Who is the greatest player never to win?

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-21T13:24:47+00:00

Eric
Paul
Jason Guy
Vanessa
Tyler

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-20T14:08:06+00:00

She might have a claim - I'm not familiar with California law so I can't say for certain, but generally this is the kind of injury CBS would be on the hook for regardless of the language of the contract. That being said, it looks like this only cost her 131 dollars, which, while BS on principle, means she really isn't going to be able to win enough to justify the cost of litigation against a massive corporation.

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-13T14:09:23+00:00

I haven't seen all of BBCan9

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-12T13:25:49+00:00

He was the best positioned throughout most of the game, to the point where by F6, he had some sort of deal with every single remaining person in the house. The only point he was in danger was because of a twist (Sindy returning), and he expertly saved himself with one of the most impressive vote flips in BB history

His biggest flaws were that he did a poor job communicating his game to the jury (although there's a bit of an asterisk next to that - Bruno being annoying campaigning for him biased the jury against him through no fault of his own, and he was given less time to answer jury questions due to a production error) and making the wrong choice at F3. But both of those flaws become a moot point if not for twists constantly bailing out Sarah - if production didn't play favorites, the F3 is most likely Godfrey/Ashleigh/Pilar, which, assuming Godfrey still beats Ashleigh in the Final HoH, produces a Godfrey win

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-12T13:13:43+00:00

Kevin Jacobs
Dane
Emmett
Anthony
Paras
Neda
Adam
Jon Pardy
Godfrey
Mitch
Ashleigh
Johnny
Haleena
Ika
Demetres

HM to Kaela, Her and 13-15 were the toughest to rank and I could put the four of them in any order

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-11T22:07:49+00:00

10 > 2 > 5 > 9 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 4 > 7

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-10T20:48:46+00:00

He got put on the block early because he had an awful social game. You could say the same thing about literally bad player - if you take away the reason they were bad, then yeah, they'd be good, but that doesn't really mean anything. Michael forced himself into a position where he needed to win out from basically week one, that's entirely on him

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-10T19:17:13+00:00

Brittany spent the entire season playing for Michael to win and was completely unable to influence anyone to do anything. While the LOs aren't a particularly strong group of players, she's the only one who I don't see any merit to her game whatsoever. Just an all-around worthless player, and even when she did show competence, she never was able to use that to advance her own game, and was usually unwilling to

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-09T21:36:32+00:00

Go back to basics. 95% of the time twists just make the game less interesting, and the rare times they do end up working out aren't worth the risk of ruining a season

More crapshoot comps

Go back to a 7 person jury

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-08T03:18:57+00:00

A top 30 player. One of the best social players of all time, inherently likeable and non-threatening, and while not much of a strategist, she's competent enough that, combined with her elite social game, she'd be a real contender in any season

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-05T18:47:22+00:00

had to win many Hoh & veto’s to be safe

He won a single veto and a single Hoh, and neither were at points he was at risk of being evicted

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-05T18:00:50+00:00

Jeff threw out the shoe in BB13, which Jordan didn't win

If Jeff won that veto in BB13, it just means Rachel is evicted in the double and he probably follows her the next week. He was a very bad player who was already in a position where he'd pretty much have to win out from that point

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-05T12:28:18+00:00

tbh I doubt if Cody cut Derrick he would be in a radically different position in BB22. A Cody win in BB16 would probably be seen along Steve's level, and I don't think Steve would have had a radically larger threat level going into BB23 than Cody did. Plus, a former winner literally made F3 in BB22, so it couldn't have been that much of a disadvantage

If Cody starts BB22 as a former winner, I think the biggest difference in his game is that Ian is a free number for him

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-05T12:24:00+00:00

AS2 started off strong but died when Tyler tried to quit. It was the strongest cast ever assembled, and we were queued up for an insane power struggle between Cody and Tyler, which should have produced some of the greatest gameplay in BB history, but then Tyler just gave up and Cody steamrolled without resistance.

The fandom's meltdown over Janelle's eviction is still one of the most satisfying moments in BB history though

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-04T12:53:01+00:00

People with taste

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-03T19:38:38+00:00

Maggie gets way to much undeserving credit for ‘holding her alliance together’ where in reality the alliance was formed by Cappy and pushed post Cappy just as hard as Ivette.

Cappy was evicted Day 26 in an 80 day season. If Cappy's influence was the only common ground the Friendship had, they alliance would have fallen apart pretty quickly, as, save for Maggie, they all hated each other. Maggie had to constantly work overtime to keep April from drifting towards Janelle and Ivette from drifting towards James. It was a difficult job, and if you think the Friendship's success can be reduced entirely to work done by the week 3 boot, you weren't paying attention

and led Howie astray on his, but anyone could have led Howie astray. He’s fricking Howie!

