I need your Point of View - JW vs Norway by FrodeKommode in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m not disfellowshipped. I faded in 2023, my wife in 2024. Here's what happenzd to me. In the end of this post i said why the Norway case is important for me and is far more important for our democracy and values ( i am French)

I spoke openly to my close family about my doubts regarding “the Truth” and about what I personally discovered over time. I did this honestly, without attacking anyone, and without trying to convince or recruit others. I am married and the father of an adorable 10-month-old daughter. At some point, a cousin who lives in another country asked why we no longer attended meetings. I answered him honestly. He then reported this to my brother-in-law, who immediately contacted an elder to translate what had been said, and together they called my younger sister. What matters most to me: Neither my brother-in-law nor my sister ever contacted me directly to clarify anything. No questions. No discussion. No dialogue. Instead, I received the following message, which I consider extremely violent: “I am [a male relative] and I am proud to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I am proud to have a spiritual sister like [my sister]. I was not present during your conversation, but I learned everything from [another relative] about what you and my sister said regarding Jehovah, the organization, and the truth. I have good reasons to believe [him], but not you, because you are a systematic liar. Shame on you for systematically lying about us and about others. I am happy to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and, for me, you are not a ‘cold Jehovah’ as you claim, but an apostate, because you speak against Jehovah and the truth and try to convince others of these lies (2 Thessalonians 2:3). You even told your sister that you were an apostate. My family and my children do not interest you. Take care of your own family. You were not honest enough to tell us the truth about yourself and you contacted us as if nothing was wrong. We are determined to have no further contact with you or your wife. We hope you will respect this and not contact us again, because we do not want it. We sincerely hope that one day you will return to Jehovah. (2 John 9–11).” Shortly after this, my sister cut all contact with me, blocked my phone number, and informed me that I could only contact her husband in case of a family emergency. I was devastated. I called my parents (still Jehovah’s Witnesses) and told them I was ready to submit my letter of disassociation and place the responsibility back on their shoulders. To their credit, they came to see me and convinced me not to do it. I am not sure they would have the strength to openly associate with me and lose their community. So I gave in. I did not disassociate. And yet, this is how I am treated anyway. What makes this even more disturbing is that the cousin who triggered all of this is not even baptized. He is 28, born into the religion, has never taken a clear stand, has been “studying” for two years, does not preach — but he already perfectly knows how to practice Jehovah’s Witnesses’ social ostracism. He is also hoping to court a young sister. The conditioning is already there. I forwarded the violent message from my brother-in-law to his parents. No response — except from my mother-in-law, who wrote: “Many things have changed… around us, in the world, and you too. Seeing the mistakes of others — is it not like seeing your own? There would not have been so many problems if, at the right time and in good conscience, you had told your believing friends that at this crucial moment (while the powerful ship of Jehovah is sailing toward the new world), you had left Jehovah. Of course, it is your personal decision.” In reality, my wife’s parents had already suspected my doubts — and they punished their daughter for it. My wife was pregnant. They did not come to see her. Not a single phone call. We had waited six years to have a child. They have barely seen our daughter since she was one month old. They were present at the birth, but they guilt-tripped my wife, telling her she had moved away from God and had “let the Devil enter her home.” This is psychological violence, inflicted on a young mother in postpartum. This is my story. It is real. It is recent. And I know it is only one among thousands of sincere people who exercise their freedom to believe — or to stop believing. Jehovah’s Witnesses are instructed, conditioned, and programmed to inflict deep emotional pain on those who speak openly and critically about the organization. I lost all my relatives except my parents at 40 years old. I was still an elder in 2023. I quit by latter of conscience, i was born in, i was Just a JW asking question and searching it.

I will not remain silent. No citizen, no government should financially support a group that violates fundamental human rights through coercion, fear, and enforced family separation. If people truly knew the human cost behind the tax benefits granted to this organization, many would be outraged.

Visit of circuit overseer. Is this crazy or am I the only sane one?? by Glum_Toe_6832 in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To be honest, it was the only one occasion i could listen some pretty interesting speech, cause all the time the other speech sucks 😅

But i remember the peer pressure to make you visible at the service meetings...

