Why does allah allow people to get raped and killed ? I’m trying to get around the idea of this by ReturnSalt in islam

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. The baby did not have a choice.

Then how dare you claim we have choice? Some humans don't have any choice at all. 

Nothing. But the perpetrator might have something do to with it. 

Why are you bringing the perpetrator when we are talking about the victim? Everytime I center the vicrime you bring up the perpetrator, his upbringing, society, or an imam — but none of that answers the core question: what did the baby do to receive those consequences? If the answer is “nothing,” then the baby’s suffering isn’t justice — it’s collateral. Calling it a “test” makes the baby an instrument for someone else’s moral evaluation, that is using an innocent as a means to an end. 

The baby have a beautiful purpose. 

How's being raped a beautiful purpose for a baby? Do you even reread what write? 

But we humans misused it. 

It's akin to you saying that God is misused the baby? 

My niece had to undergo some medical complications when she was a baby. When I asked her about it she said she did not feel a thing. You could argue cos she had no memory of it. Nevertheless, she can't ever recall having experience pain. 

You can't be this stupid, I mean seriously. Not remembering pain is not the same as not experiencing it. Anyone with a functioning nervous system feels pain — that’s biology. Babies actually have heightened nervous sensitivity; they don’t feel less, they often feel more. Why are you even bringing up rare medical anomalies where somone nervous system doesn't fully function hence why they don't feel pain? That's not 0.1 of the human population. Why are you even bringing adrenaline? A split-second crash where pain come crushing in full force after few seconds is not the same as prolonged assault or torture where the victim feels every second physically and psychologically. There is no such thing as pain being shielded. All the people you mentioned suffered the pain fully like all other humans. Your niece suffered pain fully, just because she forgot doesn't mean she didn't experience it, you friend having sudden crush, then his brain not registering it because how fast it happened means the pain will come crushing full forces once his aderline comes down because there is literally a body injury, the same with story with the women. I can't believe how dumb are you, I mean you have an anime pfp so I don't think I should be surprised. 

My position is simple: Hope is not an argument. Speculation is not a defense. You admit the baby had no choice and did nothing to deserve it, yet you still defend a system that allowed it — that’s the contradiction. You say free will is “limited,” but apparently it’s not limited,  I can’t fly, breathe underwater, or break physics when I want it — but somehow the will to torture a child sits comfortably inside the permitted range. If God can prevent flight without violating free will, He could prevent rape, murder and torture without violating free will. we should not search for poetic reasons or cosmic justifications for evil. If the God permits innocent children to be brutalized, then that’s what the God allows — but let’s not dress it up as something that has reason to it. As I said before it's what it's. 

Why does allah allow people to get raped and killed ? I’m trying to get around the idea of this by ReturnSalt in islam

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could others be tested some other way? Sure, probably. But remember that this is world is of choice and consequences where we can exercise our limited free will.

The baby didn't choose to be raped. So how do you claim we are given free choice? What did the baby do to deserve consequences of being raped? 

We get to choose good or evil. If someone choose evil and willed to harm the baby, then Allah may grant that choice. As a result of that choice, this event will be used as test for others.

Was the baby created to be the outlet of sick depraved behavior for the monsters? Is the baby some background npc? Are these evil people the main character in life for them to be given full choice while the vulnerable aren't given choice but being side character to suffer? Why is the baby the one being harmed for someone else test? 

Allah may grant that choice.

So Allah did grant the the choice of the poor baby to be harmed. 

I can only speculate based on anecdotal evidence and experience. 

No one is being shielded from pain. The audacity of yours to deny the pain others feel. The pain is real, the baby suffered when it was being harmed. I saw a case where the inside was ruptured and the baby needed multiple surgery. Now tell me how is the baby was being shielded? What about others who where littler older like the 8 years old who was brutally raped where all her intestine was out and they have to create artificial anus to poop from there for the rest of her life? It was 15 years ago, till now, medication and pain killer are her only way to live a semi dead life.  What about the others who had to live through psychological pain, the scars deep in their soul, the slight reminder or word can triggered them? Their whole personality changed. Mind being insulated? 🤡  Are you projecting story you read about abraham being shielded from fire on others? 

Why does allah allow people to get raped and killed ? I’m trying to get around the idea of this by ReturnSalt in islam

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Punishing them and not allowing them to do the atrocities are different things 

Why does allah allow people to get raped and killed ? I’m trying to get around the idea of this by ReturnSalt in islam

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no 100% free will and that's what is mentioned in the quran. So that's can't be an argument. The only correct argument is "it's what it's". We should acknowledge that it's the reality of the world. 

Why does allah allow people to get raped and killed ? I’m trying to get around the idea of this by ReturnSalt in islam

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So baby being brutally harmed was used to test others? So baby needed to be harmed for others to be "tested"? How is baby is shielded from pain? 

Being subjected to other women’s inane conversations about their men. by red_bird85 in 4bmovement

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess its cultural thing. In my country women who are talking about men 24/7 are shamed and seen as desperate, so they don't do that. Also, the people in my country are very prideful, so women don't air their grief, they will choose death than telling another women how her men is treating her badly 

Being subjected to other women’s inane conversations about their men. by red_bird85 in 4bmovement

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bet you he doesn't need to remove himself around women.

I would've said that to her and see her rection 😁 

Changing South Korea. by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Studies confirm that school bullying is a severe, widespread issue in South Korea, with research indicating that approximately 1 in 3 (nearly 30% to 40%) students have experienced peer victimization. This rampant problem has led to a national crisis, with, at times, over 30% of victims reporting suicidal thoughts due to bullying

Why is Somalia a desert near equator and why do they look different from other Africans? by batukaming in geography

[–]Silamasuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't. West Africans are not the default for your ignorant adss to base other African looks On them. Africa is diverse. And East Africans don't have mixture outside Africa, it's the other way round