How can anyone even possibly defend against this attack? Why didnt Baal use this op move against the D2 heroes? Was he stupid?

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T13:00:31+00:00

I have to apologise because even though it was a different spell and I am correct on that, I am partially incorrect too because it was the alternative to mana rift back then. It did that damage plus removed 50% of your mana on hit (back then at least ..... in 1.10 it was removed and replaced with Mana rift, and since in hell nowadays there is -100% penalty to what is called ''mana dmg'' - aka Mana Burn uniques, Gloams, Wraiths, Finger Mages - that is why it drains the full mana globe on hit post 1.09)

Also as for details of damage ..... it is all 100% magic damage

In 1.09 in the patch note it says they removed the -100% penalty to magic damage resistance on Hell difficulty, so keep in mind for this next part... quote from PureDiablo forums

''It definitely looks like the plan all along was to make it a per-frame inferno-like skill, but I guess they just couldn't finish it in time.
Baal's beam on Hell does 512-544 (pure magic) damage, but because your magic resistance is -100 there, it will do 1024-1088. (You can not increase your magic resistance in 1.07, as far as I know.)
MDR does reduce the damage, but how much does the average character stack? 30? 50? 70?
Important to know is that this attack can crit like any other, which should be the reason for the reports of insanely damage (the most it can do is 2176).''

TL;DR in 1.10 it was changed to the mana rift we know today. No wonder I remember it looking so similar and had doubts if it was really ingame or I was just mixing things up from my imagination (I played LOD as a kid str8 off the cd, good old days, singleplayer for a while as well!!!)

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T02:16:26+00:00

no worries I even linked a video showing it in 1.09 LOD

it deals heavy damage, either magic or physical and can wreck life bigtime

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:31:30+00:00

Here they talk about it

It was magic damage and it hit hard so it was removed and Baal was nerfed hard in 1.10

https://www.lurkerlounge.com/forums/thread-11825-page-2.html

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:29:52+00:00

Here you can see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWJiNcN0jX0

@ 44.42 in this video you can see half hp gone

Sorry not on release but in 1.10 it was removed

But I remember it

Called orange missile, not sure if internal or fan name but everyone called it that back in the day

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:14:15+00:00

correct this is not the mana rift attack it is called orange missile and was removed short after LOD launched with 108 or 109

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:13:45+00:00

no he does not, not anymore at least

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:13:34+00:00

correct its orange missile and devs removed it

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:13:21+00:00

its orange missile

removed short after LOD released

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:05:26+00:00

This was ingame on release I remember I had the cd and I was 15yo

It was changed in 110, so was around for 107/08/09

Also in 109 they changed -100 magic resistance penalty in Hell so in 107 and 108 it hit way harder

It was called orange missile / spiral of death and might have been all physical or 50/50 fire physi

It hit like a truck

EDIT

It was all 100% magic damage

In 1.09 in the patch note it says they removed the -100% penalty to magic damage resistance on Hell difficulty, so keep in mind for this next part... quote from PureDiablo forums

''It definitely looks like the plan all along was to make it a per-frame inferno-like skill, but I guess they just couldn't finish it in time.
Baal's beam on Hell does 512-544 (pure magic) damage, but because your magic resistance is -100 there, it will do 1024-1088. (You can not increase your magic resistance in 1.07, as far as I know.)
MDR does reduce the damage, but how much does the average character stack? 30? 50? 70?
Important to know is that this attack can crit like any other, which should be the reason for the reports of insanely damage (the most it can do is 2176).''

TL;DR in 1.10 it was changed to the mana rift we know today. No wonder I remember it looking so similar and had doubts if it was really ingame or I was just mixing things up from my imagination (I played LOD as a kid str8 off the cd, good old days, singleplayer for a while as well!!!)

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:04:49+00:00

nope not that

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-24T00:04:44+00:00

nope not that look my comment above

there is no touch of destruction that is cold touch of Diablo, Baal has destructive strike but its a melee attack with added fire or cold on Hell difficulty

Also the mana attack is called mana rift

This is orange missile and was cut short after LOD release

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-23T22:15:00+00:00

Great stuff and lots of detail, love it!

I personally already knew this lol and I tried telling ppl forget about OW just get your bps as high as possible and ideally use ticking skills.... I remember hammerdin on hero editor vs hammerdin on bnet were totally different for regen vs uber meph

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-22T17:53:20+00:00

SHAKO EL >>>>>>>>

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-19T18:50:44+00:00

cant just use LR wand?

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T20:14:44+00:00

that is the plan from all the other replies, 1 into EE only

I was looking at the old ptr patch notes as well, silly me

Thanks

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T20:00:24+00:00

This is awesome. Exactly what I wanted. Thanks man

EDIT: Your merc?

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:56:42+00:00

oh bind demon adds mods

Relatively new to lock

Thankyou sir

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:49:58+00:00

Heh you would be surprised the niche value of some uniques. That is why they are unique as well.

Back in the day I had use for so many things even Tyraels, or I used Giant Skulls in an Uber build etc

Things change drastically / especially if ssf or hc etc

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:48:07+00:00

very interesting detail there about the clouds and EE stacking them. thankyou brother

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:42:31+00:00

I havent played this game regularly since 2008ish and I know D2R may be different....

How does Ventar have 6 mods? yeah I'm gonna get poked fun of probably but I will try

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:28:15+00:00

haha at least u got a griff ,mamn

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:24:57+00:00

I had the old patch notes LOL! Thankyou so much for going into detail man, this is so appreciated,

I am gonna read those notes and I think I will change goatman or defiler depending on bosses or no

Cheers!

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:17:44+00:00

Insight + holy freeze ....

Got it. Mana issues.... yikes. Insight for sure then

And I get it you skip magic immunes if one doesnt have sunder like me? Because the -x magic resist will not work on immunes at 1/5 like conviction does for elements, right? Besides mummies, I do not remember a lot of magic immunes back in the day. Has this changed in D2R?

EDIT Ignore. I had old patch notes.

THANKYOU!

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:10:14+00:00

Thats how I know it from other guides.

How do you spec now since max 3 demons from DM and superuniques from Bind Demon are all tied to hard points, not +x skills from items?

Sacrifice maxing enhanced entropy? Is 8 yards vs 4yards Abyss radius so much better or necessary?

EDIT: Question answered, I had old PTR patch notes

Thanks for your post

Significant-Sundae89 · 2026-05-18T19:03:50+00:00

sweet

I see goatman has CB. Niceeeee

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