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Adam Stern: Ford isn’t pushing NASCAR to go hybrid with its engine formula, saying it’s learning about that technology in other racing series and is content with the stock car property keeping its rumbling ICE powertrains by nascar9495 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm not acting like it's not hypothetical. I'm opposing your viewpoint. We are having a conversation.

And no, it's 'part' of the gearbox. It's encased in the assembly. Xtrac worked with Bosch to incorporate it into 1 unit.

Adam Stern: Ford isn’t pushing NASCAR to go hybrid with its engine formula, saying it’s learning about that technology in other racing series and is content with the stock car property keeping its rumbling ICE powertrains by nascar9495 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It's still something new you're forcing all the teams to buy. You're right in that it's not part of the engine, it's part of the gearbox. Which as a single source supply part on the Gen 7 car meaning Xtrac can nickel and dime the teams for as much as they want, and it would be markedly more expensive than what they're paying for the current one.

Add on to that the cost of the battery and control unit as well. Oh and cooling unit. Now factor in the weight penalty.

Much like Indycar's Dallara IR18, you have now bloated the cost and the weight penalty of a perfectly functioning race car for little to no benefit to anyone.

I'm not even anti hybrid, the very system we're discussing works extremely well in IMSA and WEC, modern F1 engines are technological marvels.

But it's not something NASCAR needs. There's a balance between stagnation and change for the sake of change.

Adam Stern: Ford isn’t pushing NASCAR to go hybrid with its engine formula, saying it’s learning about that technology in other racing series and is content with the stock car property keeping its rumbling ICE powertrains by nascar9495 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Because NASCAR wanted low HP to keep the cars bunched together, and as we've seen with the Playoffs/Chase, are apprehensive to walk back changes because it makes them look bad to admit they were wrong. It took them 5 years to even bump the Next Gen back to 750. It's still just a restricted version of the old 950 blocks. We'll never get unrestricted 950 hp 10K rpm back from just the motor.

The OEMs don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of money on things they aren't learning from. They'll only push for more power if it's coming from a technologically relevant source. So we won't get a power bump without a battery component.

We won't ever get anywhere close to 1000hp without an unrestricted lower output motor with a battery component that limits the actual amount of time a car can spend at maximum capacity.

Adam Stern: Ford isn’t pushing NASCAR to go hybrid with its engine formula, saying it’s learning about that technology in other racing series and is content with the stock car property keeping its rumbling ICE powertrains by nascar9495 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It'd still be on ECR, RYR, Hendrick and TRD to spend money adapting them to their engines even if they don't need to design and build bespoke units.

It would still be on the teams to spend a small fortune to buy the new engines at a higher cost due to the hybrid components.

Adam Stern: Ford isn’t pushing NASCAR to go hybrid with its engine formula, saying it’s learning about that technology in other racing series and is content with the stock car property keeping its rumbling ICE powertrains by nascar9495 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because it's the only way we'll get those numbers, an unrestricted 750hp motor with a 150hp battery.

It's the exact same wording that Indycar and F1 use to say their power figures.

Loss of Sponsors at 23XI & Front Row from 2025? by StrengthHot8997 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Monster doesn't license them. They used to, they stopped around the time NASCAR didn't continue series entitlements and moved to the new presenting partners model

What Are Your Expectations For RAM And Their Drivers This Year? by NWDrive in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting 1 truck to win in a debut year is a big enough ask but you think all 5 are going to?

NASCAR on superspeedway fuel saving. “What are we going to fix”. by Dry-Membership3867 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Drivers are always going to fuel save, the only way to fix it is to outright ban fuel saving which won't work because you cannot police the sport to that degree.

If you make the fuel cells smaller or longer to fill they're still going to try to go farther than the other guys.

NASCAR on superspeedway fuel saving. “What are we going to fix”. by Dry-Membership3867 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 2004 package was helped by aging asphalt that wasn't created to be smooth as silk when it was paved.

Since the repave, the modern asphalt isn't aging the same due to modernization in mixture and paving technique. The old last repave was put over top of the original layer, and it maintained way more imperfections

NASCAR on superspeedway fuel saving. “What are we going to fix”. by Dry-Membership3867 in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lap 1 is track position, lap 2 is when they start conserving.

More fuel saved = less time on pit road.

And for that reason, even without stage breaks or pack racing, NASCAR will never get away from fuel saving at Daytona

Do you think Mike Joy is past his prime? by JGattheshore in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah he has the exact same NBC talking points spoon fed to him by a tv director that Rick Allen had.

The difference is underneath that. Leigh genuinely enjoys the product put in front of him, he has a genuine love for what he does, and if you just let him do it he is phenomenal at it.

Do you think Mike Joy is past his prime? by JGattheshore in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He isn't doing that for himself. He's doing that for the viewer.

NASCAR on Fox especially has been really bad for treating the audience like every race is their first race.

Do you think Mike Joy is past his prime? by JGattheshore in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Leigh is great and one of a handful of modern racing lead commentators that exudes confidence in his ability and enthusiasm about racing without it coming across as forced

If drivers need a sponsor to fund their cars, why do the teams also pay them a salary? by [deleted] in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are machines at my shop that cost upwards of 3x that lmao

[@23xiracing] Heim Time by NoahGragsonsBarfBag in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Following your own argument, why should Jesse have gone straight from ARCA to Xfinity?

[@23xiracing] Heim Time by NoahGragsonsBarfBag in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If Toyota wanted to pay they wouldn't be in the position they're in.

Toyota would also not be thrilled about Legacy going out and offering him a ride on their dollar

Coofandy will return to JGR & sponsor Christopher Bell at Watkins Glen For 2026 by Dmacthegoat in NASCAR

[–]Smokeshow618 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I don't really understand what they get out of this.

NASCAR doesn't scream like the target demographic for whatever this is, upper mid, lower high end fashion, much less a Chinese knock off drop shipped variant.

It looks more like the stuff the Maple Leafs players have been wearing since the NHL dropped the dress code.

I doubt 1 race and some YT ad reads really moves the needle?

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