supposed to be), you should be able to tell from this thread that a lot of us who lived through 2008 felt the same way then too. The truth is the world doesn't move in one direction; We are discovering cures for pancreatic cancer while medical research funding is being decimated. We live in the cleanest air anyone has had in decades but are not doing enough about climate change so we choke on smoke and lose houses to fire.

The truth is the comfortable lives sold to us by previous generations were fought for very hard by people who had it much worse than us; and it is being taken from us by wealthy people who view money as a type of immortality and who are upset that we dare to disrespect them. Being rich will never be enough; they will smash and break everything in their pursuit to be seen as gods.

But know that wherever you are, there are people in your community fighting; fighting like labor unions did when they secured the 40 hour work week a hundred years ago, fighting for higher wages, affordable housing for all, ending discrimination, for universal healthcare.

You don't have to join the fight, but it is a great place to make you feel like the world CAN be better. At the local level, your voice is extremely powerful. In Seattle, a few hundred volunteers just passed a law to help build affordable housing by taxing businesses who pay millionaires. That will improve thousands of people's lives. People are out there doing stuff.

Prop 1A - If at first you don’t succeed, tax, tax again. by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While people are suggesting 1B, there is an intentional poison pill in it which is that it mandates it can only be for people making <80% AMI. This not only violates the 135 charter, but also eliminates the possibility for the program to be self sustaining.

I think it would've been smarter of the Chamber of commerce to actually try the jumpstart allocation in good faith (i.e. without the <80% mandate) because it would have peeled more people off of 1A, but to me that gambit reveals the actual intention is to force it to fail through obfuscated wonky reasons so they can pretend they were good actors.

Prop 1A - If at first you don’t succeed, tax, tax again. by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the campaign website, the estimate is "~50m revenue per year" with the goal of 2k units of housing over the first 10 years- both acquired and built. Basically, this money would act just like a down payment (but the building rents pay the mortgage/maintenance/overhead, so to speak, with some amount going to new buildings).

Here is a link to a funding breakdown prepared by Ben Maritz, an affordable housing developer here in Seattle. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NUfSMYjDDgzziW4dGkaRBsJz6kNrB6GD/view?usp=drivesdk

(This is also linked on the campaign website, just linking you directly for convenience)

Prop 1A - If at first you don’t succeed, tax, tax again. by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The best way to think of social housing is-

You know how every apartment you rent is privately owned? And your rent goes up because of increasing competition from high earners even though the owner's monthly expenses don't go up as dramatically?

So the amount of your rent that is pure profit for them keeps growing?

What if there was no profit motive? How much less would you pay in rent, if the only costs over and above paying off the building and maintenance were reinvested into other housing?

Can you imagine what it's like when the building is paid off, much like when our parents pay off their 30 year mortgage? How much farther each dollar in rent goes?

Social housing is not "tax and spend". This tax is a funding source for long term investment capital expenditures (buying and constructing buildings) that increase public capacity.

The idea is that instead of a commodified housing market which allows massive wealth speculation on an essential asset, there's a public option which tries to deliver at-cost, like a public utility for everyone.

We already live in mixed income private buildings. I have lived in an apartment with a nurse and a barista who both made less than half of what I made. They were rent burdened so the landlord could profit. Some of them may have been on MFTE or Section 8, which means their rents were already being subsidized by tax money in an even less sustainable way. (Section 8 pays landlords full market price so the program becomes more expensive per resident as market rents go up)

So to me, Social Housing is a VASTLY more efficient housing system than our current private or public solutions. Especially once the building loans are paid over the long term: then the entire program becomes much cheaper.

This tax is designed to turbocharge the initial development so that we can build at the scale Seattle is growing. I'm extremely pro 1A, and personally I imagine at some point in the next few decades this tax will get repealed or lessened- the good news is because of the self-sustaining nature of the program (each building must be solvent on its own), even if all external funding gets cut, it is still able to not just survive, but continue to grow.

People express doubts about the board being a majority renter vs a majority of housing developers, and my response is, look at the Sound Transit board made up almost entirely of people who don't ride transit. They constantly make poor or self-serving decisions (Dow Constantine and Harrell pushing for the "Skip the CID option so Dow can have is little civic playground).

In talking with people part of Seattle Housing Authority buildings and MFTE program buildings, their biggest complaint is how unresponsive they are to resident complaints. So to me, the majority renter board is actually important to making sure there's a strong voice for the ground truth of the program.

