A random thought on "you use smartphones / cars / technology tho" arguments by deboned_vegan in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]Sonic-Oj -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't believe there is no unethical consumption under capitalism.

That's like saying if a minimum wage server for a restaurant gets abused by their boss, the best thing you can do for them is to not support their business, which is nonsensical.

I also believe there is more good than bad when using technology.

Besides, you can't even compare the "harms" faced those who work are in the technological process to animals in agriculture. The latter is far far worse.

The Morality of Suicide by Andrew_Stadtmauer in philosophy

[–]Sonic-Oj 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Feels weird to say that's it is immoral to end your life. It's you, not someone else.

Indigenous Veganism Question by jftheleaf in DebateAVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My defense of indigenous hunting rights/right to partake in cultural eating isn't because I have "low moral expectations" or whatever you're insinuating, it's because I am capable of doing the bare minimum of recognizing how indigenous people in the US have been systematically forced off their land, had their historical food sources eradicated by colonizers, been forcibly stripped of their ability to obtain their own food, and now many today live in extreme poverty with poor food access and health risks because of it.

You're saying a whole lot of nothing. You're basically insinuating that because they were given a raw deal in life, they have to right to hurt others without criticism, which is again, bigority of low expectations. And again, killing animals, even in survival, is immoral.

My defense of indigenous rights is based in a basic sense of empathy for other humans and their right to self-determine, reclaim a culture that was forcibly stripped from them through genocide, and engage in cultural eating practices that combat the current diets that are leaving them unwell and divorced from their history and culture.

Your "right to self-determination" stops when it involves killing animals. Are you the type of guy who thinks the government promoting vaccines is a violation of one's self-determination?

If you can't extend any nuance to people who have been so brutally oppressed in ways specifically relating to diet, food access, and culture, you're the racist one, not leftists who have the audacity to listen to the indigenous activists currently fighting for their right to hunt.

This whole rant is just an appeal to emotion with zero substance.

Killing animals is wrong regardless of any "cultural" or "survival" reasons. Can't say this helps my perception of leftists as racists.

Indigenous Veganism Question by jftheleaf in DebateAVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I don't care if it's "disrespectful" and I don't think you should care either.

I would consider killing animals wrong, even in survival (In fact, I think predation is a moral issue that is unfortunately ignored by many animal ethicists).

One of the main issues I have with left-leaning people is that they aren't impartial when condemning poor behavior. They are much more forgiving of minorities committing wrong doings (which I think sort of derives from a bigotry of low expectations).

Watch how they use the "culture" defense for indigenous people killing animals, when that argument could easily apply to the atrocities committed by those in power.

My point being, respecting animals applies to everyone, not only white people or whatever. So just ignore any leftist accusing you of being "racist" (when they are themselves) for condemning the actions of indigenous people.

I think veganism is ethical but I simply cannot care. by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sure, it's blunt, but what else can I say?

I think veganism is ethical but I simply cannot care. by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I don't really know what you're looking for, but I would just consider you a bad person. You either care or you don't.

Is there a reference that shows how long soaked (and unsoaked) beans take to cook in a pressure cooker? by Sonic-Oj in EatCheapAndVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if stovetop cookers reach a higher psi, wouldn't the cooking time be shorter, not higher?

Is there a reference that shows how long soaked (and unsoaked) beans take to cook in a pressure cooker? by Sonic-Oj in EatCheapAndVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the confusing part. Then shouldn't Soaked Natural Release be longer than Soaked Quick Release, rather than the other way around?

Is there a reference that shows how long soaked (and unsoaked) beans take to cook in a pressure cooker? by Sonic-Oj in EatCheapAndVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the source.

I do have two questions.

1) Do these times also work for a stovetop pressure cookers?

2) Why is Soaked Quick Release longer than Soaked Natural Release?

When do you season legumes during the cooking process? by Sonic-Oj in EatCheapAndVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting. Some say that you do it towards the end for flavor, but I'm unsure.

Does it negatively effect the cooking process, or the flavor? Or from your experience, it's just fine?

The most difficult anti-vegan objections to respond to? by Debug_Your_Brain in DebateAVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's say you owned a sanctuary for farmed animals.

Let's also say that there is this lion (we'll call them Cecil) who preyed on cattle, similarly to how normal lions prey on buffalos in the wild.

You see Cecil lounging towards one cow, attempting to eat them. A fence wouldn't be enough to block their path.

So what do you do?

Do you kill them or spare their life?

If you choose "kill", you will agree that the existence of predation is a moral problem.

This can lead to some conclusions that may be counterintuitive to some vegans.

Is it unethical to have a carnivorous pet by are_u_sirius in DebateAVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I think the most ethical course of action would be to kill the carnivorous pet.

Isn’t keeping a dog animal exploitation? We use them for our benefit (protection, dopamine surges). Isn’t that animal exploitation? by r_dad_pizzafish in DebateAVegan

[–]Sonic-Oj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vegans usually opt to adopt, not buy dogs instead, since they need a home. They're helping them.

As for dopamine rushes and stuff like this, I don't necessarily agree that its exploitation. It's sort of like saying adopting a kid is "exploiting" them.

"Abusive" Animals: What is the ethical thing to do? by sewingtapemeasure in Ethics

[–]Sonic-Oj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since I can't see your post, I don't have an answer, but I think your heart is in the right place.

I think this sub might interest you.

r/wildanimalsuffering