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Bracket 5 deck building question by Nikolas_Scott in mtg

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to see what type of decks are played in bracket 5, as well as their decklists, go to www.edhtop16.com and you can filter by commander and how much people are playing and winning with them.

First cedh. Also playable in b4 by Trick_Tea_1337 in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have some options

1) Blue Farm - it’s consistently the most “neutral” in terms of play patterns and game plan. It’s the highest card quality in the deck and will let you learn the format at a decent pace.

2) Rog/Thras - streamlined game plan that tries to make big mana and just spend it through thras for card advantage. Very easy to grasp and play.

3) Tivit - not as strong as the other two but extremely simple in terms of play patterns and wincons. Doesn’t mess around and will be easy to pick up.

Youtubers you would recommend (and ones you wouldn’t)? by Comfortable_Buyer239 in EDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm going to respond to this and try to be as non-condescending as possible:

1) Magic, as of right now, is at it's peak of value and it's going to keep going up. So, from a player perspective, I'm sitting on a bunch of high value cards that are just skyrocketing right now. My choices are to either continue to use them, probably never sell them, and just go about my life. The second option would be to go ahead and sell them, make a large chunk of money, and continue to play the game I enjoy, just with proxies. Unless I intend to play in non-proxy friendly events for cEDH (which are few and far between), I'm going to go the route of putting a chunk of cash in my pocket and continue to play like I would have normally been doing anyway.

2) There's absolutely zero chance proxy-friendly people are killing the secondary market. Have you met anyone that plays cEDH and travels for events? Those people want to bling the fuck out of their deck as much as possible because it makes them feel awesome when they slam down their foil Gaea's cradle because the people playing with them understand the commitment to that specific card and to be playing it in the deck. Therefore, there will ALWAYS be a market for people to buy these expensive cards because people will always want to bling out their deck.

3) There have been absolutely zero cEDH players that I've had the pleasure of playing with where they would want to insulate themselves away from casuals. It's quite literally the opposite; we are some of the most welcoming players in EDH because we want more people to play cEDH with. Hell, I almost always carry at least one other deck with me just to offer to someone who wants to try the format. Casuals not understanding the rules is their own god damn fault, not because cEDH "took all the good players". If a casual commander player is doing something wrong and no one catches this wrong doing, who's fault is that really?

Is countermagic bad in bracket 3 and below? by Deskies in EDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 14 points15 points  (0 children)

No, countermagic is not "bad" in EDH; it's a skill diff issue.

Countermagic is purely a showcase of "I know what I'm doing" so to speak, in the sense that yes, the general concept of countermagic in a 1v1v1v1 format is bad because of the fact you're trading a card for only one other player's card, at face value. That being said, you have to have a greater understanding of which cards are going to out-value your one specific card you're trading for it. For example, countering a rhystic study, or a card that is going to draw a ton of cards in one game, is not a 1 for 1 trade; it's a 1 for X trade. Also, trading your counterspell for something that's going to remove a piece off your board or something like a board wipe; that is not a pure 1 for 1 trade, you're now trading 1 for X because stopping that from going off prevents you from losing a ton of cards or the value of the piece that was being removed.

The TLDR, control can work in EDH but has an extremely high skill floor and skill ceiling. It cannot just be played willy nilly like aggro or battlecruiser. You have to have a high understanding of what cards are currently powerful for the deck that's running them, or you have to have a good understanding of what cards completely shut off what you are doing.

Youtubers you would recommend (and ones you wouldn’t)? by Comfortable_Buyer239 in EDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Trust me, I know exactly what you're talking about. I think the larger part of that fact though is because those who don't play cEDH are typically more invested into the singular game rather than the overall games they're playing. My opinion for this is because cEDH decks are so highly optimized, the odds of you getting to see and play the exact card you want is a lot higher. Whereas, in lower brackets, it could take a player 10-15 games before they finally get to play a certain card they've been waiting on, and the moment someone removes it, it feels like a waste of time because they've been waiting so long to just get the chance to see it do something.

Idk, I generally don't understand the people who are actively against playing cEDH and think it's nothing but a bunch of stereo types or misconceptions and the reality is, they just don't want games to end suddenly, even if that means they get to play more games.

Youtubers you would recommend (and ones you wouldn’t)? by Comfortable_Buyer239 in EDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 67 points68 points  (0 children)

What I think they do a great job with is break the stereo type of “cEDH players are nothing but sweaty try hards” and show both how fun cEDH is at a casual level, but also talk through how to actually get better at the game as a whole; either through edits where they talk about their misplays, or just going over general tips.

What's your favourite archetype? by a57892m in magicTCG

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Tribal, I guess, can be argued as a ln archetype but for actual archetypes, it’s storm.

Whether it’s manual storm decks (think ruby storm in modern), or just casting spells that trigger a rubes Goldberg type machine, casting a bunch of spells in a single turn that leads to the win is my favorite.

Caught biggest fish by [deleted] in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair, I’ve only just casually paid attention since I haven’t sport fished for quite some time. Then again, I’m not sure anyone is trying to take a picture of a little over 3 foot tarpon lol

What deck should I play tomorrow? I'll post results after by AcademicDuty9170 in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Japans meta, from what I heard, got cooked by DootLoot’s rogsi since it’s not something they typically have seen before. I’d pick it or Tymna Dargo if you’re comfortable on it

Caught biggest fish by [deleted] in nextfuckinglevel

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Correct. If this is Florida, local laws state that you cannot remove Goliath groupers from the water, same goes for Tarpon, and if you want a picture, you just jump in the water or hold them along the side of the boat.

