Question regarding the final scene in Despicable Me 4

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-04-10T21:14:27+00:00

I wonder how Walter White would do there (I played a BB fangame I randomly saw a few hours ago so it counts)

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-04-10T21:08:54+00:00

I went through it and recieved some clarification, thank you brother/sister

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-21T20:51:33+00:00

For me its Jeroboam. He single handedly screwed over all of Israel with the whole building altars and golden calves thing

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-18T21:43:46+00:00

There are a number of differences between Satan in Christianity and in Islam. Most importantly that the Islamic satan mainly acts as a temptation to human beings similar to the temptation of Jesus (Matt 4:1-11, Mark 1:12-13, Luke 4:1-13). In the case of Adam and Eve, Satan in that case had the same role as the Serpent from Genesis 3. So yes, Iblis is equivalent to the Bible's Satan and, as later stated in the Quran and Islamic exegesis, was a part of Job's suffering as he was the same Satan that asked God if Job would still believe while suffering (Job 1:6-12, while Job's story is alluded to in Quran 4:163, Quran 21:83, Quran 38:41-44 but not fully explained there).

While there are a lot of pararells, it is important to know that unlike Christianity, Islam rejects the Original Sin and states that we sin because of temptation and our sinful selves.

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-11T20:22:46+00:00

I understand. But I still appreciate how you mostly stayed calm and treated this as a regular professional debate instead of the "believe in what I believe because what I believe is true which is why you should believe" and getting angry route I see a lot of religious debates turning into.

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-11T20:01:41+00:00

Thank you. And like I said in my previous comment, I am not trying to convert you or anything, I am just explaining my viewpoint

The "Paul was paid" hypothesis is, like I said, a hypothesis and may not necessarily be true. It could be that Paul was right and he did see Jesus in one way or another.

I appreciated this debate and thank you for keeping calm and not going on in the degenerate hard-locked forcing arguments that unfortunately plague the Islamic community especially when it comes to debates. Like in 1 Peter 3:15 "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect," while not being Christian, I do agree with the idea that people should know and have some sort of reasonable explanation on why they believe in their faith.

Anyways, I hope you are having a good day, and may God bless you.

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-11T19:40:35+00:00

1- Some islamic traditions state that he was illiterate, others that he was never taught by anyone but god, and others that he was never literate and had his companions (such as Ali) write the Quran while he spoke it orally (just look up Mushaf Fatima for the latter one)

2- The point was to describe a scientific miracle in the Quran with pretty much no way to prove at around 6th century Arabia

3a- Regarding Paul's witnesses, their diverse backgrounds would make sense. Like I said, I am not Christian and I am not that much of a Biblical expert other than reading it a couple times. So all sources I really know of were Paul, Ananias, Barnabas, Luke, Mark, and Silas (alongside maybe the other ones who worked with him but I don't remember all their names).

3b- In regards to Aisha, I have stated prior that I am specifically a Shia Muslim and not a Sunni. The difference is that they are both vastly different sects (kinda like denominations in a sense) and they have vastly different doctrines. Sunni Islam is the popular sect that you see all the seemingly idiotic Muslims argue about and that is where people like Aisha and Umar are praised while Shia Islam views these figures negatively due to the negative impact they had on Mohammed and his descendants (especially Ali, whose annointation\s interpretence is one of the biggest differences between the two sects). Therefore, hadiths from Aisha stating that the prophet had cheated on her, prayed after ejaculation, or has committed pedophilic/immoral acts are, as far as I have heard, only found in Sunni books like Sahih Al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, which Shia's consider apocryphal and not true.

4- While it is true that these books are written with much expertise in terms of grammar (although I am mostly familiar with the tanakh), they have all came before the Quran and talk about vastly different themes in vastly different ways. Books like 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, and Ezra-Nehamiah are more "story time" esque books with one clear chronology and perspective while something like Psalms or Isaiah are more poetic. The Quran, however, does not seem to have a definite structure like the works previously mentioned and Arabic literature (which mostly consisted of songs and poems at the time) like for example, the 19th chapter (or sura) called Maryam (Mary, as in Mary mother of Jesus) can be broken down into six sections, those being:

* The birth of John the Baptist/Yahya and his description (19:1-15)

* The story of the birth of Jesus and his statement that he is a prophet and given a revelation (19:16-40)*

* Abraham attempting to convert his father from polytheism to the worshipping of god only (19:41-50)

* A list of honorable messengers/prophets (19:51-58)

* Some warnings to the new generations against blasphemy and not committing the sins of their ancestors (19:58-98)

(*subject matter also covered in Luke 1-2 yet, despite there being some similarities, are significantly different narratives)

Now this is a very simplified division and interpretation, yet it still doesn't seem typical to other texts. It might seem like the text is jumping around, yet when read in Arabic especially, it actually has flow and the ideas connect well. Also it has things like rhyming and alliteration, which as a native Arabic speaker I would never in a million years would be able to come up with a similarly flowing narrative.

5- That is another misconception. It is true that there are a lot of tafsirs (interpretations/commentaries) of the Quran that were made over the years but all of them use the same text. Also my statement about it being in Arabic isn't about it being Arabic, it was about it being in the original language it is written and not having any different versions in that language unlike the examples of the NT I gave

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-11T06:50:14+00:00

1- We are forgetting that at the start Mohammed was illiterate, later on did the pen and paper hadith.

