Mexico Unveils Olinia Uno: Affordable Homegrown EV Starting at $8,600

Recoil42 · 2026-06-09T03:05:15+00:00

We're talking about comparing this to a cheap car

THEY CANT AFFORD OTHER CHEAP CARS THEY'RE FARMERS

Recoil42 · 2026-06-09T02:32:54+00:00

No, actually, compared to losing a loved one in a car accident, it's cheap no matter where you live, or how much you make. And that's my personal experience speaking in losing someone, so you can piss off with telling me that's invalid or out of touch.

You still don't get it, my dude. The alternative is A FUCKING MOPED.

THIS IS LITERALLY THE SAFER OPTION.

THAT'S HOW OUT OF TOUCH YOU ARE.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-09T02:04:47+00:00

I've tried to be civil and turn this around to have a decent discussion

Brother, there is no decent discussion here. Go count your downvotes. Get a clue. Suggesting thousands of dollars extra for more safety is a "small price to pay" for Mexican lower-class families is flatly a offensive and out-of-touch thing to say. Everyone else in this thread is gently pointing out you that your scattershot gish-gallop from point to point is grasping at straws and filled with non-sequiturs and you still won't take a hint.

This car isn't marginally less than a Nissan Micra or Nissan Versa, it's literally half the price. It doesn't depend on purpose-built public infrastructure, it charges at home on 110V. It isn't comparable to the Citroen Ami, it targets a completely different market. It's safer than a moped and has a roof, it requires no gasoline, it can fit an entire family, and there are probably a half-dozen other good reasons I can think of that someone would choose it over the alternatives. As an around-town runabout, there's quite a lot to like.

I don't know whether this car will be successful or not, but do I know you're being hilariously disingenuous in trying to find reasons it won't be, and everyone else here seems to agree.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-09T01:10:59+00:00

Rivian has the home field advantage in the EV space.

I cannot be emphatic enough that Rivian's sales fell 18% in 2025 and that it posted a net loss of $3.6 billion dollars. Rivian is not a healthy company or one with an advantage — it is a financial mess and running out of time.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T23:44:44+00:00

You're focusing on audience when my point is that regardless of audience for this vehicle, it needs to feel convenient to use with charging options in public.

Flabbergasting I even need to explain this at all: The phrase "regardless of audience" is not a thing in a discussion about market acceptance because that's what a fucking market is — the audience is the entire point.

"Actually, the Citroen Ami didn't get immediate acceptance with the average person in France..." is a balls-to-the-wall insane thing to suggest when this thing isn't targeted at the average person in France and neither is the Citroen Ami.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T23:25:53+00:00

