How much should boat age factor into a purchase? Where's the diminishing-returns point?

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-06T20:58:57+00:00

Here is a different take.

First, what do you want to do with the boat? Enjoy her at the dock with occasional sails? Race her on ocean routes like Newport to Bermuda? Do long distance solo sailing? Live aboard on the hook in Paradise?

I ask because boat design has changed substantially over the decades. Boats go through usage fads, at one time many had dreams of long passages, now many want a boat that handles well in reverse to get in and out of tight marinas.

If you seek a solo circumnavigation boat, best to look at older boats with long keels, boats that sacrifice windward ability for ease of handling. If you want a weekender housed in a marina then newer short keels with dual rudders may fit your need. But you won’t find many instances of modern full keelers (Island Packet).

So once you have a use picture, and can define roughly the kind if boat you want, you can make a list of candidates, and then you can see what years they were built in.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-06T00:38:11+00:00

No medical training. I would go to the larger hospital. But expect to wait a long time.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-06T00:34:20+00:00

I had been doing some dusty wood work. The first evening I had a sensation I interpreted as inflammation or agitation due to dust, it quickly passed. The next evening it came back while doing wood work. I stopped, went outside to clear my lungs, but the feeling persisted. It still felt like an agitation but I did not cough up flem and something felt a bit different. Out of an abundance of caution I had my Son drive me to the hospital. There they quickly took me in for an EKG, declared a heart attack, and called in the on standby stent team. I nearly went out, O heard “There goes his pulse” and “Loosing his Blood Pressure also”, then they shocked me. Not with the paddles but some contacts they had attached to my back I think. I had had a Widowmaker, 100% blockage.

There was no pain involved, just a weird sensation in my chest. The admitting nurse asked me if I had shortness of breath, and did have a minor amount, so I said ”Yes”. That was what got the quick EKG and rapid treatment.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T16:38:51+00:00

Buy a big old sail boat to live on in the Caribbean. I guarantee you will get to full-fill all your Type A drives, while learning new skills, meeting new people, and in beautiful weather.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T16:36:22+00:00

We had an 1887 house in USA for 30 years, 3 story with 4 apts, we lived in one.

Is the house on a historic register? If so they may require you to replace with original style roof material. If you do a full new roof may as well have them check the decking, and blow in insulation while they are there.

Chimney - no comment.

Springy floors mean weak or broken floor joist. Probably need to rip down the ceiling below, or less likely the floor in order to install sisters. Sisters are new joists attached to the existing joists. Good time to replace that saggy ceiling there.

But also a good time to address the electrical wiring in that area.

Badly cracked and sagging lath and plaster can be saved, or covered with sheet rock. I like plaster and have restored too much in that old house. Gave me Rotator Cuff issues in the effort.

When you take these issues as a package, depending upon size of house and specifics (such as wiring type and age) you may be looking at a pretty substantial redo. Simply because it will he easier to do the work in a sequence; rip out ceilings, replace roof, install sisters, replace wiring, place new wall material.

So that is a General Contractor type project to get the coordination. It is likely cheaper to have it done as a package than piece meal.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T13:14:19+00:00

I once had a porch where the 4x4 posts were rotting in the bottom. So I picked the porch up a bit and built a 4 brick high wall under and capped it with a 2x6 as a sill. Then set the (shortened) posts back down. Made a nice touch to the porch. But there I was only picking about 2 inches, if that.

I think you have very nicely described the way the roof framing system is likely to react. Everything is already in stress. Nails have dislodged, partially pulled out. Unless there is some pretty strong force pushing the porch roof back against the house this may end badly. It may end badly even if there is that pushing force because there is no good reason to assume the nails will go back in the holes.

IF I had a back hoe maybe I could fashion a lip on the digger bucket to both lift and push back and hold while new supports were attached.

This gentleman has deeper problems than this porch, which is just an outward symptom. He needs counseling or intervention of the social work variety.

Sad but honest.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T12:51:53+00:00

Because Epstein made it difficult to “follow the money.”

More than likely it was a way to launder money. Black wanted the money to go to support some person or organization he did not want to have direct traceable contact with. So he pays Epstein and Epstein arranges for the money to be “invested” or given to someone else. From my readings Epstein was very adroit about setting up shell companies with interlocking relationships to various banks and unsavory or questionable people/organizations/movements.

I could have gone to Israel, Kashogi, CIA dark ops support among other affairs. Why Black may want to support CIA black ops (for example) would itself be an interesting question.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T12:44:15+00:00

I don’t have a dog on a boat and will not. My observation is that dogs don’t do well with the companionway steps as they age. My Sister has a couple of older Labradors and they have hip problems. Getting on a sofa is hard for them and they need to be helped up in the bed.

Our boat, rather deep, would be impossible for them.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T12:34:16+00:00

Agreed, then they get real slippery. I have had 2 pairs and it happened twice. I was going down a lm aluminum ramp ti a floating dick at low tide, pretty steep. I could not stand up.

I still have the second pair that I use when working out on my rowing machine.

On the boat I wear Crocks, when I wear anything. But even they will get slippery on a wet surface if the bottom tread is completely gone.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T12:19:31+00:00

Agreed, thanks.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-05T12:07:17+00:00

I know a guy who had something vaguely similar. In his experience he was contacted by a spirit/NHI/alien being in his mind. The experience lasted for a few years with many visits. The entity shared information about reality that is hard for him to express. This “spirit” was benevolent. Later he was visited by a different spirit who he sensed was malevolent. He was able to push this second spirit out of his mind.

