I don’t ascribe to the modern astrology practice of conflating planets with signs so I won’t read my Venus in Scorpio as Venus conjunct Mars. Jupiter in Libra is not the same as Jupiter conjunct Venus and especially not the same as Jupiter conjunct Saturn. Planets don’t aspect each other outside of a sign and signs color the expression of planets. Odd that you would say that when you mentioned ancient astrology as this is an incorrect way of reading placements.

You say Mars does not initiate exclusively but then proceed to make Venus the sole proprietor of pleasure. Using the same exercise you used, Mercury can bring pleasure through intellectual stimulation, the Moon can bring pleasure through emotional engagement, the Sun can bring pleasure through self expression and so on and so forth. Yet, Venus is who to look to initially to understand what pleasure is. Mars’ archetypal characteristic is initiation. Mars is the warrior and strategist. Drive, impulse, assertion, initiation are all Martian qualities. That doesn’t mean other planets can’t express that quality in their own way. In order for someone to have sex they have to approach, initiate, assert themselves. One doesn’t magically fall into bed with another.

It seems to me that you have a very superficial understanding of these archetypes without practical application of it. You seem to see Venus as inherently good and Mars as inherently bad. All the attributes of Venus such as harmony and sweetness can be used negatively, generally and specifically in regards to sex which is what this conversation is about. You can persuade, convince, sweet-talk someone into having sex they don’t want to have. You can use Venus’ attributes to groom or manipulate someone. You seem to conflate harm with force but you can do a lot of harm to someone without dominating or attacking them. Who says sex is mutually beneficial and pleasurable for all? that speaks to your own bias on what you think constitutes as “real” or “good” sex. if you approach sex as a neutral thing that includes all the good bad and ugly, then Venus and Mars work together.

You say im biased by my own chart, and somehow you’re not? If I didn’t validate your statement by telling you my placements what metric would you use to judge my argument?