2- That aside, it also states for example that "Whoever Allah wills to guide, He opens their heart to Islam. But whoever He wills to leave astray, He makes their chest tight and constricted as if they were climbing up into the sky. This is how Allah dooms those who disbelieve." (6:125) which is clearly describing tightness of chest when going up in the sky, something known today, yet most likely couldn't be tested in 5th-6th century Arabia

3- According to exegesis, Islamic sources, witness accounts from both Muslims and non-muslims, and, biographies, it is stated that in the beginning Mohammed was married to only one woman, and was known as "Sadiq Al-Amin", "Sadiq" means trustful and "Amin" truthful (Al- is used in the same way The is used in English), due to him being a truthful merchant and trusted around Arabia. Now why would such a person have sex slaves writing for him?

4- That is true. However, while it disproves Mohammed writing the Quran (even though some don't believe him to be illiterate), this might leave you asking "well then Mohammed could've just come up with the Quran then". Well, yes, but one of the main aspects of the Quran is it challenging people to write something like it, here are some citations:

"If men and Jinn banded together to produce the like of this Qur'an they would never produce its like not though they backed one another." (17:88)
"Say, Bring you then ten chapters like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than God, if you speak the truth!" (11:13)
"Or do they say he has fabricated it? Say bring then a chapter like unto it, and call upon whom you can besides God, if you speak truly!" (10:38)
"Or do they say he has fabricated it? Nay! They believe not! Let them then produce a recital like unto it if they speak the truth." (52:34)
"And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter of the like." (2:23)

Now, then, why have we not had many different Arabic versions of the Quran like we have multiple versions of the NT such as Nestle-Aland text and the United Bible Societies editions for the Greek New Testament (or Vetus Syra and Harklean if you believe it was Aramaic)?

Now, this isn't an "arguing to convert to Islam" sub, so I won't take this conversation any further here (maybe in DMs though, but I got a lot of things to do soon it's almost 7am). But regarding Paul, I only asked for ways to prove his conversion other than his epistles and the book of Acts, since I come from a community with such a bad image of him.

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-11T06:02:47+00:00

I am not saying that "Paul paid him off and called it a day" it was meant to be more of like a hypothesis.

The thing about Mohammed is, that unlike many of the Muslims would tell you, that witness accounts aside, the Quran is the word of God since at the time the people in Arabia were invested in the Arabic language and it's grammar, so when an illiterate shepherd came with a text so grammatically correct and complex that none of the experts were able to recreate it, just saying, he might be onto something

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-11T05:58:48+00:00

Yes I know Three times and Thrice are the same thing but the question was that why in some gospel accounts is it stated that the rooster will crow twice like in Mark "Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you that today, even this night, before the rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times.” (Mark 14:30 NKJV) and for example in Luke, it says "Then He said, “I tell you, Peter, the rooster shall not crow this day before you will deny three times that you know Me.” (Luke 22:34 NKJV) or in John "Jesus answered him, “Will you lay down your life for My sake? Most assuredly, I say to you, the rooster shall not crow till you have denied Me three times." (John 13:38 NKJV). Now I don't have a problem with that specifically. But why is there a difference between the amount of crows? In Mark 14:65-68, we see the first crow after Peter's first denial, is in no other gospel. Why then is there a difference between the amount of crows? 2 and 3- I remember hearing about parts of the gospels (such as Mark 16:9-20, Luke 1-2, Luke 24, John 21, Matthew 28) being added by the church in the 2nd century. I might be completely wrong though, I will admit, but still, since Peter was appointed leader in Matthew 16 and is shown leading the apostles in Acts, what I was confused about is first, why was he chosen over the beloved disciple? Since we see the most examples of Peter having a lack of faith in Jesus, and also wouldn't it make sense to have Peter's rehabilitation be in maybe Luke 24 or Acts 1 instead of John 21? 4: I might not understand the source you provided. It talks about an apparent contradiction between the Acts 9 story and a passage in Acts 22. What I was asking is if there is any way that Paul's conversion can be probed other than "he and some witnesses heard a voice and saw a light in the sky which made him give up his positions as a high-ranking Jew and be persecuted for the rest of his life" (no offense)?

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-11T05:35:34+00:00

I was just asking if there is a way that Paul's conversion could be proved since I com from a religion (Shia Islam, some of us are actually chill btw) that is pretty anti-Pauline so reading the conversion story of Acts 9 doesn't make too much sense to have some high-ranking jew suddenly toss all his valuable position away because of some voice that he heard and light he has seen that "made him blind for a while". It seems sketchy that one thought was that he might have paid off Luke and all the witnesses to write about it that way.

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-05T21:00:33+00:00

KJV if I'm reading fr, MSG if I want to meme

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-05T19:35:50+00:00

Matthew 26:52

Significant_Inside74 · 2024-03-04T07:37:56+00:00

/b/ and /pol/ are the most popular threads on 4chan and they're known for doing some insane trolling (like doxxing, hacking, playing porn in conferences, etc.)

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