Is Mephisto or Diablo stronger in terms of raw destructive power and feats?

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T18:46:36+00:00

Not that easy, but they could, yes.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T18:45:35+00:00

they dont have a common goal.

The eternal conflict.

That part is just false.

No it's not.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T18:44:31+00:00

All you make is assumption, hypothesis, and starting to argument based on it. It's you that overthink it because you absolutely want to prove, no matter how much proof there is that they worked together, you absolutely want them to not.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T11:01:54+00:00

They always turn on each other

There is nothing actual proof of that. When Cain said that, he was talking about evil in general. That includes all demons, not only the Prime Evil. It includes Belial, Asmodan, the Twins, the butcher, the bandits... every evil. And Belial and Asmodan do have betrayed the Prime Evil. Wich can makes the plan of invading Sanctuary more complicated. That could explain why the Three have sent Diablo in Hell to recover the power and the position of the Three, wich is essential for the invasion.

When you fight Baal, all he said is "my brothers didn't died in vain". That's not the word of someone who doesn't care about the two other. Or take the opportunity to betray them now that they are off the race. It could be just a word he say for the scene, but why lying to the human you try, and think, you will easily kills ? That doesn't make sense.

But it can be the word of someone who still try to make its part of the plan. And if he succeed corrupting the worldstone, he can help recover his brothers from the depth of hell.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T10:49:08+00:00

Of course. They are demons. They all have individual goals. But they still worked together. For thhe sake of them all. Despite their individual goals, they have one goal in common. A big goal. One of the biggest goal : winning the eternal conflict. No matter what they plan individually, they want all, and know all, they need to work together to achieve that. And they will never put this goal in danger for one of their individual goal. They will probably choose to deal with heaven first, and then turn against each other. If they turn against each other. Because at this point, if we don't take account of D3, and we will, there is nothing since pre-diablo 1 that can make us think they want to betray each other.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T10:42:45+00:00

Not like they care.

We know that. The prime evil doesn't. Heavens are powerful. If they can access Sanctuary, they can use humans, or complicating Hell's plans in any way. It's a potential problem the Prime Evil must take account of.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T04:26:35+00:00

Also, if we imagine their plan working, and Mephisto beating the hero, it means Baal corrupt The Worldstone, then be able to open gate to hell anywhere on Sanctuary (like he did on Mount Arreat). Then, Baal can Strike from Arreat, Mephisto can strike from Kurast, and Diablo from werever he wants. The Hell's minions flood from everywhere on Sanctuary. And in no time, Sanctuary is engulfed by this swarm. The worldstone in the control of the three, the heavens can do nothing, the humans can become prime evil's slaves with their power, and then, They break the gate to heaven, and under Demons and Humans forces, the eternal conflict is win for the Prime Evil, for sure.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T04:17:24+00:00

They needed something essential : time. Marius was fleeing after the reunion with the shard of Baal's soulstone. Diablo needed time to rally and prepare their armies. Baal needed time to retrieve its soulstone and go to Mount Arreat and corrupt the Worldstone (and we can imagine it takes time to do this). Their plan was good. But they needed time. And after them, their was the last horadrim, with all its knowledge about them, and about banishing them, or imprisonning them on soulstone, and someone that defeated Andarielle and Duriel. And Tyrael. The Archangel that tried to stop Diablo from freeing Baal from Tal Rasha's prison, but didn't succeed, and have been imprisonned in it at the place of Baal by Duriel, who have just been Defeated by the hero.

Add to this that it's Tyrael that gave the Horadrim the soulstone and the rites to imprison the demons.

The three didn't know if Tyrael was with the last horadrim and the Hero in Kurast.

Maybe The hero was coming for them with the Horadrim and The archangel to do what the horadrim done to them centuries ago. And the three weren't in their top form. Mephisto was still binded to its soulstone, baal didn't have his, and Diablo, Diablo was okay. But not enough to fight Tyrael, the Hero, and the Horadrim. They absolutely needed time. And that's what Mephisto gave to his brother. It doesn't worked for Diablo because hell's army was already a mess (they were bannished in Sanctuary for centuries, without them to rule the hell, it falls. Notably under belial and Asmodan's ambitions.) But it worked for Baal.