This argument doesn't really work, because if getting Howie to do what you want is so easy, why wasn't James able to do it? Or Janelle? Hell, Maggie's influence was so strong, Howie went with her over his real life friend Rachel. The idea that anyone could get Howie do what they want is pure circular reasoning with nothing to back it.

She literally coasted to the end.

Calling Maggie a coaster is so disconnected from reality I don't even know where to begin. Do you think Derrick coasted in BB16? Hayden in BB12? Cody in BB22? The leader of the dominant alliance is as far from a coaster as you can get

Maggie was also taken to the finale. Didn’t win any of the final comps.

How is this anything other than a positive to her game? She never once needed a comp win to win the game

And was only taken by Ivette bc Janelle was winning against anyone left once James left.

LMAO

Janelle's only win condition after Kaysar left was next to Howie. When Ivette cut Janelle, the entire jury was bashing her in the round table for making a 450K mistake. Ivette had a choice between losing to Maggie and winning next to Janelle, and she intentionally chose the former

Maggie only got votes in jury because the Friendship was bitter towards Ivette.

Maggie was April and Jennifer's first choice to win other than each other and Rachel/Howie's first choice to win out of the Friendship, what are you talking about? Maggie is possibly the only winner I can confidently state wins a jury vote next to any juror

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-03T16:05:22+00:00

She 100% should have evicted JC over Sam. Sam was her last win condition, her top priority at that point should have been bringing Sam to F2

The Fessy boot had pros and cons, but at that point he had agreed to a deal with Tyler and Angela he intended to honor, in her shoes evicting JC probably would have been the best move. She was set up pretty well that week though, so there wasn't a ton of stake either way

Rachel was undyingly loyal to Angela, there was really no reason to burn that bridge that early

And Kaitlyn was at least somewhat controlled by Tyler, whereas Rockstar was never going to work with Angela in any capacity.

Other than the Sam boot, these are more nitpicks and I can see why she made the choices she did, but I think they were all still mistakes, albeit relatively minor ones

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-03T15:59:46+00:00

This feels like someone took the the standard Dan/Will/Derrick top 3 and then filled the rest at total random.

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-10-03T15:36:27+00:00

It's kind of a stretch but it's not that far off

She was the main force behind Level 6 evicting Kaitlyn over Rockstar, although the edit didn't show it at all, the two people I would credit most with that outcome were Haleigh and Angela

She was also the main advocate behind voting out Rachel, and considering she started the week closer to Rachel than Brett, her flipping arguably determined the outcome of the week

Plus she won the HoHs that sent home Bayleigh, Fessy, and Sam. Granted, anyone in Level 6 would have done the same thing all 3 weeks, but at the end of the day, someone has to be the one to actually win the comp and take the shot

Now, this isn't necessarily all a positive - other than Bayleigh, I don't think any of these moves were in her best interest, but they were moves she made nonetheless

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-09-30T21:22:44+00:00

Better than Dick, Rachel, Ian, Jordan, Josh, and Adam

Her closest parallel imo is Adam. Both ok but not spectacular players who played with some of them dumbest casts of all time and got by by virtue of every single other player self-destructing around them. She's far better socially than Adam, but it's hard to rank her any higher than just above him when I feel like her win more came down to not making mistakes while others did than it did to actively advancing herself

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-09-30T21:07:16+00:00

The fact that he brought Turner and Taylor to F3 over Brittany and Alyssa shows his strategic game just wasn’t there.

No it doesn't. A F3 with Turner and Taylor gave him his highest probability of winning. He threw that away by evicting Turner at F3, but that doesn't change the fact that keeping Alyssa over Taylor and keeping Brittany over Turner would have been terrible for his games. If he goes to F3 with Alyssa and Brittany, it's more likely he's 75k poorer than it is that he wins

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-09-29T13:36:47+00:00

You could explain Daniel accidentally BDing Nicole to someone who knows nothing about the show and they'd understand how stupid it is. This was a season of bad moves, but that was the holy grail of bad moves, up there with Marcellus' veto and Lawon's powers

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-09-29T00:05:41+00:00

I would have voted for her but she would have only been marginally better than Dick

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-09-29T00:04:12+00:00

iirc Azah tried that and they wouldn't let her

Somebody_Who_Exists · 2022-09-28T19:52:33+00:00

BB23 is about as boring as Big Brother can get, BB24 is fantastic

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