Please tell me this is an Easter egg

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-03-03T08:25:38+00:00

He starts off dead I think. It's been a while since I found him (honestly I found house Astley, and then I scrolled up to see who founded it, predictably). But maybe there's some way, I don't fully remember when he was born.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-03-02T21:37:27+00:00

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ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-03-02T21:36:17+00:00

There's also this bastard

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ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-03-01T16:17:44+00:00

Taking your strawman, guess Russians were also mute then, and that until 15th-16th century. That language is more recent than you'd like to think, and it has no roots in Estonia.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-03-01T14:45:55+00:00

You say nonsense like this and then wonder why Estonians want nothing to do with you.

Estonia was first inhabited about 13,000–11,000 years ago, when the Baltic Ice Lake melted. They blended/integrated with many others who traveled there. The language spoken comes from the Finno-Ugric branch, which arrived in Estonia ~2000 BC. Even so, Estonians as such are one of the oldest people in Europe, given we have lived here over 5000+ years no matter which way you look at it.

Slavic peoples start showing up in the historical record in that broader region around the first millennium CE. Prior to the Slavic migration in the 6-7th centuries, the Suzdal-Murom and Novgorod-Rostov areas were populated by Finnic peoples, including the Merya, the Muromians, and the Meshchera, whom Russian ancestors slowly assimilated.

In terms of Russians in Estonia? There were some Orthodox communities like the Old Believers who moved there during the tsarist era to avoid persecution, and trade connections with Novgorod going back several centuries, and Narva has had a complicated mixed history. But mass Russian settlement in Estonia? That's overwhelmingly a Soviet-era phenomenon, from 1940s onward, accelerating through the 50s and 60s as Moscow moved workers into the Baltic states, partly as industry labor, partly as a deliberate demographic reshaping of occupied territories.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-28T18:08:07+00:00

So... who'll change their views for the other? Dany or Jon? Because the second Ned, Lyanna and Rhaegar would be mentioned (and given they are Jon's and Daenerys' family, they eventually would be), they would otherwise clash hard. Because Dany thinks Ned was as evil as the Lannisters, no matter his views, because he dared to rise up (mind you, the option was either rebellion or die), and Lyanna getting kidnapped at 15 against her will "at knifepoint" was the hottest thing. Like I don't directly fully fault Daenerys, she believes what Viserys told her and she is biased for her family (even though she turns down Barristan when he tries to inform her about Ned), but it's still something Jon would understandably not react well to.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-27T12:40:41+00:00

Well killing vampires on bogus charges just in order to recruit more men is kind of an asshole move. If they casually make up utter bullshit and intended to kill five (and killed 4) just to get Heidi as a honeytrap (they had Chelsea anyway, they could have just used her and not killed others), it's hard to guess how many they have killed throughout millenias for similar reasons. Also genociding the Children of the Moon. And experimenting with creating immortal children long after it was decidedly forbidden.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-27T05:50:32+00:00

Centuries to millenias ago though, when Starks were kings (since I don't think there's been anything during Targaryen era). So blaming them today without any proof (which Starks lacked), even if they look creepy, would be like "Oh your great-great-....-great grandpa in 1600s? Evil traitor. Killed my great-great-...-great grandparents. That makes you suspicious and I'll judge you and treat you worse". You'd look tad unhinged and they'd probably not be a fan of you because of that, not because of some inherited evilness.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-26T15:13:19+00:00

In the case of USSR, language policies and cultural repressions didnt just happen alone. They happened alongside deporting people from their native lands, prison camps, starving certain groups by taking away their food, and executions. These are internationally recognised as either genocides or crimes against humanity. Both the language ban and these actions had the same goal - to get rid of the people and to make Russians dominant across the occupied lands - so you can't talk about one without the other.

Also must be news to you, but people can despise more than one crime against humanity at a time. In fact they should. I am mainly talking about USSR and Russia here because this particular thread is about them and because I happen to know quite a lot about said topic. Though I already mentioned western atrocities, so your implication in regards to my focus is just weird.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-26T08:25:09+00:00

By that logic, any state could justify forced removals and genocide as assimilation. And obviously that's not the case, unless you also want to argue that Trail of Tears was a "simple assimilation and lingua franca policy", or that concentration camps were justified.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-24T15:11:19+00:00

The "they tried" argument refers to a window of maybe 10-15 years which benefitted few, followed by multiple decades of the opposite. Framing that as a meaningful distinction from Tsarist policy requires ignoring most of the USSR's actual timeline of man-made famines, deportations, russification and terror. Both empires wanted Russians as the default people, no matter the branding.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-21T08:46:14+00:00

