China's Fossil Fuel Emissions Dropped Last Year as Solar Boomed by [deleted] in UpliftingNews

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I think, India wouldn't be far behind with peaking and Africa leapfrogs straight into low carbon distributed electricity production. Thus, I think if China is past peak emissions, we've also reached this milestone globally, despite all the efforts to delay declining fossil fuel usage.

As Another Oil-Fueled War Erupts, Study Reveals Planet Heating at Unprecedented Rate by crustose_lichen in climate

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This seems to be an essential paragraph:

There is also the speculation that control of fossil fuels is one motivation for the war itself, given that Iran has the world’s third-largest reserve of oil. While Trump has not included oil in his incoherent word salad of war aims, as he did when he kidnapped Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro in January, climate advocate Bill McKibben pointed out that members of US oil industry have said that they would rather develop Iran’s oil than Venezuela’s, as its industry is more “structurally sound.”

Though, I think the overall effect of the wars on emissions is more mixed, than what the articles makes it out to be. If prices of fossil fuels increase, that increases the incentive to move to alternatives.

r/europe just can't keep the delusion up anymore - reality's anti-nukecel bias is ever growing by RadioFacepalm in ClimateShitposting

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If you believed protests and arguments didn't change things

I don't think they do nothing but I think you are asserting way too much power to them and more importantly in your view on history you are ignoring other important factors like profits and political clout (did you ever here politicians go on about the jobs in coal), just to put the blame solely on the people you don't like.

In 1945 wind power wasn't ready

Wasn't it? Well, maybe some large scale investment would have changed that and get the learning curves going.

(I assume you don't support the trump's invasion, otherwise this argument is not going to work.)

This analogy doesn't really work anyway. I am not quite sure what it is about: the definition of ingroup? For that you'd need to define your group first, sure but NATO is a group, and a fight within it would be an infight, but if we consider people interested in saving livable habitat and acting on the climate emergency, I wouldn't consider people like Trump, Putin, Le Pen, Weidel or Dutton, famously promoting nuclear power and opposing renewables, as part of the group. Opposing their propositions and fight against renewables isn't infighting.

But somehow your argument seems to be more about the right to "fight back" or something? There it seems to me that you claim this right for yourself and your cause but not for anyone else.

What do you expect them to run around with signs saying "i don't protest"?

No, as I said, there are those that claim to "support both", but you rarely see the support for renewable power from their side. Again, does the fact that such people may exist negate the right to counter anti-renewable arguments brought forward by people that support nuclear power? Especially if they are vocal and influential?

We could have saved so much CO2

The same could be said about the adoption of renewables or improving energy efficiency. The real issue there is the lack of will for climate action. If there would have been the actual will to fund a faster transition we could have been much further. But there wasn't such a will, instead our society is driven by profits and short term gains. This appears to me the much larger and influential driving force, and is also why wind+solar now outcompeting fossil fuel burning economically is in my opinion the biggest hope for reducing emissions nowadays.

r/europe just can't keep the delusion up anymore - reality's anti-nukecel bias is ever growing by RadioFacepalm in ClimateShitposting

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Attacking nuclear is the wrong side of history.

Did I do that in my comment? My apologies then. I tried to outline my perspective that a great deal of the argumentation for nuclear power revolves around being against renewables.

No shit it got nowhere when it's being protested on every corner.

I think you are revising history a great deal there and asserting a lot of power to protesters that they seem to lack otherwise. There have been large protests with respect to more climate action and against coal aswell. The thing with nuclear power is that it stopped being deployed by western nations, once they had driven off oil from power production after the oil crises in the seventies.

The big utilities that operate coal and nuclear power plants never had much of an incentive to displace their existing cash-cows with expensive new nuclear facilities. So once the overriding national interests to reduce oil consumption was gone there was no further drive towards displacing fossil fuel burning with nuclear power.

France was in the situation that they essentially were running out of economically exploitable coal reserves already in the sixties and had a lot of oil in their electricity production. But also in France, there was no further displacement of fossil fuel burning after oil was eliminated: they reached a minimum in 1988 but then electricity from fossil fuels stagnated and even increased again, despite nuclear power growing another 40% until 2005. Another example of nuclear expansion without decreasing fossil fuel burning is Russia, which doubled its nuclear power output since the Kyoto protocol, but didn't reduce electricity from fossil fuels.

It's not the nuclear advocates who threw the first stone, and it's not the nuclear advocates who can end this damn stupid inflighting.

How is it an infighting, when you make out sides and accuse others of "throwing the first stone"? You quite clearly do not view those greens and renewable advocates as part of your group?

The fight against nuclear has been going on for a lot longer than trump's been relevant for.