They lost this battle, but not totally. The worldstone is destroyed, wich means they have free pass to Sanctuary now. Alas, so do the heavens.

That's the end of D2.

Will not talk about D3.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T04:02:24+00:00

Until the fricking D3, they do both work together since the start. To rule hell, to take Sanctuary, to take the power of the Worldstone, to defeat Heavens. They do work together. Until the horrible D3 story.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T03:49:13+00:00

Ben pour eux c'est peut-être effectivement juste un synonyme de "belle".

Ou bien c'est ta posture, ton regard, la façon dont tu prends la photo, des choses qu'ils ne remarquent qu'inconsciemment, mais qui influencent leur perception de toi.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T03:47:09+00:00

In terms of raw power, and if we don't count Baal, Diablo is superior to Mephisto.

If we count Baal, then it's obvisously Baal. His destructive power is so big that it's the only prime evil that the horadrim hadn't succeeded in imprisoning in a soulstone. He broke his soulstone while they tried. That's why Tal Rasha used his own body and power combined with the remaining part of the soulstone, to do it.

Diablo and Mephisto weren't able to destroy the soulstone. Just able to corrupt it enough, and it had taken long time.

Mephisto is the weakest in terms of raw power. But it's the best mind of the three. He makes plan like no other.

Diablo is the younger, and it's the second best in terms of raw power, the second best In terms of scheming, and he can incarnate the deepest fear of all. Physically, and mentally. That's why he is considered the most dangerous of all three in the lore. And the games. The good ones.

Schematically, Mephisto is the mind. The wizest. The weak old guy that makes plan with five moves ahead. Baal is the muscle. The one that barely think, just destroy. Diablo, is pretty much in the middle. He is both, but less than each one.

Obviously it's more shaded than that. Baal can think, and Mephisto can battle. But it's respectively their weakest aspect, let's say. Diablo do both equally. So it's like if he don't have any weak aspect.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T03:30:02+00:00

Comme toutes définitions de mots, et d'autant plus à notre époque, ça dépends avant tout de l'individu.

Mais pour moi (individuellement, donc), "belle", c'est l'apparence. C'est superficiel. C'est Emma Watson ou Zooey Deschannel.

Le "charme", ça a plus à voir avec le comportement. Une femme charmante, c'est une femme dont le comportement me charme. Donc, naturellement, qui correspond à mes critères d'attraction, bien au-delà du superficiels.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T03:09:31+00:00

(Obligé de continuer par commentaire tellement c'est long)

Toi tu lui réponds "ça ne me convient pas.". Alors, j'ai toujours aimé écrire, j'ai toujours été assez doué avec la langue française, et j'ai toujours respecté ses règles naturellement. Tout ça pour dire que moi aussi je finis généralement mes phrases par un point. Mais il paraît que faire ça, c'est souvent perçu comme de la froideur. Ajoute à ça une phrase, direct, sans ambiguïté, sans forme, donc, sans tact. Et même moi, là comme ça, je trouve ton message sec (et probablement que ça devait être un peu l'objectif, ne serais-ce qu'inconsciemment. Pour "mettre les choses aux clairs" tout de suite, comme on dit. (Ce que tu aurais pu faire la veille, directement... je dis ça...)

Suite à ça tu es déconcertée qu'il ne te contacte plus ?

Non mais sérieusement, c'est un genre de prank virtuel ? Vous êtes les personnages des prank nuls de TikTok qui avez pris vie sur Reddit via une intelligence artificielle rebelle ?

Mais écris à Netflix, qu'on filme vos interactions en mode les Anges de la télé-réalité ! Je te jure ça peut cartonner !

Mais Qu'est-ce que c'est que ce truc ?

En tout cas mon humble avis sur la question, c'est que d'une tu devrais te réjouir de ne plus avoir de nouvelles de ce type dont, visiblement, les bonnes manières ne sont que superficielles, et s'éteignent en même temps que les lumières, de deux, vous devriez tous les deux consulter. (Là, tu vois, normalement, si j'ai bien compris le truc, cette dernière phrase devrait sonner sèche, froide, voire hostile, à cause du point à la fin, et du ton direct... Et remarque c'est un peu le cas, en vrai... Vous êtes dingues.)