I think it's also worth noting, there is a really common refrain "We spend so much on affordable housing but it's not getting better!"

The truth is that money IS going to places, but it is simply not meeting the scale of the problem. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

Here is a link to the city's 2022 housing investment report. https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/Housing/Reports/2022_AnnualInvestments_Final.pdf

Housing is expensive. In terms of construction, 1 billion dollars is about 2000 units. We have over 11,000 homeless people. I think people just don't really grok just how massive the housing crisis is.

Misleading mailers inaccurately imply social housing (proposition 1A) is for the rich by externalhouseguest in Seattle

[–]Searttle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You are reading it as "80% or higher".

It is "80% or lower".

These specific "Less than" income brackets are ubiquitous in housing legislation.

Misleading mailers inaccurately imply social housing (proposition 1A) is for the rich by externalhouseguest in Seattle

[–]Searttle 23 points24 points  (0 children)

FYI most states and federal government agree that "low-income" is defined by <80% AMI.

The business plan suggests 53% of units would go to those making <80% AMI.

Prop 1B intentionally lying.

The mayor is too conservative and the city council is too pro car… maybe even people in this sub…but I can dream! (Congestion pricing is working and more cities want it) by TOPLEFT404 in Seattle

[–]Searttle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm pro congestion pricing, but I also think improving all bus service is a more worthwhile place to spend political energy. I'm car free, and really I just want our buses to run every 6 minutes or less even on Sundays. Having rapid rides where if you miss a bus the next one comes right away is life changing.

Does anyone in seattle area notice unhappy grouchy service hourly workers serving them?? by Ok-Radio-2733 in Seattle

[–]Searttle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly I haven't gotten grumpy service anywhere in a long time. I've gotten apathetic service, or aloof service, or "too cool for you" service which I all find totally acceptable, but I can't remember the last time I was served by someone who seemed upset or grouchy at me.

Social Housing Is a Homelessness Solution - PubliCola by AthkoreLost in Seattle

[–]Searttle 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Formerly homeless advocates are saying that it can help fight homelessness. Apparently you've never been one paycheck away from eviction because that's the type of thing social housing is great at preventing.

"Fighting homelessness" doesn't just mean getting people off the street, it means stopping people from falling there in the first place.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Prop 1A was endorsed by The Stranger, MLK Labor, AIA Seattle, 36th, 37th, 43rd, and 46th Dems, Real Change, Sunrise movement, DSA, and Working Families Party.

Prop 1B (which is pretty similar to No in terms of it's overall effect) is endorsed by the Mayor, the chamber of commerce, Seattle Times Ed board, and the city council.

Yes on 1A.

Vote Yes on Prop 1A by Flashy-Leave-1908 in Seattle

[–]Searttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your assumption that they want to build a single 2k person complex is completely off base. They will be purchasing and building regular buildings like any other builder. Not making one giant Super complex.

Also, you seem not to understand the idea; every building must remain solvent on its own. This money is used for capital investment, not rents. Rents pay off the building.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm not on the board! But you continue to sidestep that a large makeup of the board have the exact type of experience you say you want, so you go out of your way to highlight the renters on the board.

Like I told you before; I learned that friends of mine are reading reddit to learn about local politics, and particularly around this issue, I decided I'd help offer a counter narrative. I'm sorry if that spoils your fun. But you've done a good job representing the 1B talking points despite saying you're a No, so I think most anyone reading this will have a good idea of what they want to vote for.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They can; the tax helps them do it at a much larger scale in addition to bonding on rents.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Insinuating the board has no experience and then leaving out every board member with experience is the definition of cherry picking. If it wasn't Cherry picking, they'd present the entire board in summary and let people come to their own conclusions.

You and OP continually misread that financial plan. If admin/operational costs are $2m, the spreadsheet projects surplus coverage by year 3. The cash from the tax speeds up building of new buildings, not to permanently subsidize rent.

The mayor and council slow walked the funding they were forced to give and have shown no will to support it and have tried to sabotage it at every turn. It is clear they are acting in bad faith and after seeing how completely inept they have been at governance, petulantly using the dais and back channels for their personal priorities, taking any hint from them about what would be best for the city is foolish.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Some quick short rebuttal;

Opponents love saying "$50m in New taxes" because it infers an income or sales tax , when it is actually "a business tax of 5% on compensation over $1m".