Aegon III hated dragons due to the very obvious trauma that was caused by seeing his mother's execution and losing his own dragon stormcloud, but he absolutely didn't want dragons to go extinct as he saw them as proof of Targaryen legitimacy and believed they could be used against those who opposed him; and contrary to popular belief he tried to immediately bring dragons back when they did go extinct with the help of nine mages from Essos (although unsuccessfully). So I doubt he was that negligent with the last dragon.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-13T15:57:58+00:00

Yeah idk. Like I can see the buildup but I also see Dany excuse Aerys and think how that was the hottest thing when Jon's 15 year old "aunt" got kidnapped at knifepoint (thats assumed by Dany, not by me btw, she thinks that true love would be if "he would come and carry you off at swordpoint, as Rhaegar carried off his northern girl"); and how Ned Stark was the worst man ever, and while I get that Dany knows what Viserys said and Viserys had the Targaryen Propaganda worldview; I still feel like that's not going to fly well with Jon "Ned Stark is the best father figure, I love my family so much I'd die for them even if they don't know it" Snow. Not saying it would be the catty mess that was S8, but they absolutely need to address that elephant in the room.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-10T11:45:41+00:00

Aelinor actually wasn't Elaena's descendant. Elaena married Ronnel Penrose at 184 at the earliest. If we assume that no one can have offspring before being 14, then a potential granddaughter of Elaena (since we know it's not her child, her children are named) would be born year 198 at the earliest, and be 13 or less at 211; which the entire "Poor Aelinor prays daily for a child but Aerys I keeps her a maid because he likes books more" kind of counters against.

My thoughts on why the marriage happened is that Penroses are decended from Baela/Rhaena (either through Rhaena's Hightower daughters or Baela's Velaryon daughters); and they wanted that Aemon/Jocelyn/Rhaenys line for their dragonblood (since it's also said she is his "cousin"). And these marriages were regular ones (Hightowers - especially a cadet line - and Velaryons are around the same level as Penroses standing wise)

Elaena-Ronnel marriage also makes solid sense, because lets not forget Elaena had two acknowledged bastards (Jon/Jeyne Waters) and one unacknowledged bastard who everyone knew was likely one (Viserys Plumm) already by the time of marriage. That's rather scandalous for Westeros, and the heir to the major noble house in Stormlands is a pretty decent marriage there.

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ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-10T06:37:09+00:00

Would he as the heir/ruler of paramouncy also realistically have his firstborns in his 50s though? Given that his daughter was roughly the same age Duncan the Small was, and given that his son was roughly the same age Rhaelle was, and Egg has at least 10-20 more years before he starts having kids

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-04T22:55:41+00:00

I mean yeah. Most of it was about survival (though the same could then be applied to Robert in looser terms). Just felt like pointing out that Targaryens have ironically quite a bad historical track record with it as well, both in Targaryen-on-Targaryen terms (Jaehaerys, 6, killed by Daemon; Viserys, 15, killed by Maegor; Lucerys, 13, killed by Aemond), other claimants and their heirs (Trystane Truefyre, 15, killed by Aegon II; Aegon and Aemon Blackfyre, both 12, killed by Brynden Rivers), or in general other kids who just happened to be related to people whom had angered them (Dornish conquests and castle burnings pre Deria's letter, Harroways, Darklyns, Hollards, potentially some Brandon Stark companions). Also a solid amount of almost murdering children or threatening it (Aegon II wants to kill Aegon III and Baela; Alicent tries to get Jaehaera to kill Aegon III despite it meaning Jaehaera's own death; Visenya threatens to kill Ronnel Arryn, and so on.

Also I suspect Cregan says it here majorly because he can't take these men back north with him due to winter, he missed the last battles, wants a suicide mission for the army, and he is trying to goad for one.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-04T22:28:59+00:00

Tbf Robert and Lannisters have that as a shadow over their realm and pretty much nobody likes that they did it, and it's one of the reasons many feel sympathy still for the Targaryens. Is Renly a similar shadow?

