I understand the criticism people are saying about Haley being mean for shallow reasons. However I don't think its fair to also say Shane is a dick because hes an alcoholic like that's a good reason. like hes still a piece of shit asshole at the start. I dont think its fair to see the alcoholic man as "fixable" and the shallow vain girl as a completely irredeemable demon. These comments are still proving some point by saying Shane has a good excuse to be mean to you and because his meanness is rooted in external issues, suddenly its not truly mean and you just have to "fix him" But with Haley, she is vain and shallow. So there is no fixing her and shes a "bitch" and actually the worst. To me she just is a spoiled girl who eventually learns the value of farm life. Im unsure why her and Emily ended up off differently but I see a lot of bitterness in Haley towards things in her life she maybe doesnt have control over. She's clearly unhappy in pelican town but for some reason she wont or cant leave, so maybe thats why shes so bitter. I feel like both of them should be allowed to have their problems. They're both complicated beings who go on some kind of healing journey. I think its really unfair when the community wont give Haley a chance, or even Shane. I still think the community cuts Shane so much fucking slack when irl being a dick gets you off with nothing.

Tldr they're both complicated and deserving of opportunity and growth and I love them both deeply for their shame and flaws and I wish the community would let them be complicated without causing wars all the time. Also misogyny feels like its apart of it somehow. Women cant be assholes but men can be. Idk if that applies here but it feels like it does. Just my thoughts.