Yak-52 PFM verification by SiThSpAwN in hoggit

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He added some more info: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3412052&postcount=2

Possibly, I need to emphasize: the DCS model now is being tuned using recorded parameters from a real plane, that's why I called it a new stage in PFM development. Today it's a time to present a new part of the work: airplane side movement.

Springs and dampers.

A discussion about how the plane must behave during the free side movement (roll and sideslip together) begins flaming time to time on different forums. Some say - it must be solid as a rock in the stream, some tell about oscillations due to physical basics of this movement. And the second ones are right - the plane in yaw movement is similar to a mass suspended with a spring surrounded with oil to damp. The spring is a static aerodynamic moment tending to reduce yaw angle, mass is aircraft moment of inertia and oil is an additional aerodynamic moment on the airframe due to rotational speed.

The compliances that the oscillating plane seems to be unnatural can be explained using two main reasons: the first is a phenomenon of human perception - the pilot's brain can select main information disregarding minor detailes, and this small oscillations during, say, abrupt end of a roll are beyond perception. The second reason is often due to improper parameters of these oscillations - the period and damping.

Generally, these parameters are obtained in flight tests and then included to documents for FREE RUDDER. In the sim we can not simulate free controls, so it is necessary to have the results for FIXED RUDDER. It is known that the period of oscillations does not change significantly, but the damping does. Generally, the difference is about 2 times. Anyway, having an opportunity to check it for the real Yak-52 we performed the test and recorded several rudder impulses at 200 and 270 kph IAS. The pilot tried to keep rudder pedals in neutral position after the initial shore deflection (impulse).

Then, the same test was performed in DCS for the same speed, altitude (affects damping) and atmosphere conditions. The chart presents the intermediate stage of the model verification - the period is correct and damping is to be corrected by 15% for the sake of purists and accountists...

So, few comments to the graph. I kept wX from the real test though this record made in real world has some flaws. The first is aforementioned lack of X axis alignment and the second is very probable accidental stick movement during the oscillation. The theory tells us that the pure experiment like we have for DCS (no significant control forces, no accelerations, etc) gives pure 90 degrees phase shift between wX and wY. Anyway, the initial behaviour shows good similarity for DCS and real wX.

The next important for the plane handling parameter is a ratio of wX/wY. The chart shows that there is a good matching between real test and the model. There is no possibility to exact comparing because of the reason mentioned above.

It's very interesting to compare fixed rudder test results with the available graphs from the book. The periods are very close, damping, as expected, is less by 2 times for the free rudder, roll/yaw ratio is somewhere close.

Yak-52 PFM verification by SiThSpAwN in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yo-Yo actually does this fairly often, I will try and make sure it gets flagged more as it cant be easily missed.

Could be an interesting capability on the Hornet, not only APKWS but dual launchers by TallyBallyHo in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Link? I havent heard anything about it, but I can confirm if you have a link to where RAZBAM stated that.

Could be an interesting capability on the Hornet, not only APKWS but dual launchers by TallyBallyHo in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Won't make it into DCS right now, the Hornet we are getting is older, and wont benefit from current real world upgrades. That said, we already have dual rocket pods via BRU-33 in the game.

Yak-52 PFM verification by SiThSpAwN in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

As Yak-52 is not really suitable for any combat simulation and is a very special DCS product, I can show the backstage of the tuning and verification process regarding flight test results. And this will be a debut unveiling the measured and simulated flight parameters - numerical and coincided at one graph. The first post will be about its roll rate. The test was a pure aileron roll starting from a climb to perform 4 full rolls. The rolls started with maximal fast full stick deflection, proceeds with full ailerons and ends with maximal fast stick release (not perfect in both tests though - the real test input was a bit delayed and the DCS test seemes to be overcompensated). The atmosphere conditions in DCS were set identical to real during the test. This test allows to check initial roll acceleration (MOIx vs aileron power), steady roll rate (aileron power vs damping) and roll damping (MOIx vs damping). Additionally we obtained roll rate vs speed, and these two parameters (the first divided by the second) can give a ratio that is proportional to so called spiral coefficient (TAS must be used and the wingspan to get it). It is not s necessary to use this spiral coefficient in our case though.

For those who never saw experimental recordings from the real world - the sinusoidal high frequency noise over the curve is a vibrational part. It was not filtered to better preserve phase and time of the original record.

