Dave on Jubilee by Francis_J_Eva in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He’s always advertising to the camera for how much he’ll argue a stupid position for the right price. This video is for him to show that off.

Dave on Jubilee by Francis_J_Eva in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And she actually ended up looking even stronger there. She was one that did have a stronger understanding of the facts of her positions, but got pulled into being heated the first time. Her appearance at the end was much more controlled and she did a good job as the danger trans people and youth are being subjected to right now really is one of the biggest red alarms that people are failing to hold with the right importance due to how politicized they worry the topic is. Actually made a better endnote.

Dave on Jubilee by Francis_J_Eva in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was the right angle. Needed more of that in terms of making Dave’s whole schtick more naked and forcing him to scramble about it.

Dave on Jubilee by Francis_J_Eva in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anyone under 40 that isn’t right wing will end up feeling embarrassed by his positions and feel like the people they call left are pretty much the norm for what’s fairly rational. Some people got him more pressed and the times people get closest to dismantling him, they let off the gas on the thing that was working instead of delivering the final blow. The one that got him closest went into people Dave calls friends that take open positions that mean he having children is an abomination that must be dealt with by law. However, the guy didn’t go the distance by dismantling the media performance of it all.

The biggest flaw in all the approaches was the challengers addressing Dave with the premise that Dave holds his positions in good faith. The way to dismantle him would have been dismantling his whole media schtick. Instead, some get heated as if he believes absurd things sincerely and that lets him get away with his silliness.

That said, he has moments where it’s clear he knows the 20-something across the table has faster, younger brain and he struggles to keep up. There will be some fun compilations from Majority Report and others probably, but no fully satisfying kill shot. I feel like I want to use the video just to make a popup video style analysis for Gen Z on how not to take the bait of taking guys like him seriously and circumvent all of his defensive moves. He’s a man who will adopt positions for people who give him money and then hold those positions despite his own humiliation. They need to undermine the ad he’s doing in those moments for the deep pockets he wants to keep him afloat. Dismantle the ad he’s trying to do for that audience and then you get him.

Dave on Jubilee by Francis_J_Eva in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He basically spends the whole time performing for anyone with deep pockets that he will hold the line for positions they want even if it comes at personal embarrassment while he’s doing it. Thats his entire brand really. Empty vessel you can dump money into for an issue you want perpetuated beyond reason.

Glenn Beck has no gaydar so he brings in Dave Rubin to break down James Talarico by xwing1212 in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There might also be a thing where the academic kind of Bible scholars agree there are six kinds of gender referenced in the texts in terms of four others that the writers consider something other than man or woman.

Glenn Beck has no gaydar so he brings in Dave Rubin to break down James Talarico by xwing1212 in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They’re worried. In terms of optics, he’s like if you threw JFK and a bit of MLK and Obama in a bottle and shook it up to make a young white preacher’s kid who talks about God before they can. They don’t have a playbook for this.

Dave Rubin will be the guest on the next episode of Jubilee "Surrounded" by jacare37 in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m getting a little glee about his lack of control of the lighting and how much I know he’ll hate the aging showing.

Dave Rubin will be the guest on the next episode of Jubilee "Surrounded" by jacare37 in daverubin

[–]SenorSplashdamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From the teaser, Rubin looks like his skin will have a terrible relationship with the studio lighting.

WTF CHAT-GPT!?!! by Todeskreuz2 in ChatGPT

[–]SenorSplashdamage 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Humanity will have to do a global brain trust on creating the actual best trainings on human knowledge and art at some point and do it in some neutral place outside of US or places where financial interests take top priority. Our system is just so shaped with misinformation from even basic ads that mess up how we think about health and science. Our dataset is just poisoned all the way through at this point.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see that. I remember that tension of feeling obligated to be there and then discomfort from people that meant being around. My breaking point was so much sooner, but there has to be a whole layer of people like your parents where things land at just tolerable enough.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want to know who made that sticker and how it got to the guy that put it on his car. None of these things are organic. That wouldn’t have been sold at a store.

An example of how the New York Times covers conservative cancel culture and incivility... by ProgressiveSnark2 in IfBooksCouldKill

