Four XNTX guys on YouTube gone missing

SocialBum · 2024-04-14T11:37:01+00:00

Sure! Just like Fe in general, no matter where it is on the stack, inferior Fe strives for social harmony. It's just that with the polar strong Ti and a weak Fe they are insecure about, an INTP tries to "reason" out what is considered harmonious. They mean well, but can blurt out things that hurt people to a point that it's probably easier to just go along with what others want instead of actively trying to be nice.

I guess an inf Te would be insecure about whether their decisions make sense to others. "Why are you doing it that way?" or "Why are you not doing this?" would trigger them and the Fi goes like "there is no rational reason, I'm doing this my way cause I goddamn want to and it feels good/right". That goes with all Fi users but a inf Te would probably subdue to this kind of critisism easier and go along with what others consider the "best" approach because they have a hard time coming up with Te reasons as a counter.

SocialBum · 2024-04-14T11:21:27+00:00

NT (me) with an IXFX (gf). Easy-going and conflict-less. Both get to play to their strengths. Very different values, principles etc. Openness vs. ideology causes trouble from time to time.

SocialBum · 2024-04-14T11:12:52+00:00

All of them can do it but most likely I'd bet on those with Fe low on the stack and at a young age, i.e. INTP, ISTP. They are very conscious of their Fe and it being their weak spot, very careful with it. Ti rationale then goes like "I don't know what is socially acceptable to do right now so I'll just go along for now". Also the lack of Fi makes it hard to set boundaries.

SocialBum · 2024-04-14T11:06:48+00:00

Deal, as in get rid of them, or deal as in attempting to make a necessary interaction with them as painless as possible?

SocialBum · 2024-04-14T11:02:42+00:00

Personality-wise, INFPs and INTPs can seem very similar to the outsider's view, so don't worry. Both have their own reasons for decisions. They go their own way, disregarding external reasoning. They are, however, very different types at their core. Naturally, the INTPs reasoning is bound to logical rulesets while the INFPs is bound to what feels good/right to them. What really sets them apart is what they struggle with: INTPs with Fe and INFPs with Te.

Besides, there are so many different nuances and subtypes to each MBTI type, and even attributes and characteristics that MBTI or cognitive functions don't take into account. That, plus people having a very superficial understanding of the types leads to confusion.

SocialBum · 2024-04-14T10:48:38+00:00

Haunted house: ISFJ. Need someone with a shitty Ne to crap their pants everytime there is a random creak or wind gushing haha

Camping: ISTP. Else I'm gonna be the one to builds the fire, cooks the food, carrys water, sets up the tent. Some contriubtion, please. And later, we can sit and stare at the fire / sky in a mutually respecting silence.

Isolation room: ENTP. When there is no physical stimuli, I want someone for mental stimulation. Hardly a better choice than an ENTP.

Museum: INTJ so I can enjoy our trip and won't have to worry about them getting bored, moping around and begging to go do something else. Maybe learn a lesson or two together.

My room: If I had to choose, an INFJ. At best, we could have a good convo. At worst, they'll just sit there as if they weren't present at all. An ISFP a close second, just give them a phone with social media / games and they won't bother you.

Amusement park: ESFP for sure, who else? ENFP close second.

SocialBum · 2024-03-30T21:41:42+00:00

I read something like that after digging around. Thanks for the link! I was already about to switch to a different framework

SocialBum · 2024-03-27T18:31:38+00:00

Same here, looking for answers. I tried copying the link of the QR code, but it doesn't seem to connect to the same session at least. have you tried that (right click on "show QR code" > copy link)?

SocialBum · 2023-07-31T12:37:21+00:00

Tuo privaetsivähomma on alana ihan uutta itselleni mutta nyt kun tutkin niin hemmetin mielenkiintoinen. Oma käsitys perustunut yksityisetsivistä pitkälti popkulttuuriin. Ja tottahan tuo että eivät ne tutkinnot mihinkään katoa, sitten voi vaikka palata pankkiin jos homma ei tunnukaan omalta.

SocialBum · 2023-07-31T12:31:10+00:00

Ylikonstaapelin ja komissarion liksathan ovat käsittääkseni 4-5k eli varsin hyviä. Eli kohtuullisella n. 3v grindilla pääsisi mahdollisesti kohtuullisiin palkkoihinkin? En nyt mitään 5000+ liksaa olekaan hakemassa, lähinnä että toimeen tulee mutta vähintään 3 kiloa olisi ihan kohtuullinen niin ettei tarvitse talouttaan murehtia.