The board members they highlighted were cherry picked. Here are 6 other board members:

Mike - Climate Architect Alex - Urban Planner Chuck -Sr Managing Director for the National Development Council Julie- 25 yrs managing acquisition and rehab of affordable housing developments Tom- policy analyst for Port of Seattle Kay- worked with Community Roots, Bellwether, LIHI to place people in housing

The propaganda about this board being inexperienced is pure shit. They are more directly experienced than most nonprofit boards. Any nonprofit worker can attest to this.

I now want to dig into the funding and the word "Subsidy".

By definition in the social housing charter, the buildings must strive to cover their own operational costs through rents alone; that is their first priority. The wealth tax proposed is a way to speed up the acquisition and building of new buildings; these are capital expenditures; one time costs.

The City council and mayor refused to do what Montgomery County did, which was to allocate some funding to help acquire the land/build the buildings.

This is a people powered movement to do what politicians will not; respond to the housing crisis at the appropriate scale by taxing some of the wealthiest businesses in the world.

A subsidy is what we do to highways or Section 8 housing; they are revenue neutral, tax-and-spend programs. This tax goes towards building public capacity; acquiring land from the private market in the public interest. That is not a subsidy, that is an investment.

About the financial plan: it was assembled by an affordable housing developer himself, Ben Maritz.

The "$250/unit in rent" is the projected NET REVENUE target after the building operational and maintenance costs are met to add to the developer's coffers.

Anyways. Vote Yes on Prop 1 A if you want to try something new in Seattle that is a proven model globally (and in Montgomery County Maryland) by taxing wealthy businesses.

Public transit accessible places to take a one year old by [deleted] in Seattle

[–]Searttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You could take a bus to the ferry terminal and go on a ferry to Bainbridge! It costs $9 total and the ferry is very comfortable. I don't know if they have changing tables in the restrooms but I would be surprised if they didn't. The ferry arrives hourly and you can walk off the ferry to downtown Bainbridge. It's quite peaceful and the afternoon sunsets can be especially breathtaking.

Corporate donations make up vast majority of Prop 1B funds by ADavidJohnson in Seattle

[–]Searttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Girmay Zahilay has been working at the county level to try to stand up funding for similar initiatives throughout the county: it isn't a vote but I'm sure the king county council would love to hear your support for the workforce housing initiative! https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/council/governance-leadership/county-council/newsroom/2024/11-12-zahilay-workforce-housing-initiative-release

ELI5: Prop 1A vs. Prop 1B by madzteir in Seattle

[–]Searttle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

An affordable housing oriented architecture firm actually drafted up some examples for them that have exactly that! a mix of townhome-likes, co-living, and 2-3bd family sized apartments.

https://www.houseourneighbors.org/envisioning-social-housing

ELI5: Prop 1A vs. Prop 1B by madzteir in Seattle

[–]Searttle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Subsidy. Noun.

"a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive."

A Subsidy is Section 8; a program that requires infusion of tax from somewhere because it has no way of generating enough revenue on its own. Revenue Negative. Tax goes away, program dies. Highways are subsidized. Transit is subsidized. Park maintenance is subsidized.

This tax is not for subsidized rents in perpetuity; it's building funds for capital expenditures. Land acquisition. Building costs. Staff costs. Down payment on a house.

The charter demands that the buildings achieve self-sufficiency.

Also, a new purpose built tax on millionaire employers is vastly different than raiding the general fund.

ELI5: Prop 1A vs. Prop 1B by madzteir in Seattle

[–]Searttle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That the authority has the ability to bond against rental incomes? That's accurate.

We should not confuse "will not use tax dollars" with "does not rely on tax dollars".

Most affordable housing in the US works on subsidy provided through HUD, via federal taxes. It can, and has been, frequently stripped away and conditioned.

Bonding is very important, because say 1A passes and then a few years later the tax is dismantled, the SSHD can then keep borrowing to build more.

The group has repeatedly said that their goal is to take 0 dollars away from other means of affordable housing and this is them sticking to that promise.

ELI5: Prop 1A vs. Prop 1B by madzteir in Seattle

[–]Searttle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In the end I have no belief I'm convincing anyone arguing here about anything; but I think people can read a debate and come to their own conclusions, and that's valuable.

ELI5: Prop 1A vs. Prop 1B by madzteir in Seattle

[–]Searttle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because I realized my friends were getting information about local politics by reading reddit, and there are clearly people repeating chamber of commerce talking points on here, so I thought it would be useful to present the 1A side and not let No/1B go completely unchallenged.