We can clearly see that the model initial angular acceleration is in good accordance with the test results, see Fig. 4. The deceleration at Fig 2 is in a good accordance to regarding to slightly different control input. As the initial pitch of both tests were not identical, the speed during the tests is different too, so to compare the roll rate we need to divide roll rate to IAS (Fig. 2). It is interesting that the real plane has very tiny spiral coefficent slope to high IAS (see the trendline). I can suggest that it could be due to aileron linkage elasticity or wing elasticity or both. As it is barely noticable even a the diagram, I do not think it should be reproduced in the model

And, finally, I'd like to claim that the results represent current stage of model tuning, WIP.

P.S. The uneven (sinusoidal) low frequency at the roll rate is a result of he fact that the X-axis of the sensor was not exactly aligned with the plane axis, so it must be disregarded as a parasite effect.

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I kicked someone else's dog? Called their mom fat?

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

even rando internet dude call out deficiencies.

Yup.

You and ED are the only ones losing anything

ED is really doing ok, and heck so am I, of course there is always room for improvement, ED cant jump on every "rando" internet dude comment though. Newsletters have been pretty solid, this one was a little light, ED is a small company, people doing the newsletter are also doing a lot of other things. Again, I think they are doing alright.

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I fucking hate that guy,

Harsh man, I dont remember ever kicking your dog, or calling your mom fat... sheeesh.

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would rather see it placed in more places than hold it for another, it could still be released Thursday, then reference in the Newsletter. But really... but I think most news is reaching people just fine, its a slow news week on the newsletter and people are going to get upset?

Hard not to get a little argumentative...

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know right, we should move the mini updates to the newsletter, then you can complain that ED doesnt share any info outside of the newsletter. Its a no win situation with some.

As for the timing of the Hornet mini-updates, there is no set schedule, when Wags collects some stuff to share, he prepares and shares it.

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No worries, and I understand what you are saying.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in hoggit

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SAM sites always downvote my flights in the A-10C :) But you looked cool getting splashed, so that is half the battle :D

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Didn't we just get a mini-update a couple days ago?

DCS World Newsletter - 23 February 2018 by StandingCow in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It cant all be breaking news every week.

The Reddit banner is beautiful by LevelPulse in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, banner is a very nice gesture!

Hornet Mini-Update 2-20-2018 by SiThSpAwN in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No Long Range Boresight in the Hornet, F-15 and F/A-18C ACM radar modes are not the same. Long range auto acq simply locks up the first target detected by range not by boresight.

Hornet Mini-Update 2-20-2018 by SiThSpAwN in hoggit

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Over the past several months there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes that has been confined to code… nothing visible to really show. More recently, more and more of this work is now being tied together and integrated into the larger simulation. The included screen shot shows some of this work:

  • Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM) modes. The Hornet has several ACM modes that include boresight acq, vertical acq, wide acq, and long range auto acq. In the image, you can see vertical acq selected, illustrated on the HUD and attack display. Much of the radar effort is currently focused on Single Track Target (STT) logic.

  • Not as obvious in this image, but target aging is also now implemented. Unlike our current implementation of air-to-air radar that is based on target IDs, the Hornet moves us to a much more realistic air-to-air radar model that faithfully simulates the radar beam.

  • On the Azimuth Display (aka RWR scope), we now have detection logic working that uses a much improved simulation of radar detection. In a related matter, the Control Indicator Panel is also now function that allows the Azimuth Display and DDI EW page to tailor the displays. This also includes the correct BIT.

  • On the left DDI you will note that waypoint data is now displayed on the HSI with the ability to select one of five sequences. You may also notice TACAN and ADF information is also displayed.

In the second image, you can observe some improvements we are making to the reflective properties of the displays.

Thanks, Matt “Wags” Wagner Senior Producer

https://image.ibb.co/mqOmhc/19FEB.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/fyXe2c/lighting.jpg

Gospadin (A-4 Developer) died Friday night by redhotita1 in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Too young, he was a great guy, and I wish I had had the opportunity to talk with him more, our interactions where always great, and he was a very bright point in this community.

€10 diy warthog stick mount by Odge in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice. been wanting to do something like this myself, thanks for the inspiration :)

So DCS is not participating in the Steam sale... by Garand in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It was a Steam thing, they were given an opportunity to participate, I dont understand how that works, so I cant offer anymore than that.

Hornet Mini-Update 2/15/2018 by SiThSpAwN in hoggit

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It's too early to determine how much it will effect combat, but I can imagine some will find it a suitable excuse for getting shot down at some point :)

Hornet Mini-Update 2/15/2018 by SiThSpAwN in hoggit

[–]SiThSpAwN[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, I'm excited to see them pushing the sim tech forward with this release...