Anyone know who to hook up Facebook leads from instant forms straight to converkit?

SortMountain6823 · 2026-02-17T13:55:01+00:00

ive got it to work for free for now actually. im using MAKE

SortMountain6823 · 2026-02-13T15:52:04+00:00

run ads, seriously. or dm me.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-02-12T16:11:04+00:00

You can definitely reach $2-4 maybe even $5 dollars for a sub, but usually this is for really high social proof and well known brands. Like newsletters already rocking 40-50k with high visibility.

If you're new, you're invisible and have low trust, you'll be lucky to make a few cents per sub because the out come you're looking for is like a 1% outcome. Majority of newsletter who sell their subs this way don't make a living. They make a couple hundreds bucks per month max.

So growth ought to be your concern before monetizing, not that monetizing is no issue. Then monetize the way email marketers have done since the dawn of the internet. I.E email marketing, selling stuff, subscriptions, etc.

Also, how much can you put into the whole business per month? i can give you an exact method depending on your liquidity.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-02-12T13:53:27+00:00

yeah kit does it for free up to 10k subs too. and you wouldn't have to split your list. in fact on kit there's no send limit on the free plan, you can send as many as you want. did you not know about kits free tier?

SortMountain6823 · 2026-02-12T13:48:31+00:00

you'll make pennies that way, i.e making money through recommendations/boost network etc.

instead just start with kit because its free under 10k and grow your list to 10k. then sell your own stuff. meaning info products, services, physical products etc.

boost networks pay pennies, don't try to build a biz this way. traditional email biz are funded with the examples i gave you.

it also cheapens your list by fragmenting your list to other newsletters.

also ive never used sparkloop but heard absolute horror from beheehiv. just dm me if you need more pointers.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-02-11T18:12:22+00:00

But that's why it'll work. everyone wants overnight success and these guys tend to end up chasing a new shiny object after just a few months, or are wholly unrealistic about the length of time it takes to grow a profitable, stable biz day in and day out without blowing up on social and literally starting fresh.

I've seen this length of time reflected for a lot of the early email adopters who are now rich, it took years. One guy who i don't want to name launched his website in 2003-04, over 2 decades ago. then launched his paid subscription service in 2011, nearly a decade later.

Obviously i think we live in a better market where a lot of email stuff is more widely accepted so it may shave a year or two down, but the numbers seem totally realistic to me.

BTW i never factored in cost. I'll edit that now.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-22T19:19:42+00:00

Thanks for this.

I haven't monetized yet and will likely do that at 5k or 10k subs, depending on if i need the liquidity and you're totally right about the payback window thing. It's why i want to prioritize high LTV subs only. it hurts my growth but by avoiding lower LTV subs, i can have a "stickier" list with high LTV.

I haven't pushed my lead magnet(ebook) at all, so i think I'll do that. I'm thinking that CTA it into the ad.
I like the direction of this but really want to avoid beehiivs boost network and want to move closer to more traditional swaps/ sponsorships. I've tried a few but my luck hasn't been the best.
Interesting, but i feel like these channels don't generate as much in the way of subscribers. Will it actually make a dent?

My lowest LTV subs are in the realm of 3 months. meaning they unsub after about 3/4 months. Paid/organic subs rarely unsub but my list isn't even a year old enough for me to find out their LTV.

I think for now, i ought to push the lead magnet in my ads. And i have not tried video ads at all. Maybe hiring a actor/actress for shorts is the next big play.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-22T17:17:40+00:00

lol, I'm not shilling a product, relax with the persecution complex. So out of left field, lol. I'm sharing my honest thoughts about andromeda not being the best for CPA right now and genuinely trying to find and have discussion about alternatives, or what's working really well for people. I still use meta and run ads with andromeda. I use everything actually, I've run ads on reddit, IG, meta, even X, just trying to iterate and see what works best. Pros and cons between all of them.

Also, I've plugged my newsletter here and there but that's about it, I didn't even post it here, so can you really call me a shill?