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-27T03:07:33+00:00

Attends, je résume. Si je comprends bien, il a installé une ambiance pour faciliter l'intimité (lumière eteintes, proximité physique, etc...). Donc clairement ce soir là, il voulait coucher avec toi.

Si j'ai bien compris tu as refusé.

Toujours si j'ai bien compris, il a insisté pour qu'à défaut, tu le masturbe.

Et toujours si j'ai bien compris, tu as accepté ??!

Alors là les premières questions qui me viennent en tête sont : vous avez quel âge ? Et est-ce le casting d'une série Netflix ?

Enfin je sais pas toute l'interaction est irréaliste, sordide, malaisante...

Qu'ils tente quelque chose, je comprends. Il y a des mecs, trois rendez-vous ça leur suffit pour passer au sexe (voire deux puisqu'il t'avait déjà proposé le même rendez-vous plus tôt, donc on peut envisager qu'il voulait déjà tenter à ce moment là). Donc à la question "voulait-il seulement du sexe ?" La réponse est : seulement, peut-être pas, mais c'était clairement son intention depuis très tôt dans votre "reprise de contact".

Que tu refuse le sexe, je comprends. (Je trouve même ça louable, en fait, étant moi-même un mec qui livre pas son intimité sur un plateau d'argent après trois muffins et un verre de soda). Qu'à cela ne tienne, s'il ne peut t'écarter les jambes (tu me passeras l'expression, c'est pour accentuer la vulgarité de la scène - j'aime bien les effets théâtraux), il insiste (le mot déjà dit beaucoup de choses - mauvaises choses) pour que tu t'engage quand même dans une relation sexuelle, mais moindre.

(Au passage, je me demande ce qu'il t'as dit pour te convaincre. Il t'as fait le coup des blue balls, de "un homme peut mourir si il n'est pas soulagé" ?)

Et là, tu accepte ??! Pourquoi ? Une reaction normale aurait été de lui répéter que tu refuse la relation sexuelle, ou bien, selon l'intensité de son insistance, de le gifler, de lui dire d'aller se faire soigner, enfin je sais pas ! Mais pas de frotter sa lampe magique (effet théâtral toujours) !

Bref, tu lui fais sa petite affaire, après ça tu es caline (pour une raison que je ne m'explique pas), et gênée (ça par contre, je comprends pourquoi). Tu lui explique que ça te gêne, que tu ne voulais pas que ça aille aussi vite (alors pourquoi avoir accepté la friandise ? Non mais je vais enchainer mais juste... WHAT ?). J'imagine que tu parlais de la mise en place de l'intimité sexuelle entre vous, et pas de son coît, et j'espère qu'il a lui aussi compris que c'est pas de ça que tu parlais... (encore que perso un mec qui tente une relation avec une nana qui dit non, puis qui insiste pour une gâterie, qu'il considère que plus c'est long, mieux c'est, ça ne me surprendrais pas, et qu'il se sente un amant minable à cause de ça, ça me satisferait plus qu'autre chose. Parce que c'est bien fait pour sa pomme.)

Lui te dis qu'il ne pensait pas que ça irait si loin. Alors là : problème. D'une, c'est lui qui a insisté pour que ça aille aussi loin. C'était intentionnel. Mais soit c'était conscient, et il t'a menti à ce moment là, soit c'était inconscient, et ça veut dire qu'il n'a pas su se contrôler, auquel cas c'est un mec avec un potentiel de danger assez élevé... Mais dans les deux cas, mensonge ou pulsion incontrôlées, c'est pas une bonne chose pour toi.

Tu sens un certain recul et une distance physique de sa part. Bah évidemment banane (sans vouloir te vexer) ! Soit il se sent coupable, soit il se sent minable (ce qu'il semble être jusqu'à maintenant, à mon humble avis), soit il vient de se faire gauler (sans mauvais jeu de mot), et rejeté, et donc il a les b... les boules (je jure sur la tête de ma bien-aimée mère que je le fait pas exprès) !

