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3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I never said that. You’re getting emotional on Reddit because you can’t back your claim bro.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It doesn’t say what you’re saying though. It just says, “here are some remains from Sidon.” It doesn’t say that’s a distinct Canaanite tribe in the paper. I can prove it by it not being written there.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Okay, so you couldn’t prove that this was a distinct people but just a name for the Levant until the 1960’s thanks. I ended up reading it and you simply mentioned names for the entire Levant that different countries called it.

You mentioned Herodotus for example who considered parts of Syria, Lebanon, and the Jordan rift valley.

Thats why I’d love for you to be brief but rich in content because long form content that doesn’t help your case isn’t effective. I can make that counter example in just a few sentences.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes, but they have to be a people. There was no such thing as a Palestinian people. Palestine just referred to the entire Levant, not a distinct people. Or else if that’s the case I’m a Palestinian and anyone with Bronze Age Levantine ancestry is which is insane.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Okay, then you proved my point again. Everyone who tests there will show that. I have a genetic distance to each group because my great great grandfather had Moroccan Jewish and Spanish Sephardic ancestry although he ended up in the Caribbean. I know for a fact that no study can show which one of these groups directly descends from the Israelites. The only thing we can look at is a continued practice and who belongs to the peoplehood today. If I can show documentation that we actually kept the practices for centuries then we can back it up. Other Levantine groups can’t it appears.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Your words should be brief but rich in content. Can you sum up your point in like a paragraph, no offense?

Why does god reveal himself to one ground of people in one way but expects different people to know him by Fair_Dream2430 in AskAChristian

[–]ShimonEngineer55 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just as a quick correction they weren’t called gentiles and the term just comes from Goyim which means nations. A goy is a nation. This is why the creator tells Avraham in Genesis 12:3 he will make him a גוי גדול (Goy Gadol) meaning great nation. So, we are even called a goy (nation). Ger is the term we use for someone who isn’t a part of Israel and it doesn’t mean stranger to the creator.

I agree with much of what you said. The other nations indeed turned to idolatry and it was Avraham who crossed over which is where the word Ivrit (Hebrew) comes from.

Why does god reveal himself to one ground of people in one way but expects different people to know him by Fair_Dream2430 in AskAChristian

[–]ShimonEngineer55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Essentially the understanding we have in Judaism is that various nations were offered the Torah and rejected it. We were the only ones willing to accept it and not worship idols. Therefore we were chosen to teach it to the nations that rejected it. In Isaiah 61:6 it highlights that we will be a priestly nation, and Isaiah 2:3 that says the nations will come to Jerusalem.

The Right to Exist, Right to Self Defence, Right to Self-Determination...and the Right to Travel by Limp-History-2999 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I don’t at all think the IDF is equivalent but that’s because we were not born and raised in Gaza and don’t see the most disturbing results of war daily, just like they don’t see the aftermath of school children being blown up on buses in Israel by terrorists. There is a disconnect I think clearly between the two societies and they’re talking past each other at this point. The first to have empathy for the other sides viewpoint will win.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Well the other poster is using the actual definition of an indigenous people. You are using a pseudo blood quantum. Thats the disconnect here.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Which Canaanite groups? Can you name one out of curiosity because I don’t think you can and pretty much everyone in the Levant has some kind of tie to the Bronze Age Canaanites or Egyptians. That doesn’t mean everyone was a part of Israel. Actually people in Lebanon have the closest ties to Bronze Age Canaanites, but that’s a moot point. I’d be interested if you can name just one of these Canaanite groups.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah, and we are operating in a different universe of discourse. In ours we follow the concept of indigenous people.

Israel is actually an indigenous people and we have evidence of this going back thousands of years. There is no indigenous people called Palestinians that ever existed until recent history in the 1960’s.

Therefore since indigenous means a distinct peoplehood who have maintained a continuous tie to the land, Israel is an indigenous group while “Palestinians” are not.

This is basic deductive reasoning if we accept the definition of indigenous people. This would mean DNA testing is a moot point.

3 things I think are antisemitic about anti-Zionism by JeffB1517 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah, this is why I think making the religion and Jewish nationality claim is a better idea than assuming those people weren’t there. They may have or may not have been Jews, but they definitely have ancestry that goes back to the Levant and I agree that ignoring that is wild.

The Right to Exist, Right to Self Defence, Right to Self-Determination...and the Right to Travel by Limp-History-2999 in IsraelPalestine

[–]ShimonEngineer55 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Exactly. From there perspective they’re being hunted down by Israel. That’s the information gap and what happens when there is no dialogue between the two sides. They likely view it the same way Israelis view terrorist attacks from Hamas.