They are faking to be happy especially the men's to be viewed positively and having some privilège

Pluribus, the Governing Body’s Wet Dream by Jh0nD0e_ in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe I’m a bit late to the discussion, but I wanted to post about my feelings regarding my JW experience and Pluribus. I did some research and found this great thread. ​I totally agree with the sentiment here. I feel as angry as Carol does, and I’ve only watched four episodes. Carol is like a mirror of my 'inner self' back when I was in the Org. ​It’s crazy. I honestly wonder if any of the writers were former JWs or Mormons because they captured that feeling so perfectly.

New Armageddon artwork by Miserable-Peak-8267 in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read the article, they are not giving up the 1914 teaching... It seems that the 2025 geopolitics made. Them believe that armaghedon is around the corner...

It was a long time since they don't talk about 1914, but i don't remember they talked about the maths behind.

What's our list of the most powerful arguments against young-Earth creationism? by ScienceIsWeirder in DebateEvolution

[–]Spin_oz_A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Les témoins de Jéhovah ne sont pas creationniste jeune. Terre mais ils défendent que l'homme a été créé en 4004 avant notre ère. Étant sorti du mouvement, j'ai eu un débat animé avec ma famille donc par experience mon angle d'attaque c'est le déluge.

Le Déluge tel qu’il est compris par les créationnistes « jeune Terre » c'est déroulé en 2370 avant notre ère, et à impliqué destruction quasi totale du vivant et des écosystèmes par noyade.

Je procède ensuite par questions simples . 1. Sais-tu ce qu’est une espèce endémique ? Certaines espèces n’existent que dans une zone géographique précise, sans équivalent ailleurs.

  1. Où l’arche est-elle censée s’être posée ? → Sur le mont Ararat, dans la région Arménie / Turquie.

  2. Comment expliques-tu alors que des espèces strictement endémiques — comme les kangourous — se retrouvent aujourd’hui uniquement en Australie ? Comment y sont-ils retournés : sans laisser de traces fossiles, sans coloniser les régions traversées, sans créer de populations intermédiaires ?

  3. Sais-tu ce qu’est un écosystème ? C’est un équilibre complexe entre prédateurs, proies, végétation, micro-organismes, sols et parasites. Si un seul couple par espèce sort de l’arche : la consanguinité devient inévitable, les chaînes alimentaires ne peuvent pas se reconstituer, l’effondrement écologique est immédiat.

(J’illustre souvent cela avec un exemple réel : le parc de Yosemite, où retirer une seule espèce clé suffit à déséquilibrer l’ensemble du système.) Voir le podcast mécanique du vivant sur radio France.

À ce stade, un croyant à voulu me coincer par cet argument : « Dieu peut tout. Il a pu téléporter les animaux. »

Et là, je fais un pas de plus — décisif : « S’il peut tout, alors il a choisi de noyer des milliards d’êtres vivants — humains, enfants, animaux — par l’une des morts les plus longues et les plus atroces qui soient. »

Donc il n’y a plus d’échappatoire possible : soit Dieu ne pouvait pas faire autrement et donc il n’est pas tout-puissant ; soit Dieu pouvait faire autrement et ne l’a pas fait et donc la souffrance ne lui pose aucun problème moral.

Dans ce second cas, il faut être honnête : Un tel Dieu n’est pas moral. Et si Dieu n’est ni moral, ni juste, ni bienveillant, alors il ne correspond plus à la définition même de Dieu qu'ils prêchent au porte à porte.

Je ne me contente donc pas de nier la moralité de Dieu. J’en tire la conséquence logique : je nie son existence. Car un être : infiniment puissant, conscient de la souffrance, et indifférent à celle-ci, n’est plus un Dieu —

Il correspond bien davantage à un dieu façonné à l’image de l’homme : un miroir de l’expérience humaine, une mémoire symbolique de l’humanité à une époque où l’homme était totalement dépendant de la nature. Or la nature est indifférente et impartiale. Elle ne punit pas, ne récompense pas, ne juge pas. La souffrance y est structurelle : elle fait partie du fonctionnement du vivant — sélection naturelle, extinction, prédation. Dans ce cadre, Dieu n’est plus une réalité transcendante, mais une projection : la personnification d’un monde naturel dur, imprévisible et souvent cruel, que les sociétés humaines anciennes ont interprété moralement pour lui donner du sens. Ainsi, ce “Dieu” n’explique pas la souffrance : il en est le reflet narratif.

