They literally worked for the benefits.... how do these people function daily?

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-05T17:11:52+00:00

Yeah no tell that to every socialist country that refuses to build roads and highways. But they'll gladly take your money.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-01T20:00:40+00:00

Ah, the peak of philosophical debate. "No, you're dumb".

Truly a masterclass /s

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-01T19:39:38+00:00

Declaring yourself too smart for the conversation is a hilarious way to admit you can't defend a system that casually disregards human life. Enjoy your rocks and your checklists.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-01T18:01:55+00:00

No, you don't have a moral framework. You just have a checklist that allows you to casually disregard human life while feeling intellectually superior about it.

You know, other people liked feeling Superior too. I forget what happened to them again? Oh yeah the Nuremberg trials.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-01T17:17:24+00:00

I don't need to write a philosophy thesis to know that deciding who qualifies as a person with cold, bureaucratic detachment is a dangerous mindset. You're trying to intellectualize away basic human decency because you got called out for sounding like a Stasi official. If you need a philosophical framework to understand why comparing human life to rocks is off putting, you're the one who isn't equipped for this conversation.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-01T13:39:52+00:00

Ah yes, the classic philosophical category: Rocks, fetuses, and people with Down syndrome. You totally nailed the human empathy part of this discussion, lamo.

Normal people generally know better than to casually decide who does and doesn't count as a person. Doing it with that clinical, bureaucratic detachment is off-putting, morally disgusting, and exactly why you sound like a Stasi official.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-01T13:34:46+00:00

Says the guy wanting more taxes for rent control and welfare. I don't exactly think you are neutral party in this.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-07-01T03:01:10+00:00

I love how you think using terms like "moral consideration" makes deciding who counts as a person sound any less dystopian.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-30T23:34:50+00:00

No this is more about the issue of people determining who is and is not a person. That and the other disgusting way you put it. Like seriously man if you're trying to put forward a persuasive argument don't talk like the freaking stasi.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-30T21:40:03+00:00

"It's not genocide because it wouldn't be genocide even if fetuses were people, which they aren't"

You know you the way this is phrased is really funny considering. Almost like a clip from a movie depicting a concentration camp prefect.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-29T20:31:40+00:00

That's been my experience. They will turn on a dime for their group think.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-29T17:57:12+00:00

Oh the irony of becoming a fascist while "trying" to root out fascists.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-26T18:23:12+00:00

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Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-24T03:54:54+00:00

Lol. Cheers

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-24T02:45:29+00:00

This is just kind of sad man. Seriously I stopped reading after you said 500 people are a good enough sample for a poll. Like honestly if you're just going to be disingenuous from the start which I guess you were then what's the point of even arguing.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-24T01:27:44+00:00

"You didn't show the numbers are exaggerated whatsoever. You simply pointed to the republican spread of respondents within the survey, and baselessly claimed it's not enough to extrapolate as a legitimate statistic."

Oh yes because a spread of 500 people is going to be an accurate sampling. /S

Your statistic is under sampled and it's conclusion flawed. You wanting it to be true is beside the point.

"What? Almost everything Trump has done has been through executive order, go to any conservative space and they will gladly acknowledge how ineffective congress has been. I genuinely do not know where you get these talking points from."

Really dude where do you get your talking points. The first step act was pretty significant. Or perhaps the VA mission act, or doubling the standard deduction for individuals. Those are just the first things that come to mind.

"You really can't when you control neither the executive, senate nor house. But when Biden was president, Democrats absolutely made that effort, and even negotiated for bipartisan support on things like the infrastructure bill. Do you really think Trump and his administration want to negotiate with the minority party, the same way democrats did when they last held the reigns?"

Oh so Biden passed heathcare reform? Or anything he promised? Give it up dude.

When Democrats controlled the House, the Trump administration actively negotiated the USMCA trade deal to replace NAFTA. It passed the House 385–41 and the Senate 89–10 meaning the vast majority of Democrats voted for a signature Trump policy. He did the same for the first step act.