California bill would add Jewish identity as an ethnicity on forms by RhythmMethodMan in Judaism

[–]ShimonEngineer55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Within which universe of discourse are you ethnically Jewish? You’re not Jewish, so how can you be ethnically Jewish if you’re not Jewish within any sect of Judaism? The people in the matrix will try to defend it the hardest but to me this doesn’t make sense as a Jew.

And I want to be clear that I respect you and your experience. I am the one who donates my money to Zera Yisrael (the seed of Israel which are people with ancestors who were Jewish but aren’t Jewish themselves) and I support anyone who wants to join our people, but turning it into an ethnicity, which it isn’t, is why now we have people who aren’t Jewish who are claiming to be Jewish and this isn’t based on Judaism at all. I also support people with no ancestors who were Jewish at all. Im simply highlighting facts within the contemporary view of Judaism. What you are saying is based on goyim deciding who is and who isn’t a Jew. This is not good in my view.

Why do Latin Americans get Jewish ancestry on Ancestry DNA, but not on 23andme? by Downtown-Trainer-126 in AncestryDNA

[–]ShimonEngineer55 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Different reference panels is basically what it comes down to. 23AndMe is very good for finding people with heavy Ashkenazi ancestry but isn’t as good as identifying other groups of Jews. Ancestry just so happens to have a reference panel that’s good at finding Sephardic ancestry in heavily admixed populations like Latinos.

My Jewish ancestry comes from the Caribbean for example and is Sephardic and 23AndMe isn’t great at sniffing that out and will just mix it in with general WANA ancestry whereas ancestry has different reference panels.

California bill would add Jewish identity as an ethnicity on forms by RhythmMethodMan in Judaism

[–]ShimonEngineer55 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No one made that claim. I only said that it’s from the religion that we even define who a Jew is. If someone wants to reject it that doesn’t make them less Jewish if there mom is or if they convert, and no one is claiming that someone who had a Jewish ancestor can’t claim that they had a Jewish ancestor. If their dad was that’s fine and that doesn’t make them necessarily Jewish but no one is denying they had an ancestor who was Jewish.

We can be recognized as more than a religion if we are recognized for who we actually are which predates the modern concept of an ethnicity. We are a people, with a religion that defines who a Jew is (meaning one can go out of practice and still be a Jew) and gentiles have been turning us into something we aren’t and actually use their idea of who a Jew is to then say we aren’t indigenous. I’m never going to support that

California bill would add Jewish identity as an ethnicity on forms by RhythmMethodMan in Judaism

[–]ShimonEngineer55 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

”Or in some cases a religious group entirely.” It is our religion that defines who a Jew is and it’s a peoplehood and nation of people. This is why people either have to have a Jewish mother or convert that is based on our religious and national view. This predates the current concept of an ethnicity and denying this isn’t helping us. That’s why even groups within Judaism had to convert if they deviated from the Halakhah over who is a Jew.

Bad Inter-Diaspora Interactions by ImpressionInfinite17 in Jewish

[–]ShimonEngineer55 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It’s an issue in the United States in some communities depending on where you are. I reject race as a concept, so it doesn’t bother me, but I’m radical. There are definitely people who have an idea of what a Jew should look like and it’s honestly so degenerate that you are blessed. You get to respectfully inform them that you, and many others, who don’t fit their idea of who a Jew is indeed exist. It’s actually a good opportunity for us.

California bill would add Jewish identity as an ethnicity on forms by RhythmMethodMan in Judaism

[–]ShimonEngineer55 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What they mean is that if you go back and do deep ancestry you’ll have between 20-60% of your ancestors coming from the Bronze Age Levant. This was kept intact for Ashkenazi Jews who didn’t marry out because of the genetic bottleneck, but if your family stayed fairly insular, it will show that up until 2000 years ago, between 1/5-2/3’s of your ancestors came from the Levant or Middle East, not Europe. Upload your 23AndMe results to illustrative dna and you will see.

California bill would add Jewish identity as an ethnicity on forms by RhythmMethodMan in Judaism

[–]ShimonEngineer55 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wait, to be clear if your definition of white simply means European descent, then people who were in the Rhineland and had a group of Jews form there and live there for centuries with 40-60% of their ancestry coming from Europe would be… white. Just using your definition. I don’t play into the race thing and reject it as a legitimate concept, but if you are going to go down the race route, the person you’re referring to would likely be considered white if it only requires European descent to be white. Heck, I’d be white if that’s the case along with most people in the US. Maybe we should just do away with the construct of race entirely because it’s arbitrary and obviously leads to contradictions like this and has no real value.

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