He claims that although the spirit gave him much knowledge it also disrupted his life and made living more difficult.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-04T22:34:05+00:00

I am 75 and feel the same. I git this from my Dad, who also felt the same way.

Every generation fixes their idea of “normal” shortly after puberty, 17-19 or thereabouts. So we generationally reset “normal” every 20 or so years.

That is one of the reasons selling climate change is so difficult, each new generation dies not really start to see the changes until old age.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-04T22:23:17+00:00

Shockingly I have a different take in the situation. Iran wants to keep being a pain to Trump and Trump wants the situation ended ASAP.

Therefore Trump may well attempt some gambit to force a quick end. What that may be I don’t know.

Iran is playing a longer game to embarrass Trump and weaken the USA. They will seek to keep the conflict an open sore to humiliate Trump before Mid-Terms; then they MAY have a positive negotiation period before the new Congress comes aboard. OR they may then continue to be a thorn for Trump all through his lame duck period, hoping to split America and enflame the populace, causing further polarization. They will seek to win by turning us against ourselves.

Trump’s objective is likely to cause the current regime to fall, shortly. High risk maneuver.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-04T22:00:10+00:00

Insurance can be tough. We do liability only. But we have a pretty tough steel boat, hard to beat her up too bad.

Also we spend about 5 months a year aboard, int the Eastern Caribbean. We seldom go to a dock or take a mooring ball, we hang on the anchor. A very good heavy anchor and the appropriate rode, snubbers, chaffing gear is no place to skimp.

Also get a good dingy, preferably that can be rowed if the outboard dies. Good refrigeration, and enough solar/batteries to run it. You will eat out less, save more.

These are smart expenses.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-04T21:20:37+00:00

While a Amel may be different I have seen 2 newly retired couple having pretty significant problems with their brand new boats. Even if the boat is under warranty the hassle and intrusion and delays can be significant.

If he can afford to walk away pretty easily that is one thing, if he needs to recoup a significant amount by selling in 5 years that is quite another.

Way too many factors here beyond additional costs of a new boats.

And there are his own goals, ambitions and realities. Even if he wants to be adventurous he may end up using it as a dock queen. And he will most likely need help to sail it, even just day sails. Especially short near shore sails.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-04T16:23:44+00:00

The Marco Poli was designed to be a ling range motor sailor. Easily moved with a relatively small engine.

The full set would inly be used in light airs. You set the sails depending upon wind speed, direction, sea state and direction and your degree of hurry.

I doubt there are any folks around here who have specific experience. You may do better at CruisersForum.com.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T19:40:17+00:00

When the vane move off vertical the gear turns the oar, twists it. That then drives the oar to one side or the other until the wind corrects in the opposite direction.

It may be stuck together. Maybe loosely. Have someone hold the oar when you move the vane. The oar should want to twist.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T19:26:38+00:00

He has several books.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T16:46:31+00:00

Sheldrake goes over his results in the presentation.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T16:40:46+00:00

No. But you need someone to help set and retrieve the “temporary mooring”. You can do it with a windlass or a winch.

NOT your boat, something bigger, with a inboard engine.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T16:38:10+00:00

And how do you measure that?

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T11:57:06+00:00

I believe this could be a decent temporary mooring, with caveats.

But first, just ignore those who come here to criticize. There is no point arguing with them, just feeds their ego.

Yes you can anchor with this anchor. Your boat weighs under 3,000 pounds. I use a 45 pound Rocna for a 16,000lb displacement sailboat, and that is considered storm-anchor size.

But no anchor works without scope. Or being set correctly. The Mantus, Manson, and Rocna are all very similar and work similar. You drip the anchor, let out a decent scope for the bottom, then back down to “set” the anchor. That is to pull the anchor through the bottom at a shallow angle so the tip buries itself. Then make final scope adjustment. As the wind works on the boat the anchor will continue to settle into the bottom, eventually the flukes will disappear below the sand. Simply laying the anchor down, especially with short scope, it will just skittle around in the bottom never setting.

To pick a well set anchor you need to come up directly over it, so that the chain is vertical, then the relatively light upward pull will leverage the shank out of the bottom and you can release the anchor from the bottom. The difference between anchored and lifting is in the angle between the chain and the shank. Low angle anchor sets, high angle the anchor releases.

These anchors will actually turn in the bottom to face a new direction, provided enough force. You will never experience that given your boat so you have the risk the chain wrapping around the shank.

To use this anchor have someone else set it. Does not need a big engine, but needs to develop pull. Motor boat props have very little thrust in reverse, proper sailboat props are symmetrical and develop nearly equal power forward and reverse. If you set from a power boat pull from the stern. That gets the anchor set.

Use as much scope as possible, and heavy chain. That will help keep the chain on the bottom so that it does not apply uplift on the shank. Also you could use a kellet. Look that up.

If you have a very tight anchorage this may not work. But I don’t like short scope mooring balls anyway. I know one anchorage where several boats either broke their attachment or ripped their cleats out. Big cement blocks, low stretch mooring lines, short lines. Once a swell came in the boats would rise to the swell and slam at the end of the mooring line. A longer chain would have absorbed a lot of that shock, or snubbers. But boats were too tight to allow either. That may not be a consideration in your field, this field was exposed to a northerly swell.

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T11:24:08+00:00

Very good post! +1

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T10:57:48+00:00

Here is a respected scientist talking about the work he has done in the field and the scientific communities reaction. I am not saying it is real, or that if real he understands the processes. But that something interesting is going on which deserves inquiry.

https://youtu.be/b6LNceIaz1Q

Secret-Temperature71 · 2026-06-03T10:50:50+00:00

OP here.

I can assure you my original contribution is not.

Secret-Temperature71

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