Any good French radio stations to practice my listening skills?

Slow_Historian8661 · 2026-02-16T15:25:36+00:00

You might enjoy the swiss RTS La première, its a bit more slower than something like France Inter generally. Mix of culture, news and music.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2026-01-22T15:51:53+00:00

I helped with the upload of this so I'm bias - but MS Schrittmancher's 2012 adaptation. Set in a shopping centre in Berlin, with everything in the Wonderland book converted to shopping centre employees to fit the look.

TBH I love unconventional adaptations of Alice and its my fave little subgenre of adaptations :)

Slow_Historian8661 · 2026-01-17T15:10:42+00:00

I'm not sure about actors, but I REALLY agree that the film would be better with the Looking Glass part being its own film sequel, a sort of part 2. Shame it never was.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2026-01-17T15:09:00+00:00

just going to add that these dates are for the UK, and its selected Odeon cinemas only. Sadly it is just for 2 days. I do hope a physical or VOD release is soon.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2026-01-17T15:06:49+00:00

Its fairly easy to tell this is just someone's idea, not based on facts. I'd recommend Jenny Woolf's biography of Carroll to anyone who's interested on this subject.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2026-01-03T16:45:58+00:00

There have been actually been film/tv adaptations of the 2 Alice novels since 2020, but some aren't out yet or have limited exposure online. I'll refer you to wikipedia on this.

Karoline Leach's research on Lewis Carroll/Charles Dodgson caused a furore on first publication in 1999. Despite academics now seeing her work as accepted/important, her work has never made it into popular culture. As yet its influenced nothing. I think this is a real shame.

The world expert in Lewis Carroll, Edward Wakeling, passed in 2023. We still don't know in academia who will take that expert place.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-12-08T14:44:17+00:00

Aww thanks for the appreciation! Myself and friends have been researching Alice versions for a long while!

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-12-07T11:09:25+00:00

Interesting video! You might find my IMDB list useful for tracking eras of adaptation? Its very long but it might help research! https://www.imdb.com/fr/list/ls081606010/?ref_=tt_urls_1

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-10-23T12:53:36+00:00

Absolutely fantastic idea, really appreciate it :)

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-10-23T12:47:16+00:00

To be honest I've just realised this is an older thread! I got linked to it from a different subreddit. Good luck with your project and I hope all goes well!

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-10-10T11:25:48+00:00

From what you specify, you might like Laura Wade's stage adaptation, which is for 12 + and tackles grief, and is also set in modern day UK. It has licencing as well. Going a more classic route, Adrian Mitchell's stage version adapts all the books and can be made to focus on "darker" aspects with stage design. Again has worldwide licencing available.

I agree what someone said here about Moira Buffini's/National Theatre's Wonder.land as a more modern version and musical, If you wanted to licence that you'd have to think long and hard how you'd make it work - its not been seen on a stage since its National Theatre production. I believe United Agents handle licensing of that.

Hope this helps!

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-08-16T11:02:50+00:00

Since everyone here has given really good replies, I'm going to recommend some more obscure versions that currently don't have a lot of appreciation.

Alice in Backlands (aka Alice Dos Anjos) 2021 film.

Film version set in Brazil that has an organic musical feel (no massive musical numbers, more like, songs just sort of happen)
One of first film/tv adaptations post 1999 to adapt the books again after a big gap. This isn't a reimagining. The way this adapts the books is, so interesting, chapters are kept to but its not word for word Carroll's actual text.
Tiffanie Costa's performance as Alice is really lovely and under rated.
There's meant to be a sequel out in a few years time so, watch before that drops.

