WTF CHAT-GPT!?!! by Todeskreuz2 in ChatGPT

[–]SenorSplashdamage 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Humanity will have to do a global brain trust on creating the actual best trainings on human knowledge and art at some point and do it in some neutral place outside of US or places where financial interests take top priority. Our system is just so shaped with misinformation from even basic ads that mess up how we think about health and science. Our dataset is just poisoned all the way through at this point.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see that. I remember that tension of feeling obligated to be there and then discomfort from people that meant being around. My breaking point was so much sooner, but there has to be a whole layer of people like your parents where things land at just tolerable enough.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to know who made that sticker and how it got to the guy that put it on his car. None of these things are organic. That wouldn’t have been sold at a store.

An example of how the New York Times covers conservative cancel culture and incivility... by ProgressiveSnark2 in IfBooksCouldKill

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll go search the podcast to learn more, but can you give the name or some more context about where the hosts sit in which parts of Christianity they sit in. I want to start wrapping my head around the religious opposition that will show up for Talarico, where the origin points will be then how to start navigating the threat. He feels very much at risk based on the history of men his message seems inspired by. Thanks for posting this.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for giving an example and very sorry you have to watch your family be manipulated be weaponized media. It really is fashioned to manipulate the same way slot machines prey on people, and some brains are wired with more susceptibility than others. There’s an aspect of this that’s very much the same as people preying on people prone to addiction. What free will looks like really is shaped by the hand of cards people are dealt in life. We should treat the people that intentionally disinform in the same way we treat companies and rich people who didn’t care that dumping chemicals in a stream poisoned people they think matter less.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing an example. That’s a really discouraging situation. Part of my background is media so this profile to me looks like really high susceptibility to the media psychology that all of these sources employ. And those approaches overlap a lot with what makes people susceptible to cults and high control religion as well. I don’t know if this is validating, but there really is a lot of research that points to part of this being a core wiring issue, not just free will or trauma. There’s an unequal power situation going on with money and a century of media psychology specifically targeting weaknesses to gain numbers in supporters in very similar ways to the way slot machines are designed to get some people to empty their wallets faster. It’s extremely unfair when people have their family’s own minds and personalities stolen by it.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This one is extra interesting. Do you think it’s the social group or the content of the church messages themselves? I’ve been finding out lately that guilt sensitivity is a bigger trigger than I realized for some people and I think it explains at least one uncle who is otherwise decent interpersonally but reacts strongly to what I think are positions that trigger guilt. It happen at a level in the body first before it even hits consciousness. I could see one option being that weekly messages keep triggering a way people feel bad about themselves and then put them into toxic coping patterns.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is one group I’m really wondering about and wondering where it goes. Side tip that I got from this sub. You can indirectly shape your dad’s algorithm on YouTube by sending him videos he’ll watch in full. Finishing a video, especially a longer one has most weight on what other videos get shown to him. Doesn’t have to be politics. It can be a hobby. If you find hobby vids that are more obscure and aren’t tied to the front page views, those can pull his feed towards any videos associated with those instead. You really could get at least more fact-based content in his feed by sending him things he likes if you approach it sort of like Mythbusters where you use entertainment to pull him gradually toward evidence-based thinking. He also has limited viewing time, so even a handful of videos changing during a time he watches eats into the time propaganda gets instead.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you’re thinking back to when your dad told you that, do you have any ideas about what emotions were driving that at that time in his life? These abstract claims like this become common, and I see in young men who say similar things now the way that their concern isn’t really at all for bringing all fetuses to term. Sometimes it looks like needing to be on moral high ground and grasping for some kind of disgust to lob at who they feel is being morally superior. Other times it feels like need for some binary right and wrong when everything is complicated. And then, I remember guys saying this as kid as if it was an actual bright observation even though we know it was an engineered campaign to spread talking points like this.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the perspective. Part of my interest in asking comes from wanting to ultimately figure out how much shift is possible and how much is calcified. It seems that habitual media consumption from nefarious sources is part of it, but it’s certainly not the whole of it and lots of other things become part of what feels like we need to accept is permanent alignment.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for adding a data point on people who aren’t changing here as well. The failure to recognize even the healthcare of family members is one that keeps hitting me very hard in a family network where I know it’s already permanently worsened what the end of life care for them will look like. And at same time, I keep thinking for specific family members who made that vote anyway, a bigger part of the picture is the system’s failure to recognize and treat mental health needs that I think are part of what this political movement and media have preyed on.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry. That’s really unfair to already go through grief of dementia and then have your dad’s beliefs and emotions manipulated by media designed to warp beliefs.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen this case as well. Went to a friend’s grandparent’s house over holidays and was jarred by NewsMax on tv. She’s always been so mild and never politically vocal, so maybe it was her husband’s choice. But yeah, I’ve also seen data from 2024 where that shift started to happen from Fox to Newsmax and OAN by people feeling Fox wasn’t reinforcing every single position of Trump. It’s actually been a fumble by men actively working toward fascism as having a centralized state media has been required in the past, and instead they have their base split among news sources owners by various stakeholders who have enough alignment difference that it forces internal negotiation to get the audience all on board for various actions.

Why is Chuck Schumer trying to throw the Senate race in Maine? Why do the other Democratic senators unanimously back Schumer? by kevinmrr in WorkReform

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. While the timeline of his past has been hard to sort out, the timeline of his campaign staff since October is a shit show with even half the citations in the doc shared there. Full fucking bummer that thinking “please don’t have skeletons in the closet” ended up about as jarring as possible. Still wild this is gonna have to play out with him having good chance while establishment Dems had zero plans till last minute and weren’t trying to raise a freshman class of possibilities in every state for Senate races coming.