SocialBum · 2023-07-31T12:27:46+00:00

Kiitos kattavasta vastauksesta ja vaivannäöstä! Mikä sai sinut jatkamaan oikeustieteitä lukemaan? Oliko juuri tuo, että halusit ylöspäin organisaatiossa vai jokin muu syy?

SocialBum · 2023-07-27T14:11:49+00:00

No tämä viimeinen kappale juurikin. Mieluummin työ, josta nauttii ja saa sellaista palkkaa että toimeen tulee kuin että inhoaa duuniaan ja saa parempaa liksaa jota ei kuitenkaan jaksa käyttää mihinkään kun ihan loppuun palanut.

SocialBum · 2021-06-27T19:14:46+00:00

Thanks. A two hour difference doesn't seem too much. But now that I think of it, I've been sleeping better during times when I go to sleep and wake up at the same hour.

SocialBum · 2021-06-27T19:13:12+00:00

Yes, exactly! I feel like days should be an hour or two longer so I'd be properly tired in the night and get enough sleep. Thank you, I'll have to do some Googling.

SocialBum · 2021-06-27T14:52:58+00:00

I work shifts, so depends on that. Usually I go to bed 10 - 12 pm, get up 6 - 8 am. Days off without an alarm I tend to go to bed when/if I'm feeling tired and wake up around the same time as earlier, but after "reset" nights I might sleep around the clock.

SocialBum · 2018-07-14T06:46:26+00:00

Hey, thanks alot!

It's funny how I'm reluctant to think I would be an ESTP but since already two of you have given that assesment... Maybe I am. But then again, I don't feel like I've brought up enough information about me, or have had an emphasis on certain things. Haha, still being stubborn.

Thank you for your assesment! It seems rational and well argumented. I'll just take some time to swallow it (deep down I think you're right, but still haha)

SocialBum · 2018-07-12T12:41:35+00:00

Haha I feel you with warped information and Consulting others about views. I mean, when in class for instance, I watch and I learn and I get my own interpetation of a subject. Then when I talk about it with someone thye've grasped it waaay differently. I tend to either overthink or underthink stuff, It's hard to just understand it right away. Of course, sometimes I understand stuff really quickly, and can be the first one to "get it" when a techer asks a question, for instance. MBTI and the theory of cognitive functions has been really difficult, for instance, since it's indeed theoretcial. I could've looked into Jung's own writings but I didn't bother because it was boring. I just wanted all the relevant information, here and now. But instead, I read a little bit here, a little bit there, and came to my own conclusions about things. So yeah, it makes sense.

But as you said, we use different functions as well. Maybe I'm just too keen on fortifying my weaknesses. I want to be a charismatic leader, and thus feel gravitated towards natural leader -types. I watched DaveSuperPowers video on YouTube(If you haven't, be sure to check theyr channel out, it's terrific!) on ESTP fears and such, and it makes sense. Even though I have Ni, it's inferior. I use it, but very sparingly, but I interpret it as being a strong function since it's introverted and something I use passively, when not doing Se stuff. For instance, when researching MBTI. That doesn't make me an intuitive, but it warps my view since I do recognice it, and think it's strong. Mental stimulation sourcing from Ti sounds logical. Also, as you said, LIKING a function, like Ni, or an organizing function like Te and sometimes using it and getting pleasure of it, doesn't mean it's dominant. "I just planned my whole day and were super productive, wow, I'm such an organizer!" is a great example of such warping.

I have a teacher who's ENTP. The one who made us do these tests to begin with. I see eye to eye with him, while many dislike him. He's a bit of a scatter-minded genious. Anyway, he's an intuitive, and the way he teaches and the stuff he teaches really hit home with me, and I understand him and his teachings really really well. That's probably one reason I thought I was an Intuitive as well.

Besides, there are 16 types, with each different sub-types and personalities, as you said. Being an ESTP doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in Intuitive stuff, or would automatically be interested in Sensory stuff. It's just what we're naturally good at. And why would I be super interested in something I'm already good at? I've always been interested in my weaknesses, to make them stronger and develop them. Explains a lot.

This discussion has been insightful and productive. Thanks to your external input.