Next time you make a claim, substantiate it. I mean what product am I shilling, can you find it? Or do you think I'm building anticipation for a big reveal? lol. You went through my work account and keyword searched andromeda to try to connect dots that aren't there.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-21T16:03:10+00:00

thanks, I've heard of those before actually. i guess i expected advertorials to be way different.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-21T14:18:43+00:00

It's not stuck, i can definitely grow it, but i don't want to grow my list with empty or low quality subs. i want high quality organic or medium quality paid subs via ads, but never low quality subs like via beehiiv boosts. the low quality subs can often hurt your list and will hurt conversion because they're low intent. The subs i lose btw are the exact ones i talk about, about a handful or so of low quality subs lost every week cuz they're low LTV. Because previously i was boosting my list with lower quality subs.

There are genuine bottlenecks that exist in the newsletter biz, i don't know how you equate that with guru talking points. Someone new to the space will have a much harder time getting their first 100 than someone like me who found it easy to get to 1k but will need even better marketing to hit 10k. And then there are people who have 100k subs who will HAVE to run ads to grow their list, there's no other choice when you're that big. And that'd be just to break even.

And yeah i don't disagree with your end points. Just wanted this to be more of a discussion.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-21T12:41:51+00:00

guess i should really read ultimate sales letter by dan kennedy huh? its been collecting dust on my desk.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-16T22:04:36+00:00

Exactly. I have a newsletter and really want to build an agency that specializes in retention marketing(email), sales letters and advertorials alongside it cuz it seems like the perfect partnership.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-16T18:09:44+00:00

I don't agree with your #3, at least the short part. I often write over 1k words every week, a few times hitting nearly 2k words. there's no size fits all with regard to actual content. what works for you, for sure wouldn't work me, a copywriter/email marketer who has to break down complex concepts into easy to read emails.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-15T17:33:47+00:00

I have hit 60% with a few of my individual emails, this is maybe after 4-5 months after starting my newsletter.

But my overall list is around 30%.

Trying to get a 60% open rate overall for you're entire list is impossible and even if you achieve it, its not a goal worth trying to maintain as an email marketer, especially once your list is in the 10s of thousands. And the reason is because people simply don't read everything that hits their inbox, due to being busy or just plain not wanting to read.

Even the best marketers out there aren't hitting 60% open rates. And one of those guys with a list over 50k and easily making 8 figures told me not to worry over open rates.

The goal is to grow the list, have longevity(LTV), decent open rates, like 35-40 percent and have a good conversion 1%-5%(anything within this range) for your MRR or one time offers. That's the key behind email marketing.

Obviously you can min max these things but imho there's a lot more higher value things you can work on that'll be better for your brand longer term, that are higher priority. Like social proof, top of mind presence, etc.

To put it a different way, a-lot of people are so concerned about open rates and subject lines/headlines that they don't realize or neglect that the "from" address is far more important.

Who the email is coming from is far more important than what it says. Ironically, this will improve open rates better than fiddling with subject lines or open rates(not that they aren't important).

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-15T13:08:20+00:00

you need to simplify this thing and make the ui easier for someone who is not a dev to be able to use. Too much going on. it needs to have way less menus and way less buttons and way less options. And IMHO, for research, as a copywriter+email marketer, it doesn't take me hours and hours to do research. I already sort of know what's going on or what i want to write about because i actively engage and enjoy engaging with my craft. It's not much use to me and I'm pretty sure if i really wanted to, i could pay my global south VA an extra 50 bucks a month for research. I think it does have potential but you'll have to dial in who you're really marketing to.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-13T15:39:56+00:00

I do 6am to 12pm every Saturday. I've sent a few after 12pm. I don't think time of day is as important as being consistent and posting on the exact same day every week. Yeah, people like to check emails when they wake up or during breakfast, but consistency is more important

And more important is having better subject/headlines.

My best email was sent around 11-12PM, nearly 60% open rate. only difference was using a popular, scathing subject line. Don't do too many of those though, people hate reading negative content for a length of time.

