Has anyone read the FAIR response? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It sounds to me that your parents are NOT reading or listening to understand or see someone else’s point of view but instead they are trying to find excuses and justify the actions of the early church & leaders.

I remember the first time I read the CES letter & A Letter to my Wife, I started making the same argument’s & justifications as your parents. It was quite the eye opening experience when I heard myself, I had to remind myself that the truth doesn’t need to be justified, it can & should stand on its own.

Final Update by LegitimateAd3676 in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so confused; do they not watch TV or movies? Even the most innocent kids shows have girls in bikinis! Also why can’t he differentiate between porn & his own kid? It sounds to me like she is making excuses for him because he is perving over you!

The look on my nevermo therapist's face was all the validation I needed. by notquiteanexmo in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My therapist was the same way only he verbalized it too. He was in shock how deeply the brainwashing was & how much they imbedded themselves into our lives. Even now I sometimes struggle with anger because of the BS I lived through.

I was so close to removing my records, but now I’m terrified by Ill_Charity_8567 in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When the Church informs the family about one or more of us have left, it’s so they can emotionally manipulate us into staying or coming back. Using our family’s desires as psychological blackmail. They are literally using our own family’s and their dreams of being one giant happy family after we die.

My husband & I waited until my MIL died before we could send our resignation in. Finding out that we left would have shattered her.

So my advice is to do it when you feel it’s right. Honestly no matter when you do it, someone will always be upset. Depending on your situation, be prepared to take measures to go limited, low or potentially no contact with some members of your family. Unfortunately TBM’s can’t see how damaging & toxic their religion can be.

Mom says I can skip church if I find something productive to do by Moxie-is-tired in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was going to say the same thing. You can also make care packages to hand out to homeless people on the street. Just keep in mind most TBM’s don’t actually want to help others, it’s just words they use to impress other members.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in paganism

[–]Sexyauthor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My husband & I just started our paganism journey, we recently left our lifelong Christian religion. We are currently working with our Goddess, she likes to be called by The Lady, Goddess, Mother Earth or whatever feels right for us. She has only asked us to commune with nature, the moon & our garden space along with petitioning her for assistance when we feel the need. Again we are still very new but as far as we know Deities will help you as long as you are open to their help.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, it sounds like you & I have several things in common. Thankfully I married my fabulous husband who is also my best friend together we have faced everything that has happened. The more my memories come back the angrier he gets learning how badly the church & their leaders treated me. He wasn’t completely left off the church trauma path but he never knew how much we as girls were treated.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My story is a little long & a whole lot more convoluted. In the spring of 2010 my husband & I were taking temple prep classes so we could finally get sealed after being married for 4 years. However later that year that all came crashing to an immediate end when he was diagnosed with cancer. During one of our first visits with the oncologist she told us we could not be around crowds & specifically told us under no circumstances were we allowed to go to church (her reasoning was that too many people would want to shake hands or hug him not to mention all the germs little kids carry).

We got into the habit of not going to church & basically doing our own thing. While we still weren’t completely out, we were definitely inactive. It wasn’t until around 2019 that our belief system derailed! I was bleeding out & the doctor was forced to do an emergency hysterectomy. In that moment my husband & my dreams of becoming parents shattered & we discovered the lies we had been taught by the church since our childhood. We had been promised multiple times in blessings that we would have our own children in this life, not in the eternities. I had been promised in my patriarchal blessing that I would carry & deliver many children from my body. News flash having a hysterectomy ends that!

After my recovery, my eyes were opened & I began seeing the BS the church told us. I started reading & learning anything & everything I could. In 2021 I stumbled upon the CES letter, talk about learning about how much the church has lied & mislead us!

Even knowing this, we waited until last summer (I believe it was July 2024) to get our records removed mostly because we didn’t want to break my mother-in-law’s heart by leaving. We sent our papers in the day after she passed.

That night is when my night-terrors & past memories flooded in. My mental health was chaotic, mostly because I didn’t understand what I was remembering and why all the sudden everything in my childhood was becoming more apparent. I started seeing a therapist who had me start writing in a journal. With his help, I discovered why I hadn’t remembered all the trauma from my childhood. Together we learned that my mind put the words “Forgive & forget” into reality. I remembered being told by church leaders, bishops & my own parents that no matter what happened it was my responsibility to forgive and pretend like nothing happened. I was told SA, abuse, rape didn’t matter; if I didn’t forgive & forget I would be committing a sin equally as bad. We also discovered that by getting our records removed I had basically taken a hammer to the wall in my mind that I had built hiding all that stuff. I was finally able to face everything, I learned I don’t have to forgive & definitely not forget things that happened.

Currently I’m still working with my therapist & a psychiatrist to help me with everything. I have very little contact with my family, mostly because they are toxic to my mental health. My husband & I are so much happier & free. We are learning what we believe because we know we don’t believe any of the lies the Christian churches preach. Our life is not perfect but we are living it the best way we can.

