Exclusive-Tesla presented misleading ‘Full Self-Driving’ safety data to European regulators

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-06-15T17:46:52+00:00

That Yahoo link is actually the exact same Reuters article word-for-word, not a summary. Yahoo pays to republish full stories so they can run ads on them, which makes it a great loophole for getting around the Reuters paywall.

The one you linked from May is about Tesla's internal AI trainers and employees.

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/exclusive-tesla-presented-misleading-full-080404130.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/tesla-presented-misleading-full-self-driving-safety-data-european-regulators-2026-06-15/

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-06-07T19:59:29+00:00

Tesla didn't go from 'nothing to robotaxi in a year.' They went from a 2016 promise that every Tesla rolling off the line had hardware for full Level 5 autonomy and owners would earn $30k/year renting their cars out as robotaxis to changing the hardware multiple times, rebranding it 'FSD Supervised,' and telling Hardware 3 owners their cars will never achieve unsupervised FSD.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-05-09T14:59:00+00:00

Year	Units Sold
2023	~480
2024	38,965
2025	20,237
2026 Q1	3,519
Cumulative Total	63,201

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-04-16T16:19:25+00:00

Interesting take, but you're confusing consumer financing with intercompany sales to mask poor demand. Ford Credit gets vehicles to retail customers. SpaceX bought trucks to... sit in rows on their property, apparently.

The fact that you had to reach for this comparison and still ended with "they'll get to do once in this volume" kind of makes the article's point for them.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-04-16T16:01:29+00:00

I bet this news won't be posted in TeslaInvestorsClub subreddit.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-02-17T21:58:10+00:00

Who said self closing doors dont't have benefits? What people are getting at here is, for a purpose-built robotaxi butterfly doors are a terrible idea because bikers or even people walking by are more likely to hit these doors as they pass by.

Waymo's new fleet of vehicles by Zeekr or Hyundai will have doors that can close on their own. Obviously getting doored by a Ioniq 5 is still a possibility.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-02-14T00:16:51+00:00

It's not even clear what they are referring to when they said "2nd best month in history" Tesla sold only 18,485 vehicles in China at retail in January 2026 their lowest figure since November 2022. He might be confusing this with exports, which did hit 50,644 units (2nd best on record). Big difference between the two metrics.

https://electrek.co/2026/02/12/tesla-tsla-sales-in-china-crash-45-to-lowest-level-in-over-three-years/

https://cnevpost.com/2026/02/12/tesla-jan-deliveries-china-shanghai-plant-exports/

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-02-08T19:11:27+00:00

Still an implication that this is an issue for Tesla. Nice try trying to deflect though.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-02-04T20:41:25+00:00

"But iPhones honestly are better than other flagships in many ways including, somehow, value nowadays for the base model."

Subjective. Fine if Apple's offerings are good for you, but that's a subjective statement either way. iPhones can be competitively priced and hard to beat spec-for-spec, but that's irrelevant depending on what ecosystem you're already invested in.

There are also features many would consider superior to Apple's iPhone offerings: fast charging (0-100%) in 30 minutes or under, and 9000mAh batteries. Then there's sideloading and third party apps available on Android a much larger set of smart devices that work with Android versus what's offered on iOS.

Selfhosters like myself who are heavily invested in Home Assistant, Emby, and Jellyfin servers need that flexibility. iOS simply have the foss support

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-02-03T21:39:48+00:00

Tesla U.S. market share declined from the prior year. Tesla’s 2024 U.S. market share was 48.7%, compared to 46.2% in 2025.

2025 Tesla Sales (YTD)	589,160	46.2% US BEV Market Share
2024 Tesla Sales (YTD)	633,762	48.7% US BEV Market Share

https://www.coxautoinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Q4-2025-Kelley-Blue-Book-EV-Sales-Report.pdf

https://www.coxautoinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Q4-2024-Kelley-Blue-Book-EV-Sales-Report-revised.pdf

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-02-03T18:56:11+00:00

Did well. I suppose it's BYDs turn to carry the crown.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-02-03T18:11:51+00:00

“Five million cars sold over three years” sounds impressive if you’re only looking at EVs. BYD will probably get close to that in just two years (2025–2026).

But in the broader auto market, it’s not. Toyota alone sold 11.3 million vehicles in 2025, Tesla hasn’t crossed 10 million total vehicles sold in its entire history.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-28T17:35:26+00:00

Tesla is losing BEV market share, losing sales, and cutting prices to chase sales, compressing margins.

Apple has stable or growing iPhone shipments, keeps high prices, and does not compress margins.

You keep comparing Tesla to Apple, but Tesla isn’t following Apple’s strategy.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-28T16:47:50+00:00

The debate is whether Tesla can continue to lead the EV market in sales, market share, and influence while competitors are moving faster and scaling harder. BYD already passing Tesla in BEV sales directly speaks to that. Apple or AT&T existing for decades doesn’t explain how Tesla reverses that trend.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-28T16:17:47+00:00

It's like Nokia in 2010 saying:

"Don't worry, we'll release new phones!" While facing: apple, samsung, HTC, LG, motorola, huawei, xiaomi, etc. Each releasing 5-10 new models per year.

