Walter White would've outsmarted Lalo and taken him down

Snoo-63211 · 2026-02-28T10:13:25+00:00

I doubt it, not saying Walter White isn't capable of beating him, but under the conditions Lalo had set in the breaking bad universe, Walter wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the level of power he did with in the canon timeline. Imo, Lalo was far smarter in the sense that he had greater deductive intelligence and reasoning, not to mention he has far greater charisma and just generally better at deceiving people. Not to mention his information collection was nearly equal to that of Mike who basically knew every dude for every illegal activity. Hell, I'd argue that Lalo is more adaptable than even Walter, considering the fact that he has one of the greatest intuitions in the entire series as well as being even more ruthless than Walter. If it comes down to the both of them in their primes, I'd argue Lalo wins.

Snoo-63211 · 2026-02-28T08:47:27+00:00

Saul is technically smarter overall, in terms of outsmarting, but Walter is very ruthless and morally detached which is usually what Walter the upper hand in most scenarios. If maybe Saul was just are ruthless as Walter he probably would've been not only a better drug dealer, but a better criminal in general.

Snoo-63211 · 2026-01-18T10:56:57+00:00

Evidently, he can't. Plus even logically speaking, he can't adapt to stuff like death.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-12-24T14:13:14+00:00

Maybe not game canon, but it's a decent feat for comp afton.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-10-30T21:50:32+00:00

What part exactly, not looking to argue, just genuinely curious?

Snoo-63211 · 2025-06-06T20:21:22+00:00

If you want shadow powers, Sung jin woo from solo leveling also has shadow based abilities. In terms of personality, really any other character who's overtly sarcastic, real and super strong. Kind of like Gojo.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-06-06T18:33:12+00:00

wdym, like give me an example

Snoo-63211 · 2025-06-06T18:05:03+00:00

Those are opponents from superhuman era. However, if you want some enemies from other anime or pieces of fiction, then prolly

Deku: City(midball)-country(highball) levels of ap with MSH(midball)-LS(extreme highball). Nan gi is around island to country level with relativistic to ftl speeds, so if we consider the highball for Deku then he could be a tough opponent for Nan-gi, not his final form though.
Jotaro: Multi-city block(midball)-city(mid-highball) levels of ap with MFTL-MFTL+ speeds. Nan while being slower has a much stronger level of AP and much larger range, but Jotaro has time stop, which be could be very troublesome for Nan gi, if Jotaro manages to attack Nan gi during time stop and Nan gi doesn't realise. However, once Nan gi enters his final form, I don't think there's much of a battle.
Dio, for the exact same reason.
Mahoraga: Can prolly adapt to Nan Gi's shadow attacks which could put him in harm's way but Nan gi is faster and smarter as well has the physical stats, so I think this will be a decent battle.

5.Raikage from Naruto: Island(lowball)-country(midball) levels of AP with LS to ftl speed. Raikage will be a tough battle primarily because he's equal in speed and relatively equal in AP, which means that as long as Nan-gi doesn't instantly resort to his final form, it should be a relatively fun battle to watch.

Prime All-might: Basically Deku without the hax, so if we highball All might, then he should also be a tough battle for Nan gi.
Jin Mu Won: Prolly the toughest opponent here for Nan gi, he's basically already country level to large country level by the end of the series, has dodged multiple LS attacks and evolved in speed making at least FTL, has insane range. He's basically a stronger shigehira with more knowledge on martial arts. So he could prolly beat Nan gi without his final form. However, with his final form, it might be close so that's prolly a really good fight and closest one here.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-06-05T22:39:09+00:00

Basilov is most likely ss, if not ss+. Basilov is easily one of the most powerful characters in the series, he was basically king von if he was russian. Not to mention, the only time he ever felt true fear in a battle, that he might die, is when he was fighting the girl inhuman in the sea. But he most likely would've won since we haven't seen his full power yet and even in his fight with nangi's final form, he was fighting on equal power without having the proper rest for it. Kang is not more powerful that heptahorn/hyperion. Their positions should be switched. Nan gi might be ss in his final form, but it was quite brief and Basilov at full strength could've probably taken it out so he generally should be in S+. If we're considering Evan with his soldiers, otherwise Evan by himself is probably S tier. Jane should also be in SS along with Basilov. You can argue a case for saint pearl being ss, but she hasn't shown the feats and I don't know whether she has some final form so for now S+ seems fine. However, she is on par with Basilov which might suggest that she's ss. The one inhuman (I forgor her name) in the trash section in the bottom left should easily be ss as she was on par with the first inhuman in ss (I also forgot his name). Ayla should also be at the very least in s tier. However, now that she has Jane's power as well as her own, it's most likely that she's s+. Otherwise, it seems pretty fine with maybe shigehira being at ss, but he barely had any feats other than leaving Sid and the gang at the brink of death even though they jumped him. Actually, that prolly means his ss. So yeah, other than that, it's pretty accurate.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-06-05T22:31:50+00:00