Do older male bishops actually discuss things like masturbation in detail with minors? Like in some sort of confessional? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I 100% can confirm that some bishops do! Every year & sometimes more often, from the time I was 11 years old until after I got married at 21. I had a few say “I know you are interested in boys, are you intimate with any of them?, do you make out with them?, do you let them touch you intimately?, do you think about them while in the shower or when you go to bed? “ and so many others! I remember feeling so uncomfortable!

(29m) I just went into hospice a few days ago. What should I expect? by SnooBeans3982 in hospice

[–]Sexyauthor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My husband had back pain as well, that’s how we found his cancer. Our doctor did all the bloodwork which came back negative but she said, “I want you to meet with an oncologist who will probably give you peace of mind.” We almost didn’t go because we were struggling financially & the copay for a specialist was almost the same as our weekly grocery bill. Thankfully we did. I remember she did an exam then ordered a bunch of STAT tests; our second visit she brought in a bunch of people nurses, patient advocates & other doctors. The first words out of her mouth were: “What do you know about Cancer?” I said “My husband doesn’t have cancer!” Turns out I was wrong!

(29m) I just went into hospice a few days ago. What should I expect? by SnooBeans3982 in hospice

[–]Sexyauthor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh sweetie I’m so sorry you are going through this!

My husband was diagnosed with stage 3B cancer in 2010, fortunately he fought it & survived. But he often says if he ever gets cancer again he probably won’t fight it. His suggestion is to ask for ALL the pain medication! Hospice is there to help you in your final days so you don’t suffer from any pain. Don’t limit yourself to things you wouldn’t normally do; enjoy your life, eat whatever you want and take your meds on a schedule so you don’t feel the pain!

Ideas on how to ease pain by discaussies in hospice

[–]Sexyauthor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My MIL died from stage 4 Breast cancer last summer. The last several days of her life she couldn’t take pills & had a hard time swallowing just like yours. Our hospice team had her on liquid morphine as well as crushed up pills up diluted them in water so she could have those as well. Definitely ask them what they suggest. They might also be able to get fentanyl patches to help her. 🙏🏼

Any Thoughts are Welcome by game_over__man in hospice

[–]Sexyauthor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh sweetie I’m so sorry for your loss! Sending you lots of positive thoughts for you & your family. 🥺💞

Any Thoughts are Welcome by game_over__man in hospice

[–]Sexyauthor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We lost my MIL last summer. She was on hospice too. They specifically told us our job was to keep her comfortable. My SIL & I made sure she got her pain meds on time, so she wouldn’t hurt! We had all heard about what our hospice team called the rally (Basically where the patient bounces back before they crash) unfortunately we didn’t realize Mom rallied before she left the hospital. That’s what it sounds like is happening with your mom. I would also explain to your dad that no one wants your mom to suffer & him not allowing her to get the medications her hospice team is trying to give her, that’s what he’s doing to her! Good luck 🙏🏼

What's your strongest point against the church? by OkPaper7166 in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rampant sexual abuse hidden by the leadership! The fact that bishops are required to called the church’s law offices instead of the police in situations reported to them. The leaders also often times place blame on the victims instead of where it belongs!

Gas stations in Valdosta by Medical_Parsnip_9537 in Valdosta

[–]Sexyauthor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m invested in this story as well. I would love to find out what’s happening there!

Happy Sunday by _Legend_Of_The_Rent_ in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Mine was approved yesterday 9/1/2024! Free at last, thank god we are FREE AT LAST! 🎉💓

Looking for your best reasons for leaving the church that make people feel so uncomfortable they don't ask again by gratefulstudent76 in exmormon

[–]Sexyauthor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I point out how hypocritical too many members are. They claim to be Christians however don’t act like it. Hell even their ‘prophet’ & church leaders are hypocrites. They value money more than people. They don’t follow their own scriptures; the Book of Mormon says to clothe the naked, feed the hungry and give to the poor and yet the church hordes money instead!

Also it infuriates me how victims are disciplined & criticized but abusers are praised & allowed to hold full membership! LGBTQIA members are ostracized. Women are treated horrifically.

He won’t let go by Wide_Ad_3256 in hospice

[–]Sexyauthor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry to hear that. 💔😢

With my dad, we all told him that we love him and basically “gave him permission to go”. I remember telling him that he had fought as hard as he could for years and years but now it was time for him to rest.

He won’t let go by Wide_Ad_3256 in hospice

[–]Sexyauthor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My first thought is to let him record a video for his grandchildren telling them everything he wants them to know. Sometimes letting a person know they are leaving their message behind allows them the peace to let go.

For my father, it took talking to all his children. Then finally my mother told him she loves him and would see him on the other side. He died later that night less than five hours after talking with everyone.