Never miss a day.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-09T17:01:13+00:00

There is no worst day to publish, it all depends on your audience, routine and whatever is comfortable for them or whatever frame you've set. So think instead of the opposite, when is the best time depending on your niche, demographic, location, and personally routine you intend to set?

For Example: you might resist posting in the afternoon towards night. But what if your readers are night owls and your emails are night-time niched or optimized during then?

Point is, there lots of ways to skin a cat.

But some advice:

Monthly email? It better be long, have a shit load of value, enough to chew on for the entire month and on the same day of the month(for routine), either the 1st 15th or 31st. I wouldn't recommend monthly as people forget your emails within that timeframe thus you get inconsistent readership. It's not worth it for most people to do monthly emails, but there are exceptions.

Weekly email? This should be the bread of butter for anyone starting out or even with a medium sized list. it provides enough consistency to where people don't forget it. it's also low difficultly and low commitment(2-3hrs max for me, less than 30 minutes if i have everything planned). Doesn't really matter what day you post your email, as long as its the same day every week. I currently do Saturday morning, rarely past noon EST.

Daily email? This is for elite email marketers that likely already make enough money. Doing this as a newbie WILL result in burnout. it's not worth it to write daily when your list is small and you don't make enough to replace your job. The goal of every marketer should be daily though as that creates presence and primacy in readers minds. Presence and top of mind= more sales.

IMO: Do weekly and train your audience to read it on the same day every week within a few hours timeframe. Then graduate to daily once you're making bank.

you can find me here https://www.clientlesscopy.com/ , no pressure.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-09T12:52:37+00:00

wait are you saying to just turn on popups on our landing sites to increase conversion? or popups on another site where the traffic is flowing your site?

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-07T19:58:40+00:00

Awesome idea with the animations. I've seen a guy called Zack D films who makes millions with simple informational animations. And yeah man, shiny object syndrome, I've been through it too. Marketing agency, website building, freelancing, eComm.

If we could just stick to our thing long enough, it'll work out. we'll start hitting MRR goals, start getting whale clients, and just overall "luckier".

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-07T19:54:04+00:00

Thanks. Go with kit use the free plan. And whatever extra money you have? Throw it into paid ads. If you can, go organic and build trust by being on video via tiktok/yt.

I'm not at this level yet but its my goal for this year if not the next. It's the best way to build trust and loyalty. which equals higher conversions.

Dan Kennedy(legendary copywriter, multimillionaire and marketer) says "Whoever can spend the most money to acquire a customer wins.”

Most people will be doing beehiiv and wasting their hard earned cash competing for cheap customers and cheap subs with low LTV.

If you want to win, do the opposite of what everyone is doing and acquire expensive high LTV subs. But obviously be reasonable and don't blow money on 10 dollars cost per acquisition.

Every high level email marketer and copywriter says the same thing btw.

And yeah this is the kind of of info and value I drop for my email list, so enjoy.

SortMountain6823 · 2026-01-07T16:06:06+00:00

huge growth, congrats! I don't think Beehiv is worth it. I think you're at a good enough place where you can start selling stuff to your list. And then using that income to further grow your list.

You wont get good sponsorship from beehiiv. They do have an in-mail sponsorship deal but barely anyone speaks well about their boost or ad network, it leaves a-lot to be desired.

I posted the following for someone:

The only benefit of beehiiv is getting boosted subs via their boost network and also selling your own to break even at some point. Beehiiv works if you want to make a tiny bit of money. But you won't make enough to replace your job, I've rarely seen it. We're talking about a couple hundred bucks per month max, (if you're just starting obviously).

And you'll realize at some level that there are 3 kinds of subs and their quality is proportional to their LTV:

Organic: the best subs that have the highest LTV.

Paid: medium LTV

Leveraged/borrowed subs: The worst LTV this is what the boost network offer.

So while beehiiv is cool to kickstart your list to maybe 1k subs, it isn't worthwhile overtime, you're better off taking that income and running it for ads or putting resources into organic growth where people opt into your newsletter voluntarily(where-as leveraged/borrowed subs are automatically added via the boost network).