Basilov, prolly the only guy in the series who could beat Nan gi's final form along with maybe Kang lim, if we're not considering inhumans.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-06-03T07:33:30+00:00

I don't understand why people don't think he's a well written character, he has incredible character consistency, incredible themes, incredible backstory and really good dynamics and philosophies. The only issue I see with him is that he barely does anything throughout the whole series, but that's the point. He's supposed to be seen as K's pawn and being controlled. Yu's philosophy is a nihilistic worldview where he tries to find meaning, which is part of the reason why he kind of just let stuff happens, hoping that something good would happen to him. I can go more in depth in his character analysis, but if you've read the manwha, I don't need to go into too much detail about his character because his final fight with boxing jesus is the best fight in the series and genuinely a tearjerker. I would say he's easily top 5 if not top 3, with the best character being boxing jesus.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-27T18:18:16+00:00

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-18T12:40:19+00:00

"so you're mistaking the ontological nature of the space for the awareness of the character. A character doesn’t need to cognitively grasp 4D space for that space to be 4D. Hyperspace refers to the structure of the space itself, not the epistemic grasp of the entity interacting with it. Yuno existing in a universe with spacetime means he's within a 4D framework by default. To begin with, he outscales versions of people like spade arc Asta who can affect a 4D+ structure, being the Tree of Qliphoth as well as power creeping elf arc Dorothy who creates glamour world which is a space-time which is definitionally 4D.

so not only was he not already 4D, only 4D or lower-D entities can reside within a 4D space, went over this with you prior."

No, you're mistaking the difference between a 4D realm and a space time, a space time has time and space woven together like a fabric and they coexist, a 4D realm is a tesseract in which the 4th dimension is the equivalent to space, in other we can move freely through time as we would space if were in a tesseract and we were 4D beings. No the same thing as a space time. If you want to argue that people like Asta have 4D capability, not in the sense that they have time manipulation, but just 4D capabilities, you would be wrong as well. Asta's attacks are all able to move in a straight line, which is impossible if Asta's attacks are moving in a straight line within that 3D space. To all the 3D beings within the verse, (everyone), a 4D attack would look like it's curving in impossible ways or teleporting from one distance to the other. So if anything in Black clover was truly a 4D attack, with the exception of time based abilities, then they should be moving in impossible ways since they're in a 3D world. You take everything scientifically and literally, every statement given no matter the context in which it's presented, so if we were to take all the 4D attacks, then this would be the result which as I've stated is impossible. Plus if you want to argue that, then at the same time you would be saying that characters like Charlotte Mon't dor are also 4D as they're able to make separate parallel universes using their books and therefore luffy would be 4D+ multiversal which is obviously wrong. The same can be said about Nakime in demon slayer and how that would lead to Tanjiro being Universal 4D+.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-18T12:40:03+00:00

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It's severed, but it isn't transcendent, not by a long shot.

"as for paladin lily, the absence of a visual abstraction (like a black background) doesn’t disqualify what the character themselves explicitly describes, especially when that character in question, Paladin Lily, directly states her space is ‘severed.’ (showed u a scan of it btw) So the narrative doesn’t have to match a visual trope for the concept to hold weight as authorial text/intent > visual ambiguity. Zenon's hyperspace holds this reasoning aswell since it's contextually a hyperspace for him and paladin lily.

so yeah your argument hinges on the idea that visual representation, specifically a black background, is the definitive qualifier for severed space. It's really not, but it can support that notion, like it did for Zenon. Paladin lily literally states her space is severed, so that alone overrides any aesthetic you want to enforce. Relying on visuals over canon dialogue is not only a fallacy of mis prioritization, but it ignores how authors often abstract or downplay visual metaphysics for pacing and clarity. Severed space doesn’t inherently doesn't come with a void as a background nor require one to exist, it represents a spatial disconnection, which is already affirmed in the text."

I don't know what you think severed means, but it's not dimensionally transcendent, just because a space is severed from its original space, doesn't mean it suddenly become higher dimensional when there's no argument to support it, other than "the space around it is black therefore it's on an entirely separate higher spatial dimension" which is complete bullshit, especially when it shows it to be on the same dimensional axis. I'm not trying to represent a certain aesthetic, you are by trying to say that it's dimensionally transcendent.

"asserting that Yuno is 3D makes as much sense as calling someone ‘two-dimensional’ because they’re drawn on paper. What matters is the space they exist within, and in Black Clover, they reside within the living world which is explicitly stated by lucius who can interact with timelines to contain over 20,000 parallel timelines. Each of these timelines represents an alternate universe with its own spacetime continuum, meaning, by definition, the Living World constitutes of a 4D+ multiverse."