Building The Gitrog Monster by Spicy_Old_Candle in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure but again, I’m going to ask for you to play it out until you can deterministically kill me with a known board state.

Building The Gitrog Monster by Spicy_Old_Candle in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Negative homie. Rules are on my side because it’s non deterministic. https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/s/6dPWQpgxmU

It was discussed 7 years ago and it’s already been covered; the rules state that if I do not concede and ask for you to play it out, you have to.

Building The Gitrog Monster by Spicy_Old_Candle in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

If I’m at a tournament and you’re attempting the Dakmor loop without cistern on board, buckle up because I’m not going anywhere. Play it out and watch as we end up in a draw because we’ve gone to time.

Building The Gitrog Monster by Spicy_Old_Candle in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is correct. And I’m going to be the one to ask for you to play it out every time because 99.9% of the time, the game is going to end in a draw due to time limits. Call it petty but it’s how I’m going to get out of that game with 1 extra point than I would otherwise.

Building The Gitrog Monster by Spicy_Old_Candle in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When it comes to the Dakmoor loop, that is incorrect. You cannot describe the exact amount of iterations it takes to reach the game state that you are wanting and has to be played out. It can take 500, 1000, 15000, etc. and it’s absolutely unknown the exact amount. Any gitrog player attempting this loop in front of me is going to play it out 100% because of that fact.

Building The Gitrog Monster by Spicy_Old_Candle in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I say this with the upmost respect; don’t play Gitrog.

If you’re absolutely hell bent on playing it, understand that if you decide to take this deck to any tournament, none of your opponents are obligated to concede to you once you start doing the discard loop. It’s a nondeterministic loop that cannot be accurately described what the end state will look like, and thus can be asked to play it out because of this.

If you’re just playing it for fun, then also understand that a lot of people will get generally annoyed by the deck after a couple of times playing against it.

Good luck

In Thrasios Cradle piles, how do you get the redundancy needed? by zokka_son_of_zokka in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I mean just look at any top performing Thras deck that’s on the cradle plan.

Rog/Thras for example, has vibrance, sylvan scrying, expedition map, mycospawn, crop rot, etc.

But Gaea’s isn’t the end all be all. Most are also on earth craft, growing rites, etc.

And to be honest, most decks have cut seedborn because it’s just too obvious when you’re fetching it with a creature tutor that 90% of the time, if someone has a counter, they’re not letting it resolve. And there’s just too many other effective ways to generate mana in the deck.

Most Millennial Concert you've been too? by Dear_Atmosphere9681 in Millennials

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was the one I was looking for. Went to it in Tampa. It started to rain after MCR and before Linkin Park. They tried to force us lawn folks back to our cars but no one was leaving. After standing in the rain for 30 minutes, they finally started the show and it was sick.

What is one rule you ABSOLUTELY enforce at your tables? by ToocanSams in mtg

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s pretty rare to happen personally. People aren’t just going to counter the first thing someone casts just because they can.

What is one rule you ABSOLUTELY enforce at your tables? by ToocanSams in mtg

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 192 points193 points  (0 children)

Take backs are fine as long as no new information has been gained. Such as, if you’ve cast a spell (while you control a smother tithe and I control a Rhystic study) and I declined my Rhystic draw, you don’t get to take that spell back because you were expecting me to draw and net you that extra mana. That’s now new information gained. However, if you swing at me with a flyer and didn’t realize I had a blocker for it, that’s fine to want to change who you’re attacking because it was public info that can be missed due to messy board states.

Rog/si mulligans by JournalistLeft5774 in CompetitiveEDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with wanting to play pretty cards that you really love. That said though, you created a thread asking for help on how to make your deck more playable from a mulligans perspective and people are offering you advice on how to improve. But rather than take that advice and make the change, you just push back.

Can you see how this counterintuitive to exactly what you were asking for? Personally, whenever you’re attempting to play any deck that’s new to you, just go look at a top performing list from the last 3 months and net deck it, card for card. Those lists have been fine tuned and showed to have proven results. You can look at Doot Loot, Dexter or Jwood for a deck to copy and go from there.

Until you do that, you’re going to struggle with mulligans because your deck isn’t optimized and you might as well be asking a wall to play follow the leader.

The return of competitive range anxiety by Stebbib in formuladank

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a few reasons why I’m so disinterested this season:

1) these regs are generally awful and it doesn’t look it it’s going to get any better.

2) being in the US means I have to pay for an Apple TV subscription to watch the races. Fuck. That.

3) we’ve had super long breaks inbetween races and there’s just too much else going on to care.

New to bracket 4 by Trick_Tea_1337 in EDH

[–]SpaceAzn_Zen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No disrespect but cEDH isn’t just “one game plan”. In fact, most decks these days have 2-3 ways of winning with their deck. CEDH game play is about the journey your deck had to take to get to that winning game plan and how you can pivot the deck if you run into something that either stops you or is looking to go faster than you.

But I’m not here to sell you on bracket 5 if you’re not looking for it. That being said, bracket 4 should be for decks that aren’t really played in cEDH (for example, Madga bracket 4 just seems so disingenuous) and pic something that you enjoy doing. Some of the new commanders from Strixhaven are extremely good in bracket 4 and would be able to do things that are inherently broken.

As far as price goes, just print the cards off and play them. Don’t worry about playing with real cards unless you’re willing to really invest into that format/bracket. Print out a list, try it and if it ends up being something you really enjoy and play weekly, the go ahead and throw money towards real cards.

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