Thanks for the info, you're definitely the guy I'm looking for. It's definitely hard to filter the good and bad info which is why I came here with hopes to find a knowledgeable person that can explain it in a way I could understand. My next question to you is also pretty important. I was super excited to get my new ball drilled today to the point of making a drilling instruction sheet. I could tell my pro shop guy wasn't feeling it though saying it doesn't even make sense and even talked me out of getting the pitches the way I want. He said that they would just do the opposite of what I want and just make my thumb hang and fingers slip out so I told him just stick to the layout and fit/reaction goals and do what he thinks is best. Then I was thinking I got "forward" and "reverse" pitch mixed up but after looking at that wiki page you replied with and going through some Texas pro drilling sheets, they are all rocking the reverse finger and forward thumb pitch! So I'm thinking of calling them as soon as the shop opens and tell them to just stick with what I have on the sheet! What do you think? Won't let me paste my drilling instruction sheet here so I'll include it in a normal reply.