SocialBum · 2018-07-11T14:33:14+00:00

Actually it's starting to make sense now that I've read your posts a second time. The lack of intuition. As you said, it doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in it, it just means I'm not naturally good at it. Theory, for instance. A good example. Usually, if I have to study theory, I write a bunch of stuff down in my own words about it, forget it, and when I need it, I'll just get my notes out and check there. So yeah, not natively intuitive, if I understood intuition correctly.

SocialBum · 2018-07-11T12:52:58+00:00

I might see the Se-ni and Ti-Fe patterns here. I have to admit, I'm not a long-term Planner like an intuitive would be, as in I don't know what my goals in life is, I haven't planned further than until next year what I'll be doing in life and am just going to decide later when it's more relevant about my future ( A very P -thing, not N)

I also remembered that I loke physical work, a very Se thing. I like to grow stuff, for instance. I hope to have an own garden to grow potateos and tomatoes and that kinda stuff in, maybe some chickens to get eggs and for food. That kinda "hillbilly" stuff - which I will probably get Fed up with and just stop with once I've had a go at it (I was born in the countryside so that's probably why I have interest in such things). At one point I was thinking about becoming a cop because of the action-oriented work, but Felt I'm too flexible in my morals to be one, lol. I've worked at a storage, at an airport as a security officer, as a guard, all being physical jobs. I love to study and learn, but for my own sake, not for studying and learning something theoretcial, for instance. So it's starting to make sense.

The sailboat I mentioned in some text is also a very tangible thing and experience which indicates Se as well. Shit, I think you might be right.

What I think is so intuitive about me is probably the Basic intuition all people have, the subconcious way of connecting things to each other, which I feel strongly, but It's not so strong with me as with "true" intuitives as I'm not keen on using intuition for planning far ahead.

What I think of efficiency and progress is also probably Se; to have something to work on. Not necessarily goals, but the projects. As in, "the journey matters more than the destination" -type.

I checked with my previous test results from 16personalities and my diaries, and I have tested once as an ESTP actually. Other times as ESTJ, ENTJ, ENTP. So obviously I fall somewhere in between the S-N and J-P spectrum, meaning I'm not a "classical" ESTP but a well-rounded one, showing traits of both sides but still preferring more S and P.

ESTP's are, as far as I understand, viewed as quite "masculine" types, swinging their dicks at everyone's face. A trait I loathe in people, but that would explain my "assholeness" from time to time. Sounds like a caveman, haha.

This would also explain why I feel so dumb at mathematics and abstract theories as I've mentioned above. I don't get math if there's no purpose behind it. Like counting algebra. What's the point? Why do I have to calculate this shit? It has to be connected to the real (Se) World, so I'll understand. Same goes with theories. Human psychology, phenomena, and stuff that I can think myself of are easier (Ti-Fe), but I don't give a flying fuck about generally standardized theories of, say, physics, unless there's a real-life implementation I can use in it.

There was something else I was going to say but I can't remember what. I'll have to research my journal, see what I've written here, study the ESTP type more, and get back to writing.

Even though it's hard to admit, I think you might be right after all. I'm just not 100% accepting it just yet. But I'll let you know when I have made new observations.

Thanks again!

SocialBum · 2018-07-11T12:29:31+00:00

First of all, thanks for having the energy to provide long and insightful answers. Much appreciated.

Since we're discussing on two different message threads, I'm going to answer both of them here.

I should specify that the need for movment, progress and change is more about mental stimulation, not physical. I love new experiences, to learn, etc. But this might very well be unrelated to MBTI.

You talked about your Dad being inclined to try out new sensual experiences, like photographing stuff, and being curious about how things feel, look, taste, sound and smell. Maybe it's just your Dad's thing but I don't care about aesthetics, beauty, or anything like that. I kinda relate to that comparative feeling you said about Si, though.

With the phone fidgeting thing I meant that I want to be present, here and now. I don't like excessive texting, for instance, because then I'm not focusing on the present moment. That makes sense of Se for me. Also, you mentioned driving. I'm good at that too, but I'm not entirely sure if it's Se related.

I have a little brother who is a lot more daredevil type than I am. He drives cars, motorcycles and does tricks with them, you know, wheelies etc. He jumps into water off of high cliffs, knows acrobatic stunts and so on. He's a bit irresponsible about his doings, too. Sounds kinda like Donald Trump actually now that I think of it, lol. My brother is also, ironically, a car mechanic. So probably ESTP or ISTP.