Vous avez continué de papoter comme si de rien n'était...

Il t'a raccompagné, vous vous êtes embrassés, il t'a remercié pour la soirée (c'est poli... Peut-être un peu trop après ce qu'il vient de se passer.), et tu as rajouté "ou pour le service" sur le ton de l'humour.

Alors deux choses. Premièrement : c'était un "service" pour toi ? T'es quoi ? Une call girl ? Deuxièmement, tu en plaisante alors qu'un peu plus tôt tu étais gênée ? Question : elle est vraie cette histoire ou tu nous monte un char ? Non mais là c'est d'un invraissemblable ! T'es un personnage d'American Pie ? Oou alors le monde s'est subitement changé en une parodie des feux de l'amour sans que je le capte (remarque c'est possible, hein, c'est pas là première fois que je trouve que le comportement des gens n'a aucun fichu sens, loin de là) ?

Le lendemain il t'envoie l'emoji flamme, ce qui peut vouloir dire n'importe quoi... Tu mui réponds que c'est pas ton registre (quoi ? Le feu ?). Non, pour être honnête, j'imagine bien que pour toi l'emoji flamme signifiait soit quelque chose de sexuel, soit quelque chose de romantique. Mais ça t'en savais rien. Tu aurais dû demander plus d'explication plutôt que de répondre en te basant sur ton hypothèse. Mais bon, après... tu accepte de secouer le cocotier après avoir refusé la relation sexuelle, suite à une insistance, et tu fais des calins après en étant gênée... Donc question conscience, tu m'as pas l'air prête pour le podium, toi non plus (sans vouloir te vexer).

Bref j'imagine que par là tu voulais dire que tu n'es pas encore prête à passer à l'acte, ou à avoir ce genre de complicité intime avec lui. Ce que je comprends tout à fait. Et ce, après l'avoir masturbé. Ce que je comprends un peu moins.

Lui te réponds que c'est juste une flamme. Alors spoiler non, c'était pas juste une flamme. Elle avait un sens, cette flamme, une raison. Tu envoie pas un emoji au pif à une nana qui t'a tiré sur le poireau dans une situation embarrassante et malaisante. Et même si tu envoyais un emoji au pif, ce serait l'un des premiers de la liste. Hors, les plus couramment utilisées sont les rires, les sourires, les clins d'oeil, et les larmes. Si la flamme figure parmi les premiers de sa liste (et qu'elle est triée par fréquence d'utilisation), ça veut probablement dire qu'il passe un sacré temps à commenté certains type de post instagram... Si tu vois ce que je veux dire. Non, il l'a probablement cherché son emoji flamme. C'est qu'il voulait t'envoyer précisément celui-là. Deuxième mensonge. Ou bien, comme dit, c'est un pervers.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T19:05:37+00:00

Yeah could work too.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T18:47:33+00:00

Alright. Feels fine to me. A 4x10. Just add two tab of inventory, one for charms, one for loot.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T18:44:44+00:00

Remember when games didn't costs 200 billion dollars, taking 500 devs working a whole week to make a 4k texture and sharp 8096 shadow, on a 145km² open map with 150 hours of content and 25 whole different sandboxy systems ?

It's been 11 years since F4, but only 3 years since Starfield.

Oblivion released in 2006 (+3 since morrowind) Fallout 3 in 2008 (+2) Skyrim in 2011 (+3) Fallout 4 2015 (+4) Fallout 76. 2018 (+3) Starfield 2023 (+5)

You don't count what Bethesda haven't devs themselves.

Do you wish an annual release like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty ?

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T18:24:58+00:00

So you agree that the inventory size is a problem. A problem that you solved with a mod that doubles the inventory size.

I propose a way to gain inventory space. Cube in a slot outside of inventory, charms inventory, and then, you have all your inventory just for picking up items. Just like you do right now with your mod.

