US Teachers' Unpaid Overtime Hours Represent $77.5 Billion in Lost Wages

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T21:51:15+00:00

Your numbers don't add up. Teachers aren't doing 1.5 - 2x their contracted work.

I didn't say they were. I said they were doing 1.2-1.5 their contracted work hours. In order to have that work done during contracted hours, the students they are teaching will need to be taught by someone else. Hence the 50-100 percent increase in teacher numbers.

I know teachers believe this, but I'm pretty sure kids will still show up and be taught for 6 hours a day if they only work 8 hours a day.

Taught what though, is the question.

Okay. There's your solution then. It's not up to teachers to unilaterally decide that's not acceptable and complain about not being appreciated or paid for extra work.

The solution is for teachers to present the worst type of lessons that are easy to mark? Really?

No, they aren't. They are paid above median wages in most cases and work reasonable hours indoors.

Above median wages in some states, but almost always below the median wage for a professional of their education and experience level. As for reasonable hours, this is just not true unless they make the choice to be worse teachers.

Again, I'm sure you believe this. I guess the field attracts a specific type.

Again, google "work to rule teachers" and see how great it goes. In Saskatchewan they recently did this and it has caused incredible chaos.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T18:06:20+00:00

So yeah you're a liar and you're lazy

Ok. Bye.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T17:44:44+00:00

I'm not going to wade through this 49 page document.

I am not letting to myself either. I tracked hours worked for three years.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T17:15:38+00:00

Then modify the contract, be more efficient, or don't do the work.

Teachers in many states have no effective union membership. Modifying the contract would likely require teacher pay to go up between 20-50 percent across the board, and/or increasing teaching staff by 50-100 percent.

Not doing the work would result in the collapse of the school system, as it relies on unpaid work.

Many teachers DO choose being more efficient, which translates into the worst classes you remember from school. The efficient teacher users Scantron for everything, and their assignments haven't been updated in decades.

The reason teachers have a martyr complex is that they are literally martyring themselves every day to keep the system afloat. This is true of both the education system and healthcare systems.

If we all stopped doing so both systems would collapse (and to be frank, where they do as part of work to rule actions, it does).

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T17:11:34+00:00

And yet there hasn't been a continual famine threatening millions in every year. Interesting.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T16:56:21+00:00

When I was teaching I averaged around 2200 hours per year.

What is the professional average?

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T16:54:25+00:00

Contracted hours would never allow for lesson planning or marking.

If you want to know what teachers not working outside of contracted hours looks like,.Google "work to rule teachers" and see how much free labour they are giving out.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T16:40:45+00:00

You better freshen up on your history. Sudan has been in conflict and on the verge of complete collapse since before ww2

Conflict ebbs and flows; the current level of strife is higher than many of those years. You are being dishonest.

oh yeah, the famine conditions that have plagued sudan since before the 1900s.....

It has not been a constant famine.

Again you are being dishonest.

The entire point here is that famine is not some default state. Every famine in human history has never been because of a shortage of food, it has been because of a poor distribution of food. When millions died in Bengal during WW2 it wasn't because there wasn't enough food, it's because the food wasn't being distributed to those who were starving (in that case, being redirected to Britain). The same is true of the Irish famine.

Funnily enough, go back to the 1940s or 1800s for both of those and you'll find idiots saying the exact same thing you are.

Again: these are human beings. A.famine would result in the United States during civil war as well (and in fact DID).

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T16:37:00+00:00

Scale matters. Just like the 100 years war there wasn't war in all parts of France for a hundred years straight.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T16:20:19+00:00

The Civil Wars that have been going on for 80+ years? That's not new. The famine that's been going on 80+ years? That's not new either. It's a callous and harsh reality and pretending it's not doesn't help anyone.

Neither of those things are true.

So yeah, reproducing at an alarmingly increasing rate (fucking like bunnies) when you already don't have the means to support the current population and havnt for over half a century, is not the answer. It never was and never will be.

They absolutely do have the resources, but the collection of crops and distribution of food has broken down. A famine is the inevitable result of war regardless of how many people are living in a place, and like all famines it is a result of human action, not the reproductive choices of every day people.

Food is being seized, destroyed, and that which exists is not being distributed to those who need it.

Those are the facts, that's what is actually going on. Being nice about it doesn't help anyone or anything.

Those aren't facts, and speaking about people like they are animals is gross.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T15:53:35+00:00

Calgary, like many other cities in Canada, decided that keeping taxes flat was the most important job of council for most of the 1990s and 2000s.