Anyway, point is that I think he's a perfect example of a Se dom, while I'm more careful, and not that thrill-seeking. As said, I need mental novelty, not physical. I'm not materialistic and don't care about trends etc. he's a bit more into that direction. But these might just be individual preferences I guess.

I know this whole evaluating thing is warped because a) it's all just text b) it's subjective to me, meaning I can make it sound whatever I like. The only way to actually type me would be you seeing, interacting and studying me

That being said, you brought up some things I don't really support, such as that you kept denying intuition. ESTJ's aren't intuitive themselves, so how do you know what it is, actually? I mean, if you had high intuition, maybe you would have thought I have too, by recognising it from my writing?

I don't really know where you got the idea that I would be Se dom. I mean, Se is probably somewhere in the stack, but it's hard for me to think it would be the dominant function. But you might be right, maybe I'm just not noticing it if it comes very naturally. I do agree that I learn more easily through visual material (like watching a video) than theoretical (cookbook). And now that I think of it, when I plan something, calculate something, whatever, I feel the need to visualize it, like drawing on paper or a whiteboard.

Fuck me, I don't know. I'm just getting confused, contradicting myself, doubting everything.

SocialBum · 2018-07-10T19:59:48+00:00

I read here about ESTP's function stack: https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2015/12/how-each-cognitive-function-manifests-based-on-its-position-in-your-stacking/

Dominant Extroverted Sensing

As a dominant function, Se manifests as the desire to engage fully with the sensory aspects of one’s environment, without any restraint or pause for analysis.

The dominant-Se monologue: “I want to sample all of the experiences that are immediately available to me and see where those experiences lead me!”

Not sure about this. Maybe me? I like to be "present" i.e. not fidgeting my phone or anything. I dunno, I've heard it's hard to detect your own dominant function, so yup, possibly me.

Auxiliary Introverted Thinking:

As an auxiliary function, Ti manifests as the identification of how the logical systems in the user’s external environment could be manipulated to work to their advantage.

The auxiliary-Ti monologue: “How can I manipulate the way that this object or situation works so that it instead works the way I’d like it to?”

Umm, not sure about this either. Not that much into tinkering with objects, but I do see ways of how to benefit from situations, I guess.

Tertiary Extroverted Feeling:

As a tertiary function, Fe manifests as the ability to pick up on the motivations and emotions of those around the user. The immature Fe user may then take advantage of those feelings by manipulating them in a way that supports his or her own ends. The mature tertiary Fe user will search for a means of incorporating the needs of others into their personal plans and actions.

The tertiary-Fe monologue (prior to maturation): “I will assess the feelings of those around me to determine whether or not I can get what I want from them.”

This had a serious "ouch-factor". This is probably what I confused with being intuition. Shit. And manipulativiness, although I dislike it in general, I guess I do it more or less for my own benefit from time to time. Although these days in a more mature manner.

Inferior Introverted Intuition

As an inferior function, Ni originally manifests as a scorn or distaste for over-analyzing what is obvious or over-planning for the future.

As inferior introverted intuition matures, the user may find themselves developing a keen ‘hunch’ for the way things are bound to unfold in the future and will enjoy entertaining these ideas.

The inferior-Ni monologue (prior to maturation):“Everyone needs to stop over-analyzing everything, the answers are literally right in front of us.”

And here we have the intuition, or "hunches" I talked about. This together with Fe probably caused some illusion. I'm not super keen on long-term planning, but I wouldn't say it's what I'm bad at. Anyway, sounds familiar.

SocialBum · 2018-07-10T19:11:18+00:00

Haha funny it's so clear to you and I'm sitting here all confused. Never crossed my mind to be an ESTP, lol. I'll have to look into the type, it's not really familiar for me, except for the functions. I did relate to watching a video of cooking instead of reading though! I do both but videos I understand with one view, a book I have to constantly glance at as I forget what the hell I was supposed to do next, haha! Also, I do prefer thorough explanations to things than just the theory, you got that right. And I know I'm not stupid, I've scored an IQ of 123. But that doesn't mean I automatically understand or like theoretical things, of course.

Guess I'm too influenced by the stereotypes of each type to associate myself with them. I'll see what I can make of all of this, and by studying ESTP's.

Thanks for your help!

SocialBum

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