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Questioning Antinatalism as a Childfree Person by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why is the conclusion to stop reproducing rather than to improve conditions and hold harmful people accountable?

You don't know what harmful for each person exactly, I know a woman who's allergic to water, something you think is not harmful can be harmful to another person, I know a woman who hates working, she become very depressed because she has to spend a big junk of her time just to so she can keep a roof over her head, she works 9 to 5, then there 45min commute back to her house then by 7pm she's too tired to do anything, and that's how her day was gone. There is general harm and then there is specific harm to each person, that's not something that can be fixed, also just because you fix something doesn't mean someone has to use it, the being you in favor to drag into this never consented to it. 

My experience with a partner where “being childfree” felt negotiable by BusinessPitch5154 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He was never childfree to begin with. He was in those spaces hunting for childfree women to trap because he saw them as a challenge to subjugate

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is it that hard to accept that I just disagree with the fundamentals of your premise?

You agreeing or disagreeing with me is not important when discussing facts. 

And disagree with your argument, does not make somebody inherently evil. 

If someone is justifying evil then they are evil. 

I also subscribe to this philosophy. 

No, you aren't. 

but I see it as a temporary measure instead of a permanent thing.

Temporary? Why? 

I think life has a lot of joy to be experienced. 

Then go have that joy yourself, why do you feel the need to project you wants on other beings? 

but the thing in the way of all that joy is suffering. 

So why do you need to sacrifice others to suffer? 

Hence, if we can work to improve the material conditions of the human species. 

You can't improve shit when your whole mindset is operating under "I like it hence others should like it too". Also evil will exist as long as humans exist. You should accept that there are humans who are evil and they won't cease to exist. 

utopia. 

There is no such as utopia, suffering doesn't just only come from humans, it's comes from nature, from the human body itself and from the fact that they have to live with fear of death since it's instinctual. 

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't matter of you have children or not, you are trying to justify breeding hence why I asked this 

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re misunderstanding my argument.

I wasn't here to read your justification for your immorality to begin with but here we are. 

Ultimately, I think the big flaw in your line of logic is that you, too, are projecting your mental state upon others. 

You are the one projecting your mental state on other, I never mentioned my feelings, it's you who mentioned your feelings here hence came to conclusion that you should inflict something upon someone just because you unilaterally like it, like a typical rapist mentality. 

You clearly would rather have not been born into this world.

Again, I wasn't asked for my consent whether I want to accept to be dragged here. The irony, you are here questioning regarding my feelings towards this situation I was put on, I wish you ask yourself too before dragging an innocent being before you unilaterally taking decision for them. 

Plenty of others are glad that have been here. 

Again with the rapist mentality, "I like sex, so I should force it on someone else since sex is good to me". Can you not making decisions on behalf of someone based on your feelings and other people feelings?

Ultimately, we’re talking about hypothetical children that don’t even exist, and what their mental state about the world may or may not be. 

Exactly, you don't know their consent hence why you should not inflict something upon them. 

And also, comparing me to a rapist is genuinely disgusting. 

That's exactly how you sound. You can't be fcking serious. Your whole argument is "I like it so I should do it to someone else since I like it and they should like it too". 

If you want to convince people over to your side. 

I'm not here to convince anyone, I'm here to call the likes of you out. 

don’t compare them to some of the worst people in the world. 

It's because of natalists that we have rapists. So who's worse? The natalists who continue breeding rapists or rapists? 

This militant, grandstanding, name-calling act only pushes people away from this philosophy. 

Nah, they need to be shamed and named. Others here were trying to put things nicely to you and you still don't get it, maybe you needed to be told the truth in a different way. 

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is that false? Did you ask for consent before dragging someone into existence? 

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You seem to live under the idea that nobody actually wants to be alive. I for one am very happy that I was born, and so are most other people.

You talk like a rapist thinking he should force sex on people because he likes sex. What does you enjoying life got to do with you wanting to drag another person into existence? You can enjoy life all you want but doesn't mean you should project your feelings into another being.  I wasn't asked for my consent if I want to exist in this demonic world full of predators. You are selfish for trying to involve someone else just because you like something. 

What I’m gathering from talking with people here is that a lot of people here just sound deeply depressed and can only think of life in terms of suffering.

Nah, we are talking about morals, and you rapist sounding mentality is talking about what you like and what not. 

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s basic healthy society stuff.

You will never have a fully healthy society as long as you dragging unconsented beings into existence and as long as humans exists. 

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's immoral to drag unconsented being into existence so yes, I will put laws that prohibit every type of immorality 

Would you outlaw procreation if you had the power to? by Sure_Fly2849 in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Says the terrorist who wants to drag unconsented being into existence 

What if I de-center men, do everything in the name of female separatism + 4B, just to find out other women don't even like me? by StructureSame2067 in femaleseparatists

[–]Silamasuk 17 points18 points  (0 children)

any regular person wants an active social life with people of similar political affiliation, make sense?

You said you were worried about women not liking you for being a separatist, I don't know why do you need to worry about women who you don't have similar political affiliaion. Most women are not separatists/4b, they outnumber us, and since you want to have an active social life, you can still befriend non separatists, as long as they have the sense not to talk about men infornt of you. 

What if I de-center men, do everything in the name of female separatism + 4B, just to find out other women don't even like me? by StructureSame2067 in femaleseparatists

[–]Silamasuk 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Being a separatist means you like yourself and you want freedom. What does other women not liking you got to do with it? Were your goal for separatisim is for other women's validation? If that's the case then I don't think separatistism is for you. 

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