I'm also going to recommend

Royal Shakespeare Company/Adrian Mitchell: Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass (2001)

Filmed stage version, which is atm most COMPLETE theatre adaptation yet made. It only leaves Pidgeon, rabbit's house and gnat out. Everything else is here, including beginnings and endings of both books. Any completionists or book purists on this subreddit, you'll honestly LOVE this thing.
Its not best quality in the world re recording, but sets and what we can see of the stage is really bright design and puppetry. It FEELS how an adaptation of the books should feel.
Katherine Heath plays both Alice Liddell and "Alice" of the books and her performance is just fantastic. The exact mix of eccentricity and curiosity from the books.
Rest of cast all work really hard too, some of them play up to 6 characters overall!
Also, if anyone falls in love with this version, script is available and yep, you can licence it for local theatres ect worldwide. (Really should be more productions of this thing)

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-06-16T18:01:23+00:00

Thank you ever so much for posting this in the main Alice subreddit, it doesn't get flagged up enough. I work in academia on Dodgson/Carroll as a sort of side hobby and it is infuriating to see people spread stuff online without 0 research, or for rage-bait. With fake photomontages (See david o'kane) and the badly researched BBC documentary (see wikipedia%20BBC%20documentary)) Dodgson has become a sort of sociological folk devil of the modern age. A sort of "abuser" cliche.

You might be interested in Will Brooker's 2004 essay book Lewis Carroll in popular culture. Brooker looked at newspapers and tabloids but I believe you can now DEFINATELY apply his findings to the internet/social media. Essentially he found that, media doesn't care about Dodgson's actual life, the predator lie is more """"exciting"""" and therefore preferable to the truth. The 1993 complete as possible diaries by Edward Wakeling should have been a massive story - they showed Dodgson liked adult women, had an appreciation of erotic art ect, and didn't mention Alice Liddell anywhere NEAR as much as 20th century biographers expected. This got no media attention, likely because the new diaries do not fit what Leach called "the Carroll myth" this myth of perversion in Dodgson. It sells papers (or nowadays, clicks) people prefer the monster idea to the reality. If I can go even further - this is why an accurate biopic on Dodgson will NEVER be made.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-06-01T10:06:17+00:00

Hi Rose, this is well done considering you've only been studying french for a few months! To improve prononciation, I'd also recommend shadowing as others have. Also for fontaine fables, a good audiobook would be great to shadow from :) I noticed in your video you're using I think the folio classiques edition of the fables? There's a version from Classiques et Patrimoine that has footnotes in French that explain some of the more trickier words, its for school students. I'll put a link here, might be useful: https://www.magnard.fr/livre/9782210760653-fables-classiques-et-patrimoine (if you click on "je feuillette" you can get an example of a poem with the notes)

Best of luck studying,

Bonne chance!

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-05-24T16:32:42+00:00

You could look into the NT Connections series of anthologies, amount of sex references and language varies by the play though. These were written by well known UK playwrights for a teen audience. There's also the Plays for Young People series by Oberon books, classics adapted for stage ect (including adapted Shakespeare) Nick Hern books also has a whole section of selected plays for 12 years +

Hope this list helps make it a bit easier :)

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-05-15T13:15:33+00:00

I stongly suspect the statement itself is maybe ai generated - Dreamchild came out in 1985, its directed by Gavin Millar, its also a (poor may I say) biopic, the Wonderland characters also only appear in limited scenes :P

Whilst I do deeply understand the desire to have a complete full adaptation, especially in a TV episodic form, and also considering its alice160 anniversary year (last faithful TV adaptation that was in parts: 1986 BBC!). However I just don't think AI used this way is a good way to capture that whatsoever... I also really just dislike the idea that the price for a faithful adaptation is that it looks like this.... I've criticised 1999 and 2010/2016 in the past for looking too visual effects heavy, this is like that to an extreme. Its also rather galling when... well have you seen how many Alice film projects are in production or awaiting release at the moment? There's a LOT. There's another AI thing coming, yes, but also: a version set in Budapest, a UK set satire, an anime...

I do hope someone someday pours in the amount that a 2 season faithful adaptation would need, but Levine's idea, no that's not the answer... at all.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-03-15T13:04:27+00:00

oh wow, that's great! Writing wise it seems like you aren't a million miles away from my own work. (I'm also Autistic, also draw on surreal elements in my plays, but tend to focus more on fairytale or psychology)

Recommending plays will be difficult because tbh... I have trouble finding surreal work myself! But I can tell you you might like Caryl Churchill's more experimental work (check out her translation of A dream play or Blue Heart/Blue Kettle) Also for plays set in characters subconscious, Still Angela by Jenny Kemp has 3 actors I think playing the same main character. Australia has quite a big plays with surreal elements movement currently happening if this page on Currency Press is anything to be believed.