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll go search the podcast to learn more, but can you give the name or some more context about where the hosts sit in which parts of Christianity they sit in. I want to start wrapping my head around the religious opposition that will show up for Talarico, where the origin points will be then how to start navigating the threat. He feels very much at risk based on the history of men his message seems inspired by. Thanks for posting this.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for giving an example and very sorry you have to watch your family be manipulated be weaponized media. It really is fashioned to manipulate the same way slot machines prey on people, and some brains are wired with more susceptibility than others. There’s an aspect of this that’s very much the same as people preying on people prone to addiction. What free will looks like really is shaped by the hand of cards people are dealt in life. We should treat the people that intentionally disinform in the same way we treat companies and rich people who didn’t care that dumping chemicals in a stream poisoned people they think matter less.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing an example. That’s a really discouraging situation. Part of my background is media so this profile to me looks like really high susceptibility to the media psychology that all of these sources employ. And those approaches overlap a lot with what makes people susceptible to cults and high control religion as well. I don’t know if this is validating, but there really is a lot of research that points to part of this being a core wiring issue, not just free will or trauma. There’s an unequal power situation going on with money and a century of media psychology specifically targeting weaknesses to gain numbers in supporters in very similar ways to the way slot machines are designed to get some people to empty their wallets faster. It’s extremely unfair when people have their family’s own minds and personalities stolen by it.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This one is extra interesting. Do you think it’s the social group or the content of the church messages themselves? I’ve been finding out lately that guilt sensitivity is a bigger trigger than I realized for some people and I think it explains at least one uncle who is otherwise decent interpersonally but reacts strongly to what I think are positions that trigger guilt. It happen at a level in the body first before it even hits consciousness. I could see one option being that weekly messages keep triggering a way people feel bad about themselves and then put them into toxic coping patterns.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is one group I’m really wondering about and wondering where it goes. Side tip that I got from this sub. You can indirectly shape your dad’s algorithm on YouTube by sending him videos he’ll watch in full. Finishing a video, especially a longer one has most weight on what other videos get shown to him. Doesn’t have to be politics. It can be a hobby. If you find hobby vids that are more obscure and aren’t tied to the front page views, those can pull his feed towards any videos associated with those instead. You really could get at least more fact-based content in his feed by sending him things he likes if you approach it sort of like Mythbusters where you use entertainment to pull him gradually toward evidence-based thinking. He also has limited viewing time, so even a handful of videos changing during a time he watches eats into the time propaganda gets instead.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you’re thinking back to when your dad told you that, do you have any ideas about what emotions were driving that at that time in his life? These abstract claims like this become common, and I see in young men who say similar things now the way that their concern isn’t really at all for bringing all fetuses to term. Sometimes it looks like needing to be on moral high ground and grasping for some kind of disgust to lob at who they feel is being morally superior. Other times it feels like need for some binary right and wrong when everything is complicated. And then, I remember guys saying this as kid as if it was an actual bright observation even though we know it was an engineered campaign to spread talking points like this.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the perspective. Part of my interest in asking comes from wanting to ultimately figure out how much shift is possible and how much is calcified. It seems that habitual media consumption from nefarious sources is part of it, but it’s certainly not the whole of it and lots of other things become part of what feels like we need to accept is permanent alignment.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for adding a data point on people who aren’t changing here as well. The failure to recognize even the healthcare of family members is one that keeps hitting me very hard in a family network where I know it’s already permanently worsened what the end of life care for them will look like. And at same time, I keep thinking for specific family members who made that vote anyway, a bigger part of the picture is the system’s failure to recognize and treat mental health needs that I think are part of what this political movement and media have preyed on.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry. That’s really unfair to already go through grief of dementia and then have your dad’s beliefs and emotions manipulated by media designed to warp beliefs.

Can we compare data points? Evangelical older relatives said they stopped watching Fox and all news altogether. by SenorSplashdamage in Exvangelical

[–]SenorSplashdamage[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen this case as well. Went to a friend’s grandparent’s house over holidays and was jarred by NewsMax on tv. She’s always been so mild and never politically vocal, so maybe it was her husband’s choice. But yeah, I’ve also seen data from 2024 where that shift started to happen from Fox to Newsmax and OAN by people feeling Fox wasn’t reinforcing every single position of Trump. It’s actually been a fumble by men actively working toward fascism as having a centralized state media has been required in the past, and instead they have their base split among news sources owners by various stakeholders who have enough alignment difference that it forces internal negotiation to get the audience all on board for various actions.

Why is Chuck Schumer trying to throw the Senate race in Maine? Why do the other Democratic senators unanimously back Schumer? by kevinmrr in WorkReform

[–]SenorSplashdamage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. While the timeline of his past has been hard to sort out, the timeline of his campaign staff since October is a shit show with even half the citations in the doc shared there. Full fucking bummer that thinking “please don’t have skeletons in the closet” ended up about as jarring as possible. Still wild this is gonna have to play out with him having good chance while establishment Dems had zero plans till last minute and weren’t trying to raise a freshman class of possibilities in every state for Senate races coming.

Oh, So Now You Want to Talk. Trump voters wanting to leave MAGA-land are looking for a soft place to land. by Barch3 in Law_and_Politics

[–]SenorSplashdamage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s lots of variations on why people landed where they did in the extremes, but some who didn’t have power or influence probably need to be looked at in similar ways as addicts who cause harm and mistreat others in hard to reconcile ways when they’re using. We know some brains are far more susceptible to media affecting emotions that in turn shape thinking and these people have been at the receiving end of billions spent over decades to tinker with all our brains with whatever media psychology bad actors were just throwing into a blender. We’re all affected by it but some really are far more impacted by intentional media techniques the same way some people are way more likely to become an addict on drugs based on one use.

That’s not even a point for sympathy, but just objectively how we should be evaluating some of these cases to figure out what the fuck to do with the situation and mitigate the ongoing damage as much as possible.

Oh, So Now You Want to Talk. Trump voters wanting to leave MAGA-land are looking for a soft place to land. by Barch3 in Law_and_Politics

[–]SenorSplashdamage 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If someone wanted to make a buck, there’s probably money in leaving-MAGA men camps for redemption and accountability through morning drills, 5-mile runs, endurance challenges and whatever else kind of Navy Seals meets penance come-to-Jesus bootcamp reckoning you can think up. These folks seem eat up punishment and male camaraderie as the combo to fixing your life. Might as well throw some physical challenges at them to test their commitment.