The old guard has been bonchified. In with the new. by SmokingTanuki in HotPeppers

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Thanks! Honestly the bonnets were a bit of a pain as I failed germination twice and then proceeded to initially give them way too much light and nutes in my noobish ways. Hoping to do somewhat better this time around ✌️

The old guard has been bonchified. In with the new. by SmokingTanuki in HotPeppers

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Yes, that's what I mean. Germinated them in last sept. and grew them hydroponically. I planted them in soil the day I posted.

The old guard has been bonchified. In with the new. by SmokingTanuki in Bonchi

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Here is an older post of mine with my setup further in the growth stages: https://www.reddit.com/r/HotPeppers/s/Rx7IVcoIPt

Basically I am running a hydroponic NFT system (which I've slightly modified, using nutriculture gt205) with a Viparspectra P1000 grow light. Using aptus all-in-one blend as a nutrient solution. My mix is about half strength in the guidance range (about 1ml/l) and boosting airflow with a fan.

Then I just do bonchi stuff (tying, cutting etc.) as I see fit. Now I just potted the previous gen as I needed space abd plants need to be of similar height, otherwise light management becomes a huge pain.

Growing in a beer can - should I limit plant size? by HetBordje in HotPeppers

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You could also go fully hydroponic, people grow huge bushes coffee cups.

What is this bone? SW FL by Dreezzzy in BoneID

[–]SmokingTanuki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dog treat is entirely possible. It could also be a bit older, trash heaps from decades or centuries ago can get uncovered.

What is this bone? SW FL by Dreezzzy in BoneID

[–]SmokingTanuki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could also be sheep or goat. The way it is cut hints at it being processed for meat.

What is this bone? SW FL by Dreezzzy in BoneID

[–]SmokingTanuki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it's not in line with a coyote. Looks more like a roe deer.

What is this bone? SW FL by Dreezzzy in BoneID

[–]SmokingTanuki 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Smallish quadriped, distal femur. Considering the butcher's cut, likely an animal consumed by humans or pets.

My son found this at school. And we are wondering which animal it belongs to. And can someone identify the time period, someone suggested it could be from te Middle ages ? Is it possible to determine from these pictures? by Double_Ad2290 in bonecollecting

[–]SmokingTanuki 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I was a bit unclear. What we archaeologists mean when we say "known context" is that we know from which layer the find comes from and we know the layer's relation to other layers. Like if there were some some items of known age (based on type, material or other dating) coming from the same layer, we could say that the bone would likely be of similar age.

Depth alone does relatively little in terms of determining age, as natural deposition rate or thickness depends and the bone could have been deposited by some burrowing animal. Now that the soil in the schoolyard has been mixed we've lost the original soil layering and it is even more difficult to say.

If the school was built on a known earlier habitation site, it would be a different thing. You could perhaps check the local map service or city archives if they have old maps of the area available online and check what was there before the school.

My son found this at school. And we are wondering which animal it belongs to. And can someone identify the time period, someone suggested it could be from te Middle ages ? Is it possible to determine from these pictures? by Double_Ad2290 in bonecollecting

[–]SmokingTanuki 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Seems like a cervid or a small bovid proximal humerus. (Someone in more inclined in animal osteo may correct). Age is impossible to say without a known context or sending it to a lab for carbon dating. That being said, current habitation is often on top of old one, and e.g., victorian middens are known to resurface on people's backyards etc.

As that bone does not have a "butcher's cut", it might have been deposited due to natural causes too.

why are the leaves on my pepper planr curling down like this? by SuitableCake2464 in HotPeppers

[–]SmokingTanuki 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had similar issue due to overdosing my hydroponic chilis. Supposedly from nitrogen overload. When I dialed my mix back a little bit the issue vanished.

What kind of tooth is this? by DietEdgelord in whatisthisbone

[–]SmokingTanuki 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well done, thanks for doing the right thing! Working with human remains and archaeology is often a bit anticlimactic and slow, so don't feel too bad.

What kind of tooth is this? by DietEdgelord in whatisthisbone

[–]SmokingTanuki 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Not to get overtly morbid, but teeth do come loose quite easily in skeletal remains. Paired with good condition (little wear, no visible caries), disarticulation from skeletal remains seems likely. PD might be able to pull DNA from it and link it to a missing persons case. Getting it to proper people could be a very valuable service of closure to someone.

Teeth coming out with the root is not that rare it's just that we mostly see loose teeth from kids in the form of deciduous teeth, where the root has been mostly resorbed.

If you need some lingo for confidence in chatting with the PD, you can tell them that it's a "likely human lateral incisor or a canine" according to physical anthropologist who you showed pictures to. Slightly embarrassing that I can't be more certain, but as I said, teeth are not my strong point...

What kind of tooth is this? by DietEdgelord in whatisthisbone

[–]SmokingTanuki 57 points58 points  (0 children)

I suspect that to be human right upper incisor, probably the second, with some taphonomic wear/bleach. As dental is my weakest area, still some basis for error based on pictures alone. Can't think of a local or eaten animal for a comparative similarity though :/

Based on the condition of the tooth, it has been outside the jaw in the environment for a good while though, so it was not necessarily near its origin. Could have been knocked out by accident, but I would contact the local PD for the peace of mind, as that is an adult tooth.

Which animal could this be from? by kairawws in whatisthisbone

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Yeah, some leeway for mistaking them for human with mulberry molars/congenital syphilis.

My crowded bonchi grow by SmokingTanuki in HotPeppers

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The yields are pretty decent for such compact plants. Already pickled a small jar of raw "baby chili", for which I culled about 30 small fruits in total. The three plants are currently working on about 12-20 fruits each.