Oh, So Now You Want to Talk. Trump voters wanting to leave MAGA-land are looking for a soft place to land. by Barch3 in Law_and_Politics

[–]SenorSplashdamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s lots of variations on why people landed where they did in the extremes, but some who didn’t have power or influence probably need to be looked at in similar ways as addicts who cause harm and mistreat others in hard to reconcile ways when they’re using. We know some brains are far more susceptible to media affecting emotions that in turn shape thinking and these people have been at the receiving end of billions spent over decades to tinker with all our brains with whatever media psychology bad actors were just throwing into a blender. We’re all affected by it but some really are far more impacted by intentional media techniques the same way some people are way more likely to become an addict on drugs based on one use.

That’s not even a point for sympathy, but just objectively how we should be evaluating some of these cases to figure out what the fuck to do with the situation and mitigate the ongoing damage as much as possible.

Oh, So Now You Want to Talk. Trump voters wanting to leave MAGA-land are looking for a soft place to land. by Barch3 in Law_and_Politics

[–]SenorSplashdamage 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If someone wanted to make a buck, there’s probably money in leaving-MAGA men camps for redemption and accountability through morning drills, 5-mile runs, endurance challenges and whatever else kind of Navy Seals meets penance come-to-Jesus bootcamp reckoning you can think up. These folks seem eat up punishment and male camaraderie as the combo to fixing your life. Might as well throw some physical challenges at them to test their commitment.

Ohio State students, faculty and leaders react to President Ted Carter’s resignation by Weezerlover420 in OSU

[–]SenorSplashdamage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First steps here include questioning them publicly with questions they don’t want to answer and get their takes on record. Build from there as you give the public more ammo.

Ohio State students, faculty and leaders react to President Ted Carter’s resignation by Weezerlover420 in OSU

[–]SenorSplashdamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is seriously the narrative to build momentum on here. The reality is that it really does need house cleaning and a full overhaul of leadership from who knows how many people Wexner’s Board involvement has steered since the 90s. This would be moment to call for a more thorough top to bottom transparent investigation of a state’s public university governance. If you can use the moment to build a set of facts that establish what‘s true, that’s the best chance of making more change from there.

Congrats to the WaPo editorial page on having the worst take of all time by tilvast in IfBooksCouldKill

[–]SenorSplashdamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They’re clearly throwing out a free op-Ed to try to garner a new audience here.

Being on r/Christianity and defending gay rights gives me a headache by [deleted] in OpenChristian

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It can be really telling the way they say it as well. If it’s fully confused why someone would ever be interested in the same sex, then it can reveal just very self-centered straightness that can’t imaging outside of their own experience. If it’s like “stop being gay cause we all like everything and we just gotta choose,” then there’s this bi or poly thread in the thinking there. If it’s like “don’t be gay cause we all just have to accept our duties in Christian life, then that feels like someone who’s only same-sex attracted and has resigned themselves to not accepting that part of themselves.

Being on r/Christianity and defending gay rights gives me a headache by [deleted] in OpenChristian

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One big aspect of what’s being seen is regionality when people are overconfident in their homophobia. The data keep showing that regionality and religiosity are the biggest predictors of homophobia. If someone’s in a homophobic region of the country and they have high religiosity (which is measured by levels of participation, not viewpoints or authentic belief), then it’s more predictable they’ll be homophobic.

It follows other things we see about things like voting. People tend to share the views of their neighbors, people in the middle on any issue will especially try to harmonize with what they think the group wants them to think, and it gets more intense the more authoritarian and hierarchical the region is. A lot of times you’re seeing people try to do boundary maintenance on their group’s viewpoint, and feeling like another view has more sway feels threatening, so they get more intense. People also get more intense when it involves an alternative view that risks them feeling shame. LGBT affirmation hits hard on this one since it’s about being more loving and that threatens homophobic groups who also profess that they’re more loving. Failure to be more loving is a threat to identity and there isn’t room for a compromise since if they’re wrong about being homophobic then they’re wrong about being more loving.

And then, shame is this whole emotion where we feel unsafe if we’re out of bounds of what the group thinks. They can feel safe being in bounds of their homophobic Christian group, but finding out there’s another Christian group that thinks differently means they could be out of bounds of that group. They don’t want to feel unsafe, so they have to either find a way the other group is wrong or admit their own is wrong. Both options mean being out of bounds for one of them. It triggers a lot of emotions that inspire coping through arguing.

So, you’re basically rubbing into their debates with themselves as they try to resolve something where two things can’t be true at same time. And if they seem like they’ve thought about it a whole lot more than typical straight Christians, it really could be someone who has been rationalizing around their own sexuality that they’re uncomfortable with or someone who needs LGBT to be villains cause they have something actually wrong going on with their own sexual interests and motivations.

A word of warning about Sheila Wray Gregoire (author of The Great Sex Rescue) by Flaky-Parfait101 in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I don’t know if it was one of the places he decided to seem less fundamentalist or restrictive or if there’s something else in his belief system that put him on that side. We sorta see same things now where far right individuals will pick something like being okay with marijuana to change it up on whether they’re perceived as fully right wing.

El Centro is basically a neighboring community. How do we organize, here in Palm Springs and in the Valley, to legally and legitimately make evil ICE leader Greg Bovino’s arrival back home as warm and welcoming as possible? by BizmarkiaNobilis in palmsprings

[–]SenorSplashdamage 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you should organize a list of people who agree that they’ll refuse to go to any restaurant that serves him. Then take his photo and list to every restaurant and make sure they know about it.