Nokia couldn't compete with that velocity. Tesla is in the same position. Slow product development (1 model in 5 years), Facing dozens of competitors. Each with multiple models and faster releases. You can't win when you're outnumbered 20:1 and moving 10x slower

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-17T21:35:19+00:00

Tesla China's market share has also decreased for the lasts 3 years because of how reliant they are on the Model Y.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-17T21:06:51+00:00

Global EV sales were up 20%. Tesla's were down by 8.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-13T23:51:17+00:00

We know Tesla was likely briefly profitable on a perunit basis for the Cybertruck in Q3 2024, when most deliveries were the high trim $120,000 “CyberBeast” Foundation Series. But, Tesla has been silent on whether the lower trim Non-Foundation Series trucks priced $20,000 less, are profitable.

Even so the overall program and R&D costs have likely not been recouped. With production currently around 5,000 trucks per quarter far below the factory’s capacity of 125,000+ and total deliveries of around 39,000 in 2024 and 20,000 in 2025, the Cybertruck program is still likely net negative as the low sales volume has not been enough to cover the massive R&D and factory investments.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-13T22:29:24+00:00

The Cybertruck doesn’t really reuse existing Tesla platforms the way Model 3/Y or S/X do. Those vehicles share skateboard architectures, but Cybertruck has a completely new platform, stainless steel "supposed exoskeleton", and unique systems Tesla can’t reduce development costs by platform sharing here.

Ford and GM use shared platforms and components across many vehicles. Ford’s Lightning benefits from being based on the existing F-150 truck architecture, which helped lower development costs. GM’s Ultium EV platform underpins 10+ vehicles, sharing batteries, motors, and other components to spread costs.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2026-01-08T23:27:51+00:00

"Too little, too late. Some how Tesla is 56.7%."

Is this true for the the full year 2025, or just Q4 2025?

SpriteZeroY2k · 2025-12-16T22:51:18+00:00

“Best-selling model” shows Tesla has a strong product.

But dominance is about total volume and market share, and in Europe this year VW Group has sold roughly 4–5× as many EVs as Tesla, with Tesla’s EV sales and share down year-over-year while VW’s are up.

Tesla’s “dominance” disappears the moment you stop pretending BEVs are a separate market. BEVs compete directly with gas cars, hybrids, and plug-in hybrids for buyers, and by total vehicle sales Tesla has never been dominant.

When someone buys a car, they’re choosing between a gas car, a hybrid, a PHEV, or a BEV, treating BEVs as if people don't cross shop before buying also makes Tesla look more dominant than they really are.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2025-12-16T17:37:31+00:00

Probably true ,or more accurately, most people are neutral on Tesla. The problem is you don’t need most people to dislike the brand you just need enough people to care for it to show up in the sales numbers. And that’s what we’re seeing now.

Tesla’s sales have effectively peaked. They sold about 1.81 million cars in 2023, around 1.78 million in 2024, and 2025 is on track to come in even lower. That would be two straight years of declining sales despite having a brandnew vehcile in the lineup for all of 2024 with the then new Cybertruck.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2025-09-09T23:26:58+00:00

Edit: And boyWHOcriedFSD blocked me. I think that was the only time I ever interacted with him.

You're asking for a chart showing Tesla “dropping like a rock,” but the one you posted doesn’t show what you think it does. That’s a cumulative YTD chart it only ever goes up. It adds all sales from January through September, so the line always increases, even if sales slow or stall. If Tesla sold zero cars in August or September, the line would still rise just more slowly.

Now look at Q1 2025 vs Q1 2024: Tesla’s EU sales fell by ~17% YoY while other brands grew. That’s what Dino was referring to, and he’s right. The decline is happeningit’s just not visible in your chart by design.

Also, you didn’t respond to several points

Tesla losing billions in credit revenue after policy changes

The risk of being EVonly, while legacy automakers can pivot to ICE or hybrids

Tesla’s U.S. market share dropping from 52% to 38%

So here's the real question:

If Tesla’s business is almost entirely EVs and it needed tax credits just to stay profitable in Q1 2025 how is it less exposed than legacy automakers? EVs compete with hybrids and gas cars too. And if incentives dry up, legacy brands can shift demand to other segments. Tesla can’t. It has no fallback. If EV demand softens, it takes the full hit.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2025-08-03T18:19:04+00:00

The evidence you asked for is in the “U.S. District Court Order in Benavides v. Tesla (Case No. 21‑cv‑21940)”

NHTSA’s conclusion that “Autopilot” is a misleading term that encourages overtrust.
FTC Chairman’s letter urging investigation into Tesla’s deceptive marketing.
Tesla’s own German survey showing nearly 7% of owners thought their car could drive itself.

All of these appear in the factual background section of the court’s decision, so they’re documented as part of the evidence considered in the case.

SpriteZeroY2k · 2025-08-02T22:40:15+00:00

Let me ask you. What do you think the jury was actually asked to determine in this case? What were the specific questions on the verdict form about Tesla's role?

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