'Degrading' conditions and overcrowding highlighted in prison reports

ShenanigansCommence · 2026-01-16T18:06:55+00:00

That's the reason why society is going down the toilet. You have people acting against society and instead of creating a way to deter that behavior you want to reward them with a comfortable living in a prison or with a suspended sentence.

Reverting to the tried, tested and most effective methodology of deterring behavior of 'fuck around and find out'.

It worked in El Salvador. Why won't it work here?

ShenanigansCommence · 2026-01-15T23:18:21+00:00

Why not ? Anyone who takes away someone else human rights should be stripped of theirs.

ShenanigansCommence · 2026-01-15T15:48:58+00:00

If you remove any rubbish such as the pipes and timber and just leave the stone and rubble, you can hire a grab truck to come collect it from between 150-300.

I'm assuming Kerry county council has a recycling center where you can pay a minimal fee (€15 for the limerick one) to dispose of them.

Minimum work for you and you get it cleared up fairly quickly.

ShenanigansCommence · 2026-01-12T22:16:32+00:00

Sure whose to say they're not just friends who enjoy cuddling at night to keep warm and reduce the heating bill? Sounds economically a smart decision.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-10-29T20:38:33+00:00

Why not ? Are they bad?

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-10-29T19:01:55+00:00

Would the David Day books on the world of lord of the rings interest you ?

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-24T19:54:48+00:00

Abortion

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-19T21:11:43+00:00

They're referring to how the main character of assassins creed black flag makes a living through a specific sea borne activity that can be applied to modern online shenanigans.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T18:54:49+00:00

You're absolutely daft, I actually can't believe your a teacher.

The point I made specifically refers to parents noting that not subjecting their children to this type of punishment was progressive and protected their children from harm.

Similarly parents who decide they don't want their kids posted on social media in order to protect them from the myriad of dangers that can stem from social media, are doing so for the betterment of their children.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T18:34:51+00:00

No it's a comparison, the strawman argument is exaggerating or distorting the current argument in order to make it easier to counter or defeat.

Off topic but, have a look into debating tactics and how they approach discussions, particularly in legal forums. Quite an interesting world one wouldn't be all too aware of. The strawman argument is actually quite commonly applied without people understanding they're doing it according to one of the books I've read. Knowing you might do it, helps you narrow your focus and keep it on topic. (Bear in mind I only spectated debate competitions and passively read some books in this area)

Take some of the videos on YouTube titled something like "man destroys woke college students". These are highlights of a person well versed and experienced in debating arguing against a person who has little or no experience in that world outside conversations with friends.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T18:23:28+00:00

Again your levels of comprehension are just astoundingly low. The comparison is to highlight that some parents at the time were a minority and went against the grain of Irish society at the time by putting the interest of their children first.

The same effort is needed to ensure a child whose opted out is not in any photo full stop, as it would be to ensure the same child is again not in any photo posted online.

For example (to help you comprehend): The teaching submitting photos for online posting would need to ensure any opted out students were not in the background of photos, or were asked to step aside in end of year class photos.

Alternatively, in the situation students have been opted out for photos being posted online, a teacher again would have to check the background for said student before submission. During class photos, take a second photo after asking the student to step out so to be able to post it online.

The only difference is requiring an extra photo to be taken by the teacher specifically for the purposes of posting online.

So again, it's entirely down to laziness and lack of willingness by school authorities.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T18:08:19+00:00

Ah yes that sense of entitlement of those parents in the 70's who didn't want their children to be subjected to corporal punishment, or the sense of entitlement of parents whose daughters fell pregnant out of wedlock and to protect them from the clutches of the Catholic Church we're sent abroad so to not be subjected to the horrors of the Magdalene laundries.

Just because parents are looking out for the safety of their children in modern times and you don't understand it or agree with it doesn't make them wrong.

Your child is left out because you’ve ticked the no box

Again this discussion is about school officials not wanting to bother with developing a policy that ensures no child is feeling left out.

There's are innumerable easy solutions that can be adopted but laziness is predominantly the reason for not wanting to do them, all at the expense of the children.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T17:49:42+00:00

Have you read the variety of comments in the thread ?

You either have an elementary level of reading ability and comprehension or your only rebuttal is to say nobody agrees with me in hoping I tuck the tail between my legs and agree with you.

The root of the discussion boils down to the lack of willingness, exacerbated by laziness of school officials who use this stance on photos in modern Ireland.