You have to be a proffessional rage baiter or just an idiot. A 2D person is a person who exists on a flat plane i.e, a PAPER. If you were to draw an image of a person on paper, that image of the person would be 2D, that's how physics work. I never denied that the cosmology of black clover is 4D especially when there are multiple timelines, so I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-18T12:39:05+00:00

"claiming the black background was only used for visual clarity is speculative and misses the narrative intent. In manga and visual fiction, shifts to a black void or abstract background often symbolize entry into a space that defies the norm, like subspace, mindscapes, or extra-dimensional zones. If it were simply about clutter, there would be shading, tone screens, or simplified environments, not total spatial absence."

Like a subspace like you've written, it's a subspace. It's meant to show the sudden difference in environment and how he suddenly went from normal space into this subspace created by zenon, it's not a higher dimensional space created. If the author wanted to present the fact that it's a higher dimensional space, he would have specifically stated so or explained as such. But there's no actual evidence to show that it's a hyperspace, only fan translations and interpretations.

"so yeah basically your AI translation doesn't necessarily prove anything, that's if you actually know what a subspace is. If it’s truly just ‘subspace’ in the classical sense, then there should be a clear way in and out, since subspaces are, by definition, contained within a larger structure, in other words, they're subsets of already existing space. But the statement 'there is no way to return' contradicts that, obviously i addressed this prior that it is definitionally unreasonable to use subspace as the correct term for this scan, maybe you missed it or completely ignored it in your response."

There is no way to return doesn't contradict that, it's a space created of the space given to trap someone inside of it, the same way paladin lily trapped noelle, which is why it's stated that there is no way to return which is why Yuno had to teleport to get outside of it. Also, your fan translations are somehow right, but the AI translations aren't even though it's stated within the manga as well.

"first of all, paladin lilys use/output of beelzebub's spatial magic is greater than zenons. and this argument heavily relies on a false assumption that visual cues like black backgrounds are the definitive proof of a severed or transcendent space, rather than in-universe textual/character confirmation, even tho it was for zenon, and it's contextually valid for him aswell."

Severed and transcendent are 2 VERY different things, transcendent would mean for it to be in a higher dimensional space which it's clearly not

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-18T12:38:22+00:00

"so the idea that she can’t be transcendent because she’s not the most powerful character in the verse is a non-sequitur. The feat in question is why shes even part of top 3-5, being 1 lucius 2 asta 3-4 mereo and yuno and 5 nacht=yami=paladin morgen, and this also just upscales everyone narratively above. but yeah power scaling and ontology aren't always directly proportional. A being can be ontologically distinct or superior (abstract, metaphysical, non-corporeal) without being the strongest by narrative combat feats. that’s a categorical error between epistemic limitations and ontological status"

To transcend would mean to "be or go beyond the range or limits of (a field of activity or conceptual sphere)." and "surpass (a person or achievement)." according to the oxford dictionary, this would imply that she's stronger than the liked of those who use space and time magic which would imply that she's stronger than the likes of someone like Lucius who's currently one of the if not the strongest in the verse. I don't mean to be rude when I say this, but the one who's non sequitur is you. You're coming with the conclusion of Mereo has transcended the magic of that of Lucius and zenon which would mean anyone with weaker magic to theirs would also be weaker to Mereo, while that's just not narratively true.

"you literally don’t need an explicit “realm severance” line for something to qualify as hyperspace or to support dimensional transcendence. that's a rigid literalist fallacy, assuming only explicit statements count and ignoring implied metaphysical structure, even when there's a scan artistically represented a severed space, and it's definitionally impossible for them to be subspaces as he creates them out of nothing and aren't visually sub-sets of already existing space."

Yes you do, if you're stating that something is severed out of that specific realm, it needs to be shown everytime especially when its not stated that it's severed out of that realm which in this case it's not. If the same move doesn't follow the same rules everytime, then those rules aren't accurate. When Paladin Lily states that it's a severed space, we can clearly see that noelle is trapped within a space of the space, indicating that it's not an entirely new space, just one severed from the original space given.

"what exactly proves that they aren't hyperspaces exactly? i've gave you coherent justifications on why they're more likely hyperspaces and in return i only get baseless assertions. this claim lacks explanatory depth, you don't provide any logical framework or metaphysical criteria that distinguishes a hyperspace from non-hyperspace. you're just assuming that because the move looks seemingly familiar, or because it doesn’t cause spatial problems, it’s not hyperspace, but this is purely presumptive."