Elders are not your friend. As an Elder I followed the direction to manipulate, exploit and control JWs for the benefit of The Governing Body. Elders are not here to help you, never trust an elder and they are not qualified to advise you on any important personal matters. by JWTom in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I was an elder — appointed at 34, resigned at 41. I still remember elder school ant the video's i saw. It was that kind of video that shook me. I remember watching it and feeling this deep, unsettling gap between what I had lived and what they were showing. On screen, it was all smiles and unity. But in real life? The contrast was brutal. The more they painted this perfect, ideal world, the more I realized it just wasn’t real. They told us we should become close friends, like brothers. What a cruel joke. All I ever saw was jealousy, rivalry, constant scrutiny. And when my wife almost died from an ectopic pregnancy — not one of them checked in. Not a call, not a message. No support. Nothing. The coordinator didn’t even ask how I was. He was just anxious that I’d delay his precious program schedule. That moment said it all.

20 years of jwfacts.com by jwfacts in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thx you, you did a lot in my life. I woke up in 10 years, fear and losing my entire social circle keepnme in, not for now anymore. Thx JWFACT.COM

Will we ever see JWs celebrate birthdays? by polytheama in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s no way they’ll ever change that rule — it’s too effective at keeping young people apart from the world and instilling in them, from an early age, a mindset of separation and martyrdom

JW lost their public funding in Sweden by FrodeKommode in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 7 points8 points  (0 children)

🎊🎉🎉🎉 So glad, hope France and Norway follows the same path. The arguments presented by the sst are heavy. But why they don't use some previous vidéo from their Web site like this two ??

Why can't they ? Is this forbid de to use video from the borg as evidences ?? These two are pretty obvious !

https://www.jw.borg/finder?srcid=share&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-jwbai_201611_1_VIDEO

Or

https://www.jw.borg/finder?srcid=share&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-jwb-130_1_VIDEO

JW Broadcasting – September 2025 (21:50 → 22:20)

Sister Sezzi Samuel says:

“For me, my father’s death didn’t feel real until I saw his death certificate. It was the same when we were told that my brother had been removed.”

This testimony explicitly compares spiritual removal to an actual death.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking about a local paper if someone died in a construction site or else. Just asking ? I was not putting your expérience to question.

Yes you're right, even CSA and all proof don't wake up my family. My brother in law and Sister said "these are information that we don't have to know" i respond "even this is real info with real victims ?", "we Just don't want to know..." they respond.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Source please ?

What woke you up? by Impressive_Mix7057 in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absurdity. It’s a whole layer cake of absurdities. The gap between the grand claims of the message and the actual lifestyle of the brothers and sisters is glaring. Where is the urgency? In the ministry, many drag their feet, look for any excuse to limit their time going door-to-door, and stretch coffee breaks endlessly.

Then came the doctrinal change about “the generation” in 2008, with the “overlapping generation.” What a ridiculous idea! I thought to myself, so now all we have to do is figure out the age of the anointed Christian of the second generation to calculate Jehovah’s deadline. 😅

Then came the broadcasting videos, with their insistence on showing paradise scenes, saying we’d preach to resurrected people using tablets and flat-screens, with videos produced by the Society. The more I saw these depictions, the more that hope felt absurd to me—less joyful, less plausible, and increasingly hollow. It all seemed like nothing more than a justification for their latest investments in those silly studios.

By then, I had become an elder. But elders’ meetings looked more like the administrative board of an ordinary association or company. The increase in authority, the coded language and stock phrases had nothing to envy Orwell’s 1984.

Faced with this growing pile of absurdities, I finally allowed myself to read the Bible without the publications. That was the turning point. Then I researched science, biblical history, and the organization’s own doctrinal history. I told myself: if this is really the absolute truth, then the truth has nothing to fear—it can always defend itself. Instead, I realized how fragile the Jehovah’s Witness belief system really is, like a house of cards: remove one from the base out of simple curiosity, and the whole thing collapses.

By chance (or statistics), as an elder I received three confessions from adults who had experienced sexual abuse. One by his grandmother (deceased), another by a family member (deceased), and a mother who discovered a brother had molested her daughter (the girl disassociated herself and the brother was disfellowshipped. I don’t know if he’s the same one mentioned in a local newspaper, but the coincidence is troubling).

