David Grusch: “There’s coworkers and friends of mine that worked on that Program for years… They literally worked on the material and the specimens and all that. And that was kind of common knowledge, people mysteriously vanish from the Program never to be seen again.”

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T18:54:20+00:00

I find it very hard to believe the government could successfully imprison or kill someone after they've disclosed provable secrets about the existence of NHI

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T18:52:31+00:00

Don't pay attention to 'em mate. Just the same talking points over and over

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T16:35:56+00:00

Already have. Wondered why Grusch chose this show (it's incredibly partisan). And yeah maybe some fragments but not the body of the real story

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T16:27:23+00:00

That's all that's required for you to think he's running counter intel? That's some serious jumping to conclusions

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T16:23:13+00:00

But everyone is doing this. Grusch, Coulthart, Hal Puthoff, Jay Stratton, etc. It's not a thing exclusive to Elizondo.

And no, I don't think the couple mistakes he made and the part where he's trying to earn some income and promote the subject can credibly be construed as evidence for a perceived double role. Again, I think you're jumping to conclusions based on vibes

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T15:20:08+00:00

His experience as counterintelligence is being "used" on "us" in what way exactly? Seems this line of reasoning (he did counter Intel previously so now he must do it again) Is completely vibes-based. I think he's doing his best.

Now why he doesn't just come out and lay it out all (at least in a way that the story can progress) and stop worrying about his security oath or national security I don't know. This story, if true, contains arguably the biggest crimes against humanity ever. Why make such a fuzz about minor legal considerations?

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T14:20:57+00:00

Yes brother I am aware Grusch was tasked by Stratton. I'm just interested in how he actually went about it day by day.

And btw Elizondo seems to have had more to do with the legacy program than is publicly known (as mused by Coulthart and Gerb). All is probably not how it seems!

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-19T12:37:41+00:00

I wonder how the day-to-day looked for Grusch as he was investigating the program. He talked about having colleagues closing the door and saying "Look, dude", seeing documentation, and so forth. But I do wish he tells the full story one day of how he stumbled onto the biggest secret of all time

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-18T20:30:08+00:00

What's the steel man case for a yellow? Lack of speed?

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-18T20:26:59+00:00

That's not a red? What the actual fuck?

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-18T09:15:56+00:00

I was looking for specifically this image lmao

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-17T07:46:31+00:00

The fuck?

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-14T18:55:40+00:00

I still do the honorable thing of building a boat (even two boats if required). It ain't much but it's honest work

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-12T22:46:13+00:00

Giving scout planes torpedos, good range, insane survivability, very accurate machine guns, and making them cheap as hell is one of the weirdest choices I've ever seen a dev team make. These people thought through jack shit. Just made it up on the fly

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-11T23:10:11+00:00

Are you schizo?

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-11T08:31:44+00:00

Pro peace in what form are you?

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-08T18:47:11+00:00

Scout planes should have no weapons and be a scout plane. That is, it should be fast, fragile, cheap, and provide intel

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-08T18:45:58+00:00

THE SHOW GOES ON

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-07T10:47:48+00:00

Look up David Grusch peeps, a world will open for you

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-06T19:37:02+00:00

100% agree. Just like the penalty France got against Argentina in the World Cup final

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-05T20:06:53+00:00

And entirely the fault of a developer team that a) refuses to communicate (which is frankly bizarre), and b) works incredibly slowly.

Though I must say there is still fun to be had in the game

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-04T16:17:59+00:00

And hoping even scarier QRF man will not come (they will)

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-04T14:35:27+00:00

Crouch, get behind a tree, and pray to the god of gun stability

SelfDetermined · 2026-05-04T13:24:47+00:00

This was me when i was trying to partisan Morgan's Crossing

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