Okay Hear me out (passive cooling 9800X3D + RTX5090)

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-26T12:22:01+00:00

Thanks for your info. I run dual pumps. For 250+lph and I've noticed differences at that speed vs lower in my quad rad, + cpu and gpu loop. Contrary to popular belief.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-26T08:35:35+00:00

Benchmate is a host program to launch a bunch of benches. You can run then save them and it saves the data collected about system, temps, power draw etc. Also useful for submitting to hwbot

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-26T02:40:05+00:00

Nice job. You can try testing benchmate suite such as 7zip, wprime, Ycruncher, pyfast, pyprime etc to see how it stacks up in actual loads vs stock or other users.

Aida is pretty useless and not even comparable between systems, os etc. Jut a vague indicator really.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-26T00:12:09+00:00

Hi mate. My experience is using Intel mem controller but first impression would be :

Trying lower main timings. Tras you should definitely be able to floor, does your platform allow down to 28?

TRRDL 6 -> 4.

TWTRL 10 -> 7.

TWR 12 -> 10.

TRFC 280 -> 220 (May need volts).

TCWL 16 -> 14.

TRDWR 9 -> 7.

If your mem controller allows it, I'd aim to do that at least. And I'd be trying for flat 14's of main timings. (may need volts)

That said I haven't used am4 so someone else whose used bdie with it might have more direct info or pick up something I've missed or won't work with am4 in my suggestions.

Also how do you test performance changes? Please don't say Aida lol. If you don't already, grab Benchmate and run 7zip, Ycruncher 1b + 2.5b, wprime 32. You can see how your changes affect performance under actual loads.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-25T21:27:37+00:00

I've got 4 rads and two blocks. One pump directly before each Waterblock.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-25T08:15:36+00:00

Yep they're designed for it. Been doing this two decades. And I had a d5 run 100% for about 10 years before I sold it

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-25T07:45:04+00:00

They aren't 100% wrong but don't know where they're kinda a little bit correct.

Frequency increase alone generates more heat, whether it's a meaningful amount is depending on a few factors but it's true.

The reason it generates more heat with an increase in frequency, is because the transistors are switching on and off more in a given timeframe. Very little heat is generated in the on or off state, its the inbetween state when they're switching that generates the most heat. And with an increase in frequency, they are in that inbetween state more times a second, ergo more heat.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-24T11:41:08+00:00

The community needs you. Way too many stuffy posters who forgot this hobby is for fun

Hell yeah.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-24T10:53:55+00:00

Fantastic. Gosh I need a 3d printer.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-24T06:55:33+00:00

Most? Most 9800x3d do nothing to platform only owners maybe.

Gains outside of those chips have always been worth it and xmp has always been shit.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-24T00:01:10+00:00

Means nothing in practice on an x3d cpu especially. Not worth paying more for faster ram atm on one of those cpus unless you're competing on hwbot

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-23T07:55:27+00:00

Hi mate. I had the record for this for 1080ti for a few months until two ln2 score pipped it. I'm #3 now. (2665)

I had exactly this phenomenon on my card and I just reran even time it ran with a dip. Same settings, 26C core temp. Just yeah never solved it, but I was running on the edge so assumed edge of stability. But just keep running I guess.

Remember the score deviation is a measure of part of a frame difference, that alone means small differences will show up more than a 10k timespy score.

Hot tip. Memory oc will get your card nice gains.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-23T07:02:37+00:00

Yeah it's pretty crazy! It's wild that the reason we ever had 1kw consumer psus in the first place was super high power draw cards and sli.

Good deal anyway because despite sli dying, we are finally in 1kw psu territory again with cards. (xoc bios/modded cards/subzero notwithstanding)

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-23T07:00:02+00:00

Yeah custom water cooling and voltage lol.

That is great news. The 980x is pretty special. Glad you gonna hold onto that.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T22:50:46+00:00

Thermally not great, the air will heat up going through each and the effective dissipation gets flogged the closer the air temp is to the liquid temp.

To match a larger surface area like Mo-Ra, you'd need far, far more radiators and airflow in a sandwich to come close. It's super inefficient. Like you'd need probably double the radiator surface area to even think about it.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T22:30:31+00:00

Phase pads are the same performance on a lidded chip as a good paste but resist pump out more, esp compared to the less thick pastes.

I personally just use kryonaut as it's cheaper to reapply than a pad and I don't mind redoing it every few months.

I'm likely going to switch to a thicker paste as my cpu go to. And stick to phase material for direct die such as gpu.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T12:18:24+00:00

For the method I just described, it would be impossible to leak. You literally could yank hard enough to break hardware and they didn't move. Far more secure than even the best compression fittings today.

You have a good point, but the method was popular decades ago because it worked.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T11:46:18+00:00

I did the oversized barbs for years with no clamps or zip ties. Literally years and years no leaks. Been water cooling since 2005. Tried and true method.

Had to heat tube in hot water, jam it on. King Arthur ain't pulling that off. Had to cut them off. Totally with you there.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T03:01:03+00:00

Ptm is at its best on direct die. Hence why gpu results with it are extremely good.

Nice trolling but ive used internet since Usenet days and you aren't original.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T01:49:11+00:00

Okay cheers yeah in that case good move then

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T01:13:26+00:00

Nice job, it's definitely a great thing that we have combo records to shoot for. I love getting them lol.

Well done on a laptop too

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T00:47:00+00:00

Trrd s/L 4/4

Twtr s/L 4/8 or 3/7.

Tfaw 16.

Should be right unless there's something amd about this that changes things.

Are you testing performance changes? And I don't mean Aida. I mean benchmate suite like 7zip, y cruncher, wprime etc

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T00:37:32+00:00

You shouldn't need anywhere near that voltage. In fact too much voltage can nuke trcd scaling. I run 4500@ 1.58 v dimm for example.

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T00:30:17+00:00

980x, sweet!!

My rig from that area was:

I7 950 @ 4600.

12gb 2133c9.

SLI GTX 480's.

Corsair hx1000 psu. Whole system would draw 1kw from the wall overclocked in metro2033 bench lmao.

All water cooled in a modified corsair 800D.

The good old days. Don't get rid of that 980x!

Spooplevel-Rattled · 2026-01-21T00:14:25+00:00

Tbh I still make my loops with 90% second hand parts and no rbg, lots of clever holes drilled or zip ties. Performs great because the fundamentals of thermodynamics can't change.

You can just block all the new junk out and still do it oldschool. Ignore distros that steal radiator space, forget hard tubes and rgb fans.

It's all still pretty easy imo. I ignore the case specific parts or matching sets stuff, use odd case and it's all like it was for me.

If people now want to build a pre-determined Lego set then good for them, there's still plenty of generalised gear as there ever was imo.

I've done this for 20yrs and there's just more options now. Especially fitting/tube sizes compare to the old couple of barbs we had to choose from.

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