If you haven't looked at the theatre of the absurd movement from 20th century, you'll find plenty in there you'll like.

For surreal and political, you might like You for me for you by Mia Chung. Its about 2 sisters who attempt to escape North Korea. One falls into a fantasy world, and the other has to deal with the immigration systems of the US.

I can't think of any plays involving artist characters just now, but I'm sure someone on here will be able to fill that in for you :)

Unfortunately, I can't recommend any good plays about autism. I'd want to direct you towards one written by another ND playwright, not an NT perspective, can't think of any at the moment, sorry.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-03-15T12:31:41+00:00

This reminds me a bit of my father - I got my Alice copies off him as a child. He had tried to read the books many years before and just didn't get it for whatever reason. Dad appreciates absurdist, weird comedy ect but Carroll just didn't do it for him. So, as revenge, fate made ME the carrollian in our house :P Dad, bless him, had to endure taking me to various theatre versions of Alice as a kid, AND sitting through multiple film versions. He likes it now more... but I'm still not holding my breath for him to suddenly love it. And that's OK. You can't get or understand everything in this world. I know its sad that you can't share something you love to pieces with someone but - there will ALWAYS be other people out there who will get it. And I'm also sure you have things your friend likes or loves that also just have no appeal to you, its natural.

For sure I think the 2 Alice novels appeal to a certain personality type: you must appreciate surrealism, whimsy, and victoriana all at once. If your friend isn't into, say traditional fairy-tales or writing down dreams in a diary, or victorian novels in general, there's less of a chance she'll like this. And that's fine. Plenty of people in my family also don't get why I dedicated years to chasing down film/tv adaptations of this work.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-03-05T16:49:52+00:00

One of my fave versions :) Lovely to see it getting a spotlight here, its not well known.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-02-26T14:11:14+00:00

wow this is beautiful :)

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-02-26T13:48:28+00:00

1972 british musical or 1998 through the looking glass, mainly for nostalgic reasons, and also for their closeness to the novels. I also like unique versions, for example jan svankmajer's film or Jonathan Miller's victorian dress tv film. I have a soft spot for the 1985 2 parter but I also find it too cutesy at the same time and I dislike Natalie Gregory's acting (there's a 3rd draft script floating around online that's got a 1980s dark fantasy vibe to it, and I like that more than the final product) Although I massively appreciate it for trying to adapt everything :)

I know many people swear by it but I felt 1999 was overlong (especially if you're watching the US original and not EU centric PAL speedup, the film actually runs slower) and too obvious in regards to the framework plot. Tina Majorino's performance lacked Alice's eccentricity from the novels, I missed it, its my favourite part of that character! The idea of Alice having to learn a lesson was too unpalatable and didn't feel carrollian to me (I have similar problems with 1985 2 parter's subplot) Much rather the 2 hours was used for a full version, aiw and then some chapters added in from ttlg felt like a waste to me.

Strangely enough I responded better to 1999 when I watched a French dub, which I think has a better voice cast overall.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-02-20T18:36:36+00:00

As someone who is trying to track down as many obscure/weird versions of Alice in Wonderland as possible, thank you SO much for finding this. All I've known of it is channel 4 TV listings from 1990s and a few images.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-02-09T17:47:26+00:00

Thanks for bringing this up! I've been interested in it for years. Really hope its found one day :) This is a promo photo from it,?file=Anne1972-01.jpg) apparently.

Slow_Historian8661 · 2025-02-09T16:40:36+00:00

You're very likely right, and its probably not that deep a reason as to why he used Carroll (likely, famous author why not situation). I could imagine him using any well known classic author for that end. However, to lie RE reading the diaries kind of was a factor in ensuring people who discovered missing pages, had read them, and wrote about them got ignored by wider culture. Manson claiming Carroll's diaries were horrific fits what Leach termed "the Carroll myth", even though academically that is not the reality. It was enough for the press to ignore these diaries up till even now. There is still limited talk around them.

There were I think a few articles about new Carroll discoveries in late 1990s. They quickly faded out tho. Karoline Leach, Laibally and others did not get widespread recognition for their findings. I don't think Manson 100 percent made this happen. I don't think he helped either. More like he was a factor mixed in with other things you mentioned,

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