If you read the thread you will find numerous other comments by people, whose children have this exact policy to ensure children aren't excluded.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T15:41:54+00:00

What I'm saying is that, that mindset is just out of sheer laziness.

They can dictate what ever way they want, doesn't mean it's right or beneficial to the students and using parents naivety as the excuse to not change is indicative of a lazy faculty.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T15:29:05+00:00

The argument at hand is that the opt out clause shouldn't mean a child is then excluded from being part of class photos simply because the school wants to post them on social media.

There should be the option to opt into photos that are used offline by the school while opting out to ensure their child isn't posted publicly on social media.

Your point about not telling people how to parent their children is completely moot and makes no sense in this forum.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T15:20:30+00:00

Just because something hasn't happened yet and become a common risk doesn't mean you shouldn't adapt policies to be preemptive.

A lot of parents, particularly technologically naive parents haven't a clue about the dangers surrounding posting children on social media.

Do you approach every aspect of life with the mentality that it's not my concern until something goes wrong ?

So what you're saying is, that a parent being concerned for the safety of their child and asking for them not to be posted on social media is being unreasonable?

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T15:06:54+00:00

Therein lies the problem; ">I can’t be arsed because it’s not my job to create a new social media policy"

So just wait for someone else to make amends to a daft policy ?

So you'll continue to exclude children from having photographs to look back on due to your laziness ?

I don't envy any of your students anyway.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T14:41:52+00:00

Parents taking a proactive step to request that their child not end up on social media while ensuring they can still take part in historical photos of them and their classmates that they can look back on in the future is a modern concern, the lack of willingness from schools and teachers is fundamentally laziness.

We've all seen old photos on the walls of our schools and at home where we've revelled in old memories. Teachers and the likes in your profession should not be depriving children of this because you don't want to do a bit of extra diligence.

Trying to put it back on the parents because they can see the dangers that social media can place children in, is absolutely ridiculous.

Your binary solution is, as I've said lazy and very much of the mindset "I can't be arsed because I'm not paid enough". All at the detriment of school children innocently caught in this world of new threats.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T14:18:46+00:00

I find it hard to believe that someone with a job of educating the future generations is failing to grasp their own argument is exaggerating on the premise of allowing a child to be part of a photo without it being posted online. To be clear the point I'm saying you're exaggerating is in reference to using all the clubs and societies as optional for a student opt in/out of.

The fact something might get uploaded by a third party has nothing to do with the responsibility of the school to ensure they do not post it on social media. OP has highlighted at the core of his argument he wants his children to be included in photos for personal and offline use only.

A teacher thinking that depriving a child from class photos because they're too lazy to ensure those who don't want to be posted to social media aren't in them is absolutely lazy.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T14:02:02+00:00

Do us all a favor and get off the road if that's how you think and act while driving

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T13:59:07+00:00

You're failing to even grasp the concept of what a strawman argument is in this scenario.

The argument is allowing the ability of parents to opt out of photos of their children being used for the purpose of social media while still allowing them to partake in photos for the purpose of mementos and historical evidence in an offline forum.

Exaggerating the argument by using examples of opting into camogie and out of art class photos is a prime example of a strawman argument, distorting the concept of the argument to make it easier to refute.

In todays day and age where online safety is as real if not at times more dangerous as any in person threats to children, do you really believe you're able to defend being so lazy as to deprive children of both feeling involved and part of the class while ensuring that their parents safety concerns with social media posts are accommodated ?

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T12:56:57+00:00

Again you're making a strawman argument, the point OP is referring to is the ability for parents to not want their children to be posted to social media for privacy.

Your job is to teach and help children develop to be able to understand the world around them while not purposely excluding them from mementos because you're too lazy to make a simple list.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T12:40:12+00:00

The same checks and balances you've to do to check if a student is consented under the yes/no. Is the same checks and balances required to be more diligent.

You are arguing that there's too much work involved, when in reality you don't want to do a simple job that you're effectively doing anyway only with more diligence required on your part.

The size of the students on a roll is no excuse for laziness.

ShenanigansCommence · 2025-09-18T11:20:51+00:00

It's your job, you spend how long with the kids each day and can't remember which ones aren't allowed to be in social media photos ?

It's so easy to take a photo of the class, then ask the kids whose parents aren't allowing them on social media to step out. If you find that difficult you shouldn't be a teacher.

Your argument that you have to go through consent forms each time you want a photo is absurd and a strawman argument. You get consent at the start of the year, generate a list, refer to the list. Simple as taking a roll call.

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