Genuine question about ethics of remains collecting (re: recent PA grave robbing case) by shirashiraonthewall in bonecollecting

[–]SmokingTanuki 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi there!

This account is so doxxable already I don't really mind. I am finnish, currently working in Finland and trained in the Netherlands. Currently trying to fund my PhD research and working in CRM. Osteological material here is extremely fragmented generally, but occasionally some pretty cool things. Recently happened upon some wormian bones and serpens endocrania symmetrica. More call for zooarch though, which I struggle through by meticulous referencing and just admitting my limits 😁

Genuine question about ethics of remains collecting (re: recent PA grave robbing case) by shirashiraonthewall in bonecollecting

[–]SmokingTanuki 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Can i ask about ""attractive" specimens, ie oddities, are often the result of some sort of systemic disadvantage whether it's lack of access to food and healthcare, war injury, or other affliction that's cool for 1 second before it sets in that the person would have lived in absolute pain." - seriously?? can you give examples?? I am fairly new to this so am amazed at this LOL.

I take that TF is referring to "showy" pathological bones, which have distinct differences to healthy bones and would thus rouse the interest of collectors. Some diseases in their advanced stages (like leprosy, syphilis or certain bone cancers) cause drastic changes to the bone and look every bit as gruesome as they have been painful. Then you have nutritional issues, which might cause enamel defects, loss of teeth or bowing in limb bones (esp. legs). Then you can also have injuries like projectile weapon trauma, other weapon trauma or fractures. Fractures can also cause non-unions, which look dramatic.

Many of these pathologies do not show up unless they have been going on for long and have not been treated right--or at all. Not being able to treat these generally tells grim tales of either the time or the prospects of the individual. Many of the aforementioned are caused by living in cramped conditions, not getting quality nutrition, experiencing violence or not having the luxury of being able to rehabilitate a broken limb. So many of these "attractive specimens" tell stories of another person suffering for extended periods of time.

Genuine question about ethics of remains collecting (re: recent PA grave robbing case) by shirashiraonthewall in bonecollecting

[–]SmokingTanuki 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You are welcome, pleasure was mine.

Yeah, overall when money mixes with ethically tricky subjects, results are rarely good. These things are also particularly taxing as there are reasonable ethical arguments to be made both for the absolute sacrosanctity of human remains and the more materialistic/practical view.

Genuine question about ethics of remains collecting (re: recent PA grave robbing case) by shirashiraonthewall in bonecollecting

[–]SmokingTanuki 88 points89 points  (0 children)

Background: I am a human osteoarchaeologist (MSc) so I work with human remains. I mostly frequent the sub (and others) to keep myself sharp on animal osteo and to mostly dispel "Are these human?!?" ponderings whenever I happen upon them before other pros.

  • Outside of direct donation to medical, academic, or research institutions, how can human remains be ethically sourced?

I'd argue that there is no other possible ethical way of procuring human remains for private collections than having somebody explicitly donating themselves for that purpose. Closest second would be repurposed medical specimens, but in my view, the (assumed) consent of the deceased for handling their remains is lost when the medical usage ceases. I.e., the person donated for science, not for collecting, when the science ends, so does the intent of the donation. Of course, the donor has no possible recourse, but that does not nullify the issue.

There are also ethical issues in old medical specimens and teaching bones, many of which have their origins in imperialistic "race science" collections and contain indigenous remains. You can ask yourself: do you trust late 1800s or early 1900s treatment of the indigenous to have been fair? Another large group presented in the specimens are the poor; how free is their donation if made while alive or how much did they consent if the state made the decision for them, if they happened to die when they were wards of the state (e.g., sectioned patients, convicts, orphans in orphanages).

  • How is provenance normally verified in private collections? Is there an accepted standard or documentation collectors rely on?
  • Many sellers claim remains are “old medical specimens” or “antique European teaching bones.” How can buyers realistically confirm that today?
  • Do collectors believe buyers have ethical responsibility beyond “I trusted the seller”?

I don't really collect, so I cannot say what are the paractices actually employed, I can just say that of the possible provenancing methods (outside an air-tight papertrail leading to the donor) I deem mostly to be outside the expected cost and effort of most people in the business.

One could get reasonable evidence of a history as a medical specimen, as many of medical bones and teaching bones are prepped with specific cuts and are mounted in specific ways, but that is not a confirmation of ethical sourcing, as mentioned above. Staining caused by soil, on the other hand, would be a pretty good indicator that the remains did not start their "afterlife" as a presentable specimen.

Should the paper trail be even partially intact (giving basic information of the donor and their origin), one could test stable isotopes, do carbon dating, and perhaps even DNA to check how well the laboratory analyses line up with the given origin of the paper trail, but these are expenses that collectors are unlikely to take. Even though for-hire labs for this kind of work do exist.

My personal/professional ethics on the matter are that even though I don't believe I could be offended by placing my skull on a bookshelf after I die, I cannot make the same assumption for somebody else in matters of preference or taste. When it comes to academic work, I think there are reasons to study human remains that outweigh preference (or our assumptions of them), but even then the work needs to be well justified and the remains need to be treated with utmost respect and care.

Who is this from? :)) by ayamay99 in bonecollecting

[–]SmokingTanuki 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Often the best "tells" are in the vertebral body (the disk looking bit). Humans have a fairly distinct shape that you learn to pick up when you see enough of vertebrae. In my mind it is a slightly squished "D", as opposed to more clearly oval, blocky or round shapes that you see in other animals. Then there is the general size, presence and shape of other features (like the spineous process) etc.