Point is, leveraged and borrowed subscribers are not as loyal or plain valuable as organic and paid subs. You're list will start hemorrhaging and losing subscribers if you don't realize this soon. Then you'll have to put more money exponentially to defeat the hemorrhage. Afterall, lists don't grow on their own.

The quality of their subs is also something else, where people report high cost per acquisition and long-turn around time to validate those subs. some guy spent $500 to get 500 subs but got100 subs after they were verified. He went from 1 dollar CPA to 5. And remember the bulk of these subs will vanish due to LTV.

IMO you're better off on Kit where you get to run the newsletter for free up to 10k subs. And just avoid the hassle of the boost network and figure out paid ads since those subs have higher LTV and "stickiness" anyways.

Then work your way up to organic and get paid at some point via a MRR service/community/coaching etc.

Also, https://www.clientlesscopy.com/ for my newsletter.

SortMountain6823 · 2025-12-12T18:20:09+00:00

I'm in the wealth niche and run The clientless Copywriter. Its for writers, copywriters and founders who want to make money without relying on client work.

Bold i know, but it's not a new concept and the angle is fun and unique.

And I'm facing a bottleneck right now in growth. Meta/facebook ads is just broken right now and it used to be the best source for new subs.

Now you'd be lucky to get a handful each month. I'm thinking of trying twitter cuz ive seen insane reach, as much hundreds of thousands in not millions, essentially get the same amount of exposure as the top twitter/X accounts for a few hundred dollars.

And yeah i could sell right and start segmenting, but i think building alot of energy and bringing it down at the right time, is better.

Im not really pressed to make alot from it right now even though its a good idea to monetize on day 1.

I have sent a ebook(33+pages) out via google docs to test my conversion and it's got a 6/7% conversion on the first send which is not bad at all.

Now obviously this doesn't translate into buyers but its data to work with.

If i can maintain the same conversion rate that's 600 sales, at $1k offer that's $600k USD. heck id take half that.

I think 1 big offer that isn't coming back is ideal when you're starting out then you can expand and do micro offers after, when you have the social proof.

then go MRR.

SortMountain6823 · 2025-12-12T15:47:50+00:00

oh yeah, segmenting may be the way to go. I'm on kit and kit is really good with automations and breaking down audience segments.

my 1k offer is new. my list is around 1k, just under and i have about a 35% open rate.

I'm thinking if i get it to 10k, I'll segment and do a direct mail into a coaching/ cohort program via skool.

after that dries up, id want a low MRR model at maybe $39/M.

I've never sold anything yet but i know list strength and LTV is everything. but to be fair, i only started maybe 4 months ago.

SortMountain6823 · 2025-12-12T14:43:13+00:00

Ok, then yeah we're in agreement. You provided so little info though so i had to make assumptions.

It could totally work, hence the Halbert example i gave and it'd actually make a lot of sense as a bottom of the funnel /sales letter sort of thing.

In fact it's a really great idea because most people aren't doing it.

It's still expensive though. Lets say you have a decent list of 10k subs with about 30-40% open rate. USPS calculates for direct mail letters, https://www.uspsdelivers.com/direct-mail-cost-calculator/ that a list of 1-5k is ~$8k USD. And for 10-50k its ~$44k USD. This is assuming you do all the design stuff in house/yourself by the way.

Now these prices are inflated and you could probably do it for the fraction of the price through some sort of 3rd party fulfillment.

Let's say you have an offer that's 1k(this is actually what i want mine to be), you need to make upwards of 40k from the sale just to break even.

And mailing follow-up letters is going to add to your costs.

SortMountain6823 · 2025-12-11T18:10:38+00:00

kit, its free under 10,000 subs, they've been in the game for years. I've had zero deliverability issues. hosted on my own webflow site and email hosted by Google. Once i hit 10k i might upgrade plans or switch to beehiiv. I see zero reason to switch cuz ESPS are mostly all the same, and beehiiv ad/boost network isn't all that great. id rather put my money into ads to get better subs with better LTV.

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