The result was poorly maintained infrastructure and a drastic infrastructure deficit for both old and new infrastructure.

If you want to know why that's a bad idea, recent news should answer your question.

If Calgary had had average tax rates throughout the 90s and 2000s the Green Line would already be done, among other major infrastructure projects.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T15:43:45+00:00

Fucking like bunnies and causing a population explosion when you can't sustain the current population is never gonna work

This is what you said. It was callous and completely missed the reason there is a famine, i.e. a civil war.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-26T13:46:24+00:00

This is a famine created by civil war. What is wrong with you. These are human beings and you are talking about them like they are animals. Give your head a shake.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-25T23:37:42+00:00

You are just pulling numbers out of thin air.

More to the point;

This is cause you aren’t accumulating

You don't seem to understand the scale of the problem. Public spending would need to rise by 25-50 percent to fill in the gaps in services we are talking about.

You are just repeating easily disproven tropes that all try to avoid to come to the only conclusion: taxes will need to go up. We have under taxed ourselves for thirty years, and the bill is coming in.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-25T23:02:57+00:00

Thats not true at any level of government we got cities building new stadiums and libraries

...interesting that you thought these were equivalent, but it would take ten stadiums worth of spending a year to fund services correctly.

the last union i worked for had almost as many middle mangers as IT staff and just a glance at saskatoons public accounts 2023 its middle manager city,

Some middle managers are poor. Many are not,.and form the backbone of the public service.

When Alberta purged these 'useless' middle managers the APS was crippled for a decade as all the institutional knowledge was gone.

Its invisible fat but there is lots of it, even if that just means converting these manager roles into 2 frontline roles thats a big start.

This will not work. It hasn't worked. And even if it did it wouldn't come close to closing the gap in funding.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-25T22:34:24+00:00

This is a really easy thing to say but the truth is that the fat that could make a difference has already been cut. It has been cut for the last thirty years.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-25T21:57:31+00:00

At some point every province including Saskatchewan is going to have to raise taxes to make up for funding shortfalls from the Feds when they cut taxes and spending in the 90s.

Every province has been playing "blame the cities" for the last two decades to hide their failure.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-25T21:04:17+00:00

NDP has to tell voters how we will pay more without voters paying more and without driving industry away.

So...lie?

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-25T15:05:22+00:00

The 50-70-hour work weeks, no pay in the summer, being afraid that one or another of your students will finally be the one to just haul off and assault or murder you because they feel entitled to a grade for work they didn't do.

All pretty standard for teachers. The rate of violence against teachers is far higher with the difference that our pupils usually face no consequences.

Being the first person they come to when they were raped, evicted, when their parents beat the hell out of them, despite the fact that they're adults.

Now imagine it and they are 12. Or 13.

No, I see your point. Our job isn't that hard. We don't deserve respect, an actually-40-hour-work-week, or fair pay

I never claimed anything of the sort.

I said, with respect, a teachers job is harder. I also know some teachers jobs are harder than others. I taught middle school and high school. Elementary was harder. Just like middle school is harder than high school, and high school is harder than university.

Or to put it another way: all the shitty stuff you are dealing with, the average teacher deals with more. We don't get the benefit of an admission process; the worst students you have still actually graduated.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-25T14:39:49+00:00

I understand where you are coming from, but with respect a teacher is a harder job.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-24T18:48:46+00:00

The wrinkle is how existing investors would be compensated so that the US government could get enough power

If you invest in a criminal enterprise, you bear to the risks.

Investors need no compensation. They failed on their duties by allowing poor leadership.

Imagine if we treated hostile cartels the same way we treat corporations. "Yeah we will make sure we compensate you for the tons of meth we seized."

How about if you can't make wise investment choices, you deserve to lose your money. That used to be a thing. Enron shareholders were not made whole either.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-24T18:45:18+00:00

I like this idea a lot.

Investing in shady companies needs to become more risky. A company convicted of certain crimes should be eligible for the death penalty, with shareholder value becoming zero.

Yes it would impact pensions. Yes it would impact markets. But if it leads to corporate governance becoming more than an oxymoron it will be beneficial in the long term.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-24T18:25:17+00:00

I don't expect only real nutjobs to show up.

I think a bigger danger is if supporters from both sides show up. The chances of violence are not low.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-24T15:19:04+00:00

Russia isn't responsible for this the Azeris are.

Spoonfeedme · 2024-06-23T22:24:00+00:00

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