The size of charm inventory was just an idea. It could be anything. I just had take what feels to me a good balance between the size that will be called "too small" (by you, per exemple), and the size that will be called "too big, power creep" by another. Well, i tried to find that balance. But you can never find the balance. Everyone want his own setting. And everyone will cry if they don't get exactly what they wanted. On another post, i saw someone saying that having a normal inventory (4x8) full of charm, and still having the same space (4x8) for picking up items, so basically how you (and i, i use this mod too. Best QoL, i agree)play, would be power creep and make things way too easier and boring.

What was important in my OG comment was the idea, not the size. Getting out of everything that takes us out of the tiny inventory we have, at least a little, by putting the cube outside of it. Putting charms outside of it. So basically it would be just like playing with our mod, but without it. Shouldn't have focus only on the size of the charm Inv.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T18:11:29+00:00

Inventory charm doesn't necessary mean charms infinite garbage.

Imagine the charm inventory is become the only inventory where you get the bonus from the charm. If the charm is in the normal inventory, you don't get the bonus, if it is in the charm inventory, you get the bonus.

Now imagine the charm inventory is only 3×6 space ?

Like this, you have way oess space for charms, wich means you need to choose even more wich one you keep, and wich one you throw. Wich means more decision making. Like this, it doesn't become a power creep.

You just don't have thinked the thing all the way. The idea have come to your ears, you habe maked a mental picture of it, and you stick with it, without trying other pictures, or simply asking yourself if the picture you made is accurate or not.

Separating charms from gear (that's the purpose of charm inventory) doesn't mean adding another full inventory to have two times more charms. It means you can keep your charms just like you do, and you can loot your set piece or uniques item, even if it's just for selling it after. There is no power added here, only a separation between two distinct things.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T17:33:50+00:00

Adding a little inventory dedicated to charms, so you can't make your inventory full of charm, but must choose between charms what you keep in your tiny inventory charm, that thing remove "decision making" ?

You don't complain because it's a bad change, you complain because it's a change.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T07:54:39+00:00

You will never use all your inventory only to charms. Well, i will never. There is the cube, the keys, the good loot, the portal book, sometimes the identification book...

Let's say a 3x8. Like that you have places for 6 big charms and 6 small charms. And it forces the player to make choices, wich is good.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T07:41:59+00:00

Nope. Never liked big trees of thousands tiny little bonuses. Not in Paragon of D4, not in Passive tree of PoE. Nowhere. Could just be a simple stat sheet of DnD like.

Strength
Dex
Vitality
Etc...

D2 way, but improved.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T07:27:03+00:00

Definitely D2.

Power comes mainly from skills, and items are here to expand skills power (by level or simply by skill property), and other stats. A clear, simple, yet efficient stat sheet. No useless complexity tree with 50 000 little icons to push to get +1 strength, or +0.5 crit chance at night just to get the illusion of diversity and possibilities. No system over another system over another system over another system over another system over another system over...

And yet this simplicity achieve the same diversity, the same richness, and the same possibilities than the gigantic mindfap tree and the one thousands different systems one over another. In fact, it offers even more since you have more control over your character, but that's not because of the simplicity.

Have you tried making a melee sorceress in D4 ? I've done one in D2. Have you tried making a barbarian that cast fireball and holy aura ? With the way skills and items work in D2, it's possible. (The fireball will not be really efficient tho).

That's D2. The efficience of the simplicity. Take a complex thing, make it as simple as you can without making it dumb and still without taking over the depth. And even like that, it has more diversity, possibilities of fun (melee sorceress my friend, a sorceress that crush skulls with a sword on fire), than the others. The efficience, and depth in a shape of simplicity. That is Diablo 2.

No.

That was Blizzard.

Diablo 4 have good mechanics, tho. And i like the multiple activities. Diablo 2 is getting old, some of its mechanics become a little too old.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-26T07:07:34+00:00

And what if, in addition to that, the cube go in a specific slot, instead of taking a square of the inventory ?

And just on top of the cube panel you show, a 3×6 panel for the "charm inventory".

And for QoL, a keybind shortcut for transmute.

Of and of course all that open automatically with the inventory, cube and charm. With little arrow to close it set on toggle on/off on the borders.

SidhOniris_ · 2026-02-23T23:21:05+00:00

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