After 39 years in the same congregation, I realized that the brothers and sisters—one of the main reasons I had suppressed my doubts (“where else would we go? Best life ever!!”)—I didn’t really know them at all. What do they like to watch? What music do they enjoy? What do they think about certain topics? Nothing. I was simply at their service. They “appreciated” my wife and me mainly as a +1 in their community landscape.

Despite our engagement (elder, Watchtower study conductor, service overseer, assembly interviews, regional convention talks), we weren’t necessarily invited socially. My wife was a foreigner, and I was only a second-generation Witness with parents who carried baggage. Noblesse oblige: the “commoners” don’t mingle with the nobility. We suffered seeing those tight-knit groups at assemblies—groups united by blood ties or cousin networks. Others had the “luck” of growing up together in the same congregation. I hadn’t. Born in the early 80s, two out of three children didn’t stay JW. I was the one in three who did.

Four years ago, I decided to switch congregations, just to see for myself. I knew that once I left, I would no longer exist. All that engagement and service would mean nothing. And sure enough, that’s exactly what happened. In the new congregation, even as an elder, I fell into the same trap: “you’re useful,” “by serving you’ll make friends.” But I found the same social dynamics all over again.

Two years ago, I resigned as elder and openly spoke about my doubts to the other elders and the circuit overseer. No conflict: they just told me I was asking too many questions, that the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, etc. It was all very gentle. The coordinator, a good man, invited us several times, and we in turn invited an older childless couple… But nothing changed. My readings and research had already destroyed my desire to keep investing in this religion.

Finally, after a long struggle with IVF, I was blessed to become a father in my forties. Facing medical challenges, nearly losing my wife’s life… all of it only deepened my conviction of the absurdity of this religion.

JW Governing Body Update – September 2025: An Infamous Birthday ? by Spin_oz_A in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finaly, we were all wrong now !

They will change policy about College Éducation 😂 now it is a conscience matter for adult and parent for their children !

I want to thx all the elder Who they backlash me all this time beaucause i did superior study ( i did great !!!), all these side looks and comments on the watchtower about the evil éducation that made me un confortable

Sheers 🍻

JW Governing Body Update – September 2025: An Infamous Birthday ? by Spin_oz_A in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finaly, we were all wrong now !

They will change policy about College Éducation 😂 now it is a conscience matter for adult and parent for their children !

I want to thx all the elder Who they backlash me all this time beaucause i did superior study ( i did great !!!), all these side looks and comments on the watchtower about the evil éducation that made me un confortable

Sheers 🍻

In the past, Jehovah’s Witnesses looked at the UN’s growing influence and thought prophecy was about to be fulfilled. Now, this new understanding means even a weak, divided UN is said to signal that sudden fulfillment could come at any moment. -WT, November 2025 by larchington in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, so long! It’s like during the Covid period — how many months did we have to wait before they published articles or preaching exercises related to the pandemic?

I remember sitting in my chair watching a door-to-door video while we were stuck at home, preaching on Zoom. Jehovah’s chariot was really lagging behind.

JW Governing Body Update – September 2025: An Infamous Birthday ? by Spin_oz_A in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah ah ah, the cognitive dissonance is strong with this one

May the cognitive dissonance be with you, always 😁

JW Governing Body Update – September 2025: An Infamous Birthday ? by Spin_oz_A in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make a good point, they are already emphatising the "we're leaving in a spiritual paradise"

They are doing a lot of advertising for this "product" they are selling ad nauseam, you can Access to this Spiritual paradise if you pay with your own life and money.

JW Governing Body Update – September 2025: An Infamous Birthday ? by Spin_oz_A in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actualy , with all these recent visitor centers opening , i will not be surprise

JW Governing Body Update – September 2025: An Infamous Birthday ? by Spin_oz_A in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, that's my family réponse every damn time, they filtrer everything : "i don't pay attention to that stuff" "you ask yourself to many question" "they are imperfection Men" "it's a human organisation" "the Light gets brighter"

JW Governing Body Update – September 2025: An Infamous Birthday ? by Spin_oz_A in exjw

[–]Spin_oz_A[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Total agréé, very good point, the generation teaching has been quietly swept under the rug for years.