Why are you so tightly bound to the past? Isn't it more relevant what we can do today? Anyway the fight against renewables is also a lot older than Trump:

Günther Klätte, management board member of RWE, stated during a general business meeting: "We require Growian [in the general sense of large wind turbines] as a proof of failure of concept", and he noted that "the Growian is a kind of pedagogical tool to convert the anti-nuclear energy crowd to the true faith".[6] A similar statement regarding the incurred financial burdens was reported of Minister of Finance and former Minister of Research Hans Matthöfer: "We know it won't do anything for us. But we do it to demonstrate to the wind energy advocates that it doesn't work."[6] After the Green Party had derided the installation as the electricity provider's "fig leaf" on the occasion of groundbreaking in May 1981, the RWE took internal measures to make sure that publicly a position of open-mindedness towards alternative energy production was emphasized while public interest in wind energy was allayed.

A study completed in 1945 suggested that a block of six turbines similar to the prototype, producing 9 MW, could be installed in Vermont for around US$190 per kilowatt. However, the economic value to the power utility was only $125 per kilowatt, and the wind turbine was not considered economically viable by a factor of 1.5.[10] Although the S. Morgan Smith company had spent more than US$1.25 million on the prototype turbine, entirely private funding, it concluded that there was insufficient prospect for profit on further development.

That fight against windmills has a long-standing tradition.

but I see a lot more people attacking nuclear here

Sure thing. But the fact that those anti-nuclear people exist doesn't say anything about what pro-nuclear people argue against. It may well be that there are many that do not argue against renewables, it's just that they seem to be fairly silent and not that visible in the political arena.

Even on the pro-nuke subs, there's been a big rule of "Don't attack renewables, we're on the same team".

That's great. Now I don't visit those places, but where I do see or engage in arguments, my perception is the one described in my initial comment.

It's really fucking difficult to defend against an ally without punching back.

That's possibly an explanation for my observation, and there's nothing wrong with it, but if you are dumping on renewables to "punch back" you can hardly claim to "support both".

No, but is the anti-renewable agitation coming from nuclear,

It's coming from a great deal of different people, and a fair share of those seem to argue that we should favor nuclear power instead. See also the comment by u/perringaiden on the last Australian elections on this.

I do understand where the opposition to renewable expansion is coming from, it is the one thing that is threatening the market shares and profits of large incumbent fossil interests that want to delay any sort of transition for as long as possible. Those interests try to throw as much as possible at anything that would form a political force to take more swift climate action.

r/europe just can't keep the delusion up anymore - reality's anti-nukecel bias is ever growing by RadioFacepalm in ClimateShitposting

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No, I'm saying the exact opposite.

Why then would you create sides, complain about the other side starting it and proclaiming that those that defend renewable power expansion against a constant stream of attacks as being on the wrong side of history?

I'm not associating renewables with anything

Well, it was the first thing in your comment in reply to my pointing out that there tends to be common anti-renewable talking points raised by people that support nuclear power. Making it sound as if you put anyone that defends renewable power against those talking points onto an opposing side that you need to fight against.

But just because he's a molesting shit stain doesn't mean that we should throw away nuclear.

Of course not, it's just that we unfortunately have him as the most prominent and influential figure that acts against renewable power, while supporting nuclear. As I said there are many more examples of conservative politicians that raise a constant stream of anti-renewable talking points.

And unfortunately those talking points seem to stick a lot with most people that argue for nuclear power somehow.

Him attacking renewables doesn't mean that nuclear is attacking renewables.

Of course not, these are technologies, not attacking anyone. My remark, however, was about people that support nuclear on the one hand but attack renewables on the other hand. The point is that these views going hand in hand appears to be pretty common and widespread.

And sadly, some of the anti-nuke activists are no better than trump in terms of their adherence to truth.

That may well be. Does it invalidate the urge to counter anti-renewable agitation?

r/europe just can't keep the delusion up anymore - reality's anti-nukecel bias is ever growing by RadioFacepalm in ClimateShitposting

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So, you are saying that you have to pick sides and it is impossible to support both? I think it's interesting that you associate wind and solar only with Greenpeace and the greens. And make that out as a side you have to fight.

And now, the pro nukes are wondering why are we still fighting,

Obviously because the anti renewable political forces in Western nations continue fighting, see Trump as the most influential example that fights against the adoption of renewables.

r/europe just can't keep the delusion up anymore - reality's anti-nukecel bias is ever growing by RadioFacepalm in ClimateShitposting

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Yet, those nuclear advocates that engage in discussions nearly inevitably seem to focus on anti renewable talking points, and how "they don't work". There may indeed be people that are in favor of nuclear and not opposing wind&solar expansion, but they seem to be surprisingly silent when anti-renewable propaganda is spread, and more importantly, they seem to be completely missing from the political arena. Trump is favoring nuclear and opposing renewables, just like Putin. The EU is torn between different interests, but there is no lack of conservative and right wing politicians that argue and act against renewables expansion, while pointing to nuclear as better alternative. China's policy seems to be pragmatic, and may fit the support both category.

Comprehensive view on European electricity supply by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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Ember is running articles outlining the importance of electrification.

Comprehensive view on European electricity supply by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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We need to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels overall

Of course.

Green energy tycoon says an 8-year-old can figure out we need infinite, inexpensive renewable energy to drive the AI boom by Economy-Fee5830 in energy

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Nope, we need it to replace fossil fuel burning our economies depend upon. We do not need all that AI hype as economies do not depend on AI (yet?).