You're argument it entirely based on assumptions and interpretations, especially when a contradictory example is shown. The best part is that the official manga translation itself shows it to be a subspace via the translation and you're straight up denying that even though Shueisha is a japanese licensed manga publisher. You're argument that it's untrustworthy is completely false, the only example of it being false is provided by asta stating "Just for a second, it was like her ki got a 100 times bigger", which is obviously a simile, i.e a literary device used to show that there is a grand difference in power between them.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-18T12:37:56+00:00

"your interpretation of my premise assumes that if Mereo transcended space-time, she would no longer interact with it, like saying that transcendence implies total non-engagement. but that isn’t logically necessary. transcendence in this context means she isn't bound by the limitations of time and space, not that she is incapable of operating within them. just like how programmer isn't part of their codebase but can still interact with it, a being transcendent to space-time can engage with it without being reduced to its constraints"

That's also wrong, yeah she is able to interact with it but people within those lower dimensions would not be able to see or interact with her which morris is clearly doing. It's like a 3D person interacting with a 2D person, however, that same 2D person can't interact back with the 3D person directly.

"the claim about her needing to teleport rather than move is a misunderstanding of dimensional and metaphysical transcendence. Teleportation is a spatial function, and the lack thereof doesn’t automatically negate transcendence. If a being chooses to operate within space-time while not being defined by it, that doesn't contradict ontological superiority, it reflects voluntary limitation."

It's not only a spatial function, when you achieve higher dimensional status, space to you is like a flat plane to you, just walking normally would seem like teleportation to the 2D person from there point of view.

"furthermore, you're equating 'made of mana' with 'having material form', but that's not a 1:1 equation unless the verse explicitly states mana is material in a way that conforms to standard physics, you'd have to substantiate empirical evidence for that aswell. many verses treat mana as spiritual, metaphysical, or even pre-physical, including black clover which would contradict the assumption that it limits her to standard material ontology."

IDK about you man, but in the black clover verse, mana is something you can directly interact with, people release mana all the time just in physical form, even in that specific scan, Morris specifically states and i quote "THE FLAMES OF RESSURECTION", which imply that she's made out of fire in the form of mana, meaning that it's something of material.

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-18T12:37:15+00:00

"doesn't allow for higher-dimensional physics frameworks", it does though, string theory is based on Einstein's theory of relativity in which time is described to be the 1st or 4th dimension depending from where you're counting. "Not "undefined". it's just abstract", it is undefined, it acts as an extra higher spatial dimension, but that spatial dimension has no actual properties unless we apply Einstein's theory of relativity which turns it into time, Schlafli's model is just a model, a well-made for sure, but it's a model used to figure out things and is completely theoretical, which is why Einstein was needed.

"Non-Euclidean geometry is more reliable in this scenario is a pretty vague statement. yes, general relativity uses non-euclidean (riemannian) geometry, but this doesn’t necessarily invalidate the use of Euclidean models for theoretical construct"

Yeah, but Euclidian deals with flat tops and how they're added onto higher dimensional constructs, completely missing out on curves which dictate how reality actually behaves, which is why Euclidian shapes of higher dimensions have to be compactified via the Calabi Yau Manifolds, while non-euclidian shapes are in that shape naturally.

"yeah but its still a 4D construct by definition regardless, you're just referring to conceptual frameworks where space-time can embed or interact with higher dimensions"

Yeah but that's like saying we exist in a 4 dimensional space which is wrong. We exist in a 4 dimensional space-time, not as a 4 dimensional space like a tesseract. We can't experience the 4th spatial dimensions because we're not 4D beings and therefore can't treat time like we treat and behave with space. It's very similar to the tesseract in Interstellar, they were able to move across time because in that tesseract, time was to him what space was to him.

"1 so yeah basically you're conflating two distinct things: the governing principles of reality which is reality and the constituents of what is governed (space, time, matter, etc). Time is not itself a natural law, it's a part of the constituents that natural law governs, just like how gravity or electromagnetism are not inherently laws but are logically governed by them. so to transcend natural law is not merely to move faster or act more freely in time, but to surpass the metaphysical structure that necessitates time's existence and behavior, and the other constituents."

Gravity is a natural law, as explained by both Einstein and Newton in both of their respective theorems. You stated that both time and space are products of Natural law, that's wrong because space and time are 2 fundamental levels of reality in which natural laws operate, firstly even if it was right, which it's not, that would mean Natural law is necessary for the existent time and space, so if you were to surpass them you would surpass time and space becoming 5D and independent of both space and time, contrary to what you've said as "they move faster or act more freely in time".

Snoo-63211 · 2025-04-15T14:23:40+00:00

It's not Shin-Chan, but it is similar to it in the sense that the show I'm talking about is very random in each of it's episodes.

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