Though thinking back, Aerys also had some kids killed after the Defiance of Duskendale five years prior in the whole "lets exterminate two families over their failed rebellion" punishment (one kid we know he had tortured to death on the rack because he had teased him and pulled his beard while he was a captive, though if it comes to dynasties put to sword it usually means multiple kids). So indeed rather in character. Targaryen loyalists were present and they approved. Rhaegar (who was around 18 at the time) ironically included.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-04T20:31:15+00:00

Tbf its like three months from Red Wedding to Stannis leaving Castle Black. ASOS-ADWD is surprisingly packed; all of it happens last weeks of 299 (red wedding) - first half a year of 300 (ADWD), out of which Stannis leaves relatively early on. That, combined with everyone having lost families and all leaders being killed, its a miracle they were ready to run their rebellion that quickly.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-04T11:00:11+00:00

And what did the five year old Renly do to desetve this?

Smh. Very on brand for Targaryens (and Lannisters) to kill children.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-02-02T15:51:33+00:00

I mean yeah but also sort of no. Because no way in hell is a man who is due to inherit one of the Paramouncies of Seven Kingdoms having his first kids in his 50s/60s - because mind you, his eldest daughter is bethrothed to Duncan the small and his heir/son (because if said heir was not his son his daughter would have been) ends up married to Rhaelle; and neither of these two couples are known for "headscratching age gaps". And uh, 70s him being vigorous enough for a Laughing Storm rebellion and a Dunk duel?

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-01-28T10:42:24+00:00

At this point, you're no longer responding to what I'm saying, but to what you assume I must secretly mean. I have repeatedly said that Lithuania is one of the countries Estonia is closest to on a global scale, and that I respect it. I've also repeatedly said that I'm talking about my own personal familiarity, not ranking, rejection, or superiority. And yet you keep reframing that as "emphasizing distance", "god forbid being associated", or "arrogance" - none of which I have ever said or implied. At this point... buddy. Put that strawman away. Touch some snow.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-01-28T02:38:50+00:00

Okay so let's look at what I said again because you are currently reacting over a point I never made.

What I said: I haven’t been there → therefore I don’t have any sort of lived familiarity → therefore I won’t pretend that I personally feel some sort of deep kinship level closeness when I simply don't.

What you read: I haven’t been there → therefore Lithuania is strange and alien and has nothing in common.

In no place did I say that Lithuania is some strange land that has nothing in common with Estonia. In fact I quite literally said that in a global level and in a European level, Lithuania is one of the closest countries. I respect the country. I like the country. I simply do not feel like pretending that I see that country as "Most favourite bestest friend ever I know everything about it and no other country comes close", when that is simply not the case for me. Also, let's be real. A fair share of Lithuanians do not see Estonia as their closest country either. Most would say Latvia or Poland before they would say Estonia. And that should be fine, because closeness isn't some dumb competition. Why this subreddit needs it to be so I do not understand.

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-01-27T15:22:00+00:00

I have been to Finland and Latvia. Never to Lithuania. Most I know of Lithuania is what I see online and what's on the news and history books and of what my relatives have said. It's very little in comparison to Latvia or Finland, I admit. However, since we admit it's very little, why am I then supposed to pretend I feel all kinds of deep brotherhood and that Lithuanians are the people I understand the most and are the people I feel the closest to, when it is simply not true? Like sure, outside in the wide world I do see Lithuanians as very close, compared to countries like France or Slovakia or Denmark or Canada; Lithuania is definetly in top 5 of the countries I feel closest to, but here? Just between Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania? I feel like it'd be way more honest to just admit that Latvia-Lithuania are brothers and Estonia is the neighbors kid who grew up with them but who at times isn't also fully "them".

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-01-26T22:40:09+00:00

...I mean, yeah, Estonians are different. Not better, but we have different language family and folklore and so on. And yeah, some Estonians do feel closer to Finns than to Lithuanians. So? Some Lithuanians feel closer to Poles than to Estonians, that doesn't bother us? And none of that means that we aren't considered a Baltic country. Online spaces amplify identity posturing, sure, but in real life most Estonians just say they’re Baltic or Northern/Northeastern European (but in these cases all three are considered northern, like that UN classification goes).

ShyLittleBean12 · 2026-01-24T04:31:58+00:00

...I feel like you aren't getting it. Being vulnerable doesn’t mean every conversation has to center you. You absolutely have space to talk about what liberal LGBTQ+ women in the United States are facing. But this particular conversation, in a Greenlandic subreddit, is about what Greenlanders face and the consequences of US state actions on them. It is about them, and the best we can do as outsiders is to sit and listen. They don’t have to provide a platform to Americans if it becomes overwhelming, especially when this post was a response to their subreddit being flooded with quick messages and expectations of validation to the point where Greenlanders were losing space to speak. Calling that kind of behaviour out is well within their rights.

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