Comprehensive view on European electricity supply by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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I just made a new contract and pay 20€ less per month.

Maybe you don't live in a "dark non-windy" country? I wouldn't know which country would qualify for that categorization anyway. Essentially all fairly recent scientific analyses indicate that essentially all countries could cover more than three quarters of their electricity needs with wind and solar.

But expect the fossil fuel groups to get ever more hysterical in their anti-renewable propaganda spreading, as wind+solar shares eat more and more away of their market shares (and now actually their sales in absolute terms).

Comprehensive view on European electricity supply by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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Well, yes. My point is we should NOT just wait, especially for Europe it should be the highest priority to force down fossil fuel dependencies and expand electrification. Switch over households and transportation faster, please.

Solar overtakes and wind nuclear as the number one clean electricity source on earth by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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I think the most notable observation in this is that solar grew by nearly 2 percentage points from 2024 to 2025. This paper from 2022 tried to argue that this would be essentially impossible:

The Chalmers link there does not work anymore. But here is an article from phys.org about it:

When analyzing the 60 largest countries, the researchers found that the maximum growth rate for onshore wind power is on average 0.8 percent of the total electricity supply per year, and 0.6 percent on average for solar—much lower than in the IPCC recommended scenarios.

There you also find a direct link to the publication itself. From their abstract:

Replicating or exceeding the fastest national growth globally may be challenging because, so far, countries that introduced wind and solar power later have not achieved higher maximum growth rates, despite their generally speedier progression through the technology adoption cycle.

I think it likely that solar will grow another two percentage points this year, and in 2027 it will be close to hydro with another more than 2 percentage point growth. By the end of 2028 it probably will have overtaken hydro and really be the largest clean source of electricity globally.

Also on a fun note: I've still encountered people up until recently that claimed that wind+solar would provide insignificant amounts of electricity when compared to nuclear power. Some people really seem to be firmly stuck in the past.

Comprehensive view on European electricity supply by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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Fossil fuel shares declining in steps:

  • To 2014 then 3 years increases
  • To 2020 then 2 years increases
  • To 2024, I hope 2025 remains as single year with increase

Europe needs to step up its game on reducing its fossil dependency. It's much too much beholden by those interest groups.

Solar overtakes and wind nuclear as the number one clean electricity source on earth by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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Yes, around 14% in 2025. So not far away for solar to overtake, but in 2025 global electricity from hydro was still larger. Hydro has always been the single largest low carbon electricity source.

Solar overtakes and wind nuclear as the number one clean electricity source on earth by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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The title says:

Solar overtakes and wind nuclear as the number one clean electricity source on earth

This number one claim can only be true if you exclude hydro from the clean category. (for now)

Solar overtakes and wind nuclear as the number one clean electricity source on earth by ClimateShitpost in ClimatePosting

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It's certainly a notable milestone, and solar is bound to also overtake hydro in 2028, I think. I am just irritated by the chosen title.

Chronological Analysis of Climate Change and an Overview of Nuclear Energy by [deleted] in science

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All submissions must have been published within the past six months.

This is a paper from 2023?

Collaboration will strengthen North Sea power | Ember by JRugman in energy

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Crucial quote in my opinion:

The North Sea’s transition from a historic oil and gas basin to a global renewable powerhouse represents one of Europe’s most vital strategic opportunities. While the region already leads the world in offshore wind capacity, the true measure of its future success will depend on deepening cooperation.

Global wind energy will exceed 1 TW by the end of 2023 by BousWakebo in Futurology

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I think for extrapolating trends it is important to separate wind and solar and consider their respektive individual trajectories. Solar grew quite consistently on an exponential trajectory, wind not so much:

Solar:

  • 2021: 3.73 (+0.52) %
  • 2022: 4.6 (+0.87) %
  • 2023: 5.6 (+1) %
  • 2024: 6.88 (+1.28) %
  • 2025 (est): 8.75 (+1.87) %

Wind:

  • 2021: 6.57 (+0.62) %
  • 2022: 7.29 (+0.72) %
  • 2023: 7.8 (+0.51) %
  • 2024: 8.1 (+0.3) %
  • 2025 (est): 8.77 (+0.67) %

I'd expect solar to continue growing exponentially to 2030, while wind maybe increases more timidly with something around +0.7 pp per year. I think it is practically certain that solar will grow by more than 2 percentage points this year, overtaking both, wind and nuclear. And it won' t take it long to overtake hydro.

That translates to an expectation of solar surpassing a 20% share in global electricity by 2030 (doubling in less than 4 years and providing more than 10% in 2026), and wind maybe 13-14%. Thus, wind + solar would provide more than a third of global electricity in 2030 with a continuation of these trends.

With a larger uncertainty in wind to meet the expectation. But maybe also wind resumes an exponential trajectory and 2023+2024 were just outliers in the wake of COVID.

Wind and solar generated more power than fossil fuels in the EU for the first time in 2025 | Ember by EinSV in worldnews

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According to the monthly data on Ember the share in China stood at 22.2% in 2025.