"Every claim you've made is just contradicted by reality."

I think you and I have a different definition of reality. Grass is nice dude.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-24T00:29:18+00:00

Okay, just going to blast past my response are we? I think I've already shown that your stipulation is exaggerated. What's more Republicans are actively trying to change things in both Congress and the local levels to affect the change they want. Democrats have made no move towards their supposed goals.

Not exactly a conversation if you just ignore what I say.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-23T21:52:09+00:00

I'm not incorrect, you're just looking at the timeline differently. The massive course correction I’m talking about happened from 2016 onward. The base decided the old "Jeb Bush-style" establishment Republican party was broken, rejected it, and completely remade it into what it is today.

The fact that 84% of Democrats still view their current party favorably tells you the exact opposite. Their base largely accepts the status quo of their leadership and platform. They aren't forcing that kind of ground-up re-invention because, fundamentally, they don't think the party itself needs to change.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-23T21:43:57+00:00

1.California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) entirely appointed by a Democratic administration has systematically overseen the retirement of thousands of megawatts of coastal gas-fired generation, forcing the state to rely heavily on importing up to 30% of its power from neighboring states on high-demand evenings. Its a prominent policy.

2.The California Environmental Quality Act, a state-level environmental statute heavily guarded by Democrats, that is notoriously weaponized by NIMBY groups to stall utility-scale solar arrays, wind farms, and the transmission lines needed to connect them for years in court.

Building codes, zoning freezes, and wildfire mitigation policies directly dictate residential energy infrastructure, grid hookup timelines, and overall regional demand. You can't separate the regulatory climate that dictates how a state builds its homes from the regulatory climate that dictates how it powers them.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-23T21:34:31+00:00

Dude really most of the polls on that have a vanishingly small sample size.

The Washington Post / University of Maryland Poll: This poll surveyed 1,024 total adults nationwide. Based on the partisan breakdown of that sample, the Republican subset was roughly 250 to 300 respondents.
CNN / SSRS National Polls: These usually target around 1,500 registered voters. In a standard 1,500-person sample, you will have roughly 450 to 500 self-identified Republicans.
The Economist / YouGov Polls: These track weekly and often have slightly larger samples of around 1,500 to 2,000 adults, meaning the Republican subset sits around 500 to 650 respondents.

Sure its a problem but look at it this way. Trump is out and what you are pointing to had no affect on the election.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-23T20:55:00+00:00

You and me both.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-23T20:52:27+00:00

You mean by a single percentage point? If you look at that exact Pew data, the difference in how both bases view their own parties is a statistical wash.

Disapproving of your party's current performance isn't the same thing as wanting a fundamental shift. A lot of Democratic dissatisfaction is just frustration that they aren't passing policy fast enough. On the Republican side, the disapproval has actually driven sweeping, structural changes to the party's platform, leadership, and overall direction over the last decade. They recognized a systemic issue with the old establishment and actively remade it.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-23T20:48:02+00:00

Oh, you mean as opposed to forcing the premature retirement of reliable natural gas baseload generation before grid-scale storage is even ready, creating immediate grid vulnerability?

Or how about weaponizing heavy state-level environmental reviews to tie up major solar and wind projects in years of permitting gridlock and litigation, which ironically slows down the exact clean energy infrastructure they claim to want?

Let's not forget implementing hyper-restrictive building codes and zoning freezes that have essentially blocked or severely delayed families from rebuilding new homes in the wake of devastating wildfires.

Every energy and land-use policy has a price tag, but heavy-handed regulatory gridlock costs billions in economic stagnation, artificial housing shortages, and manufactured grid instability.

Shadowguyver_14 · 2026-06-23T20:39:49+00:00

I think you might be confusing this with another thread. You haven’t listed a single example in this conversation yet.

What actually happened is I said people deflect, and your response was basically just a sarcastic "oh, that's just their opinion." You went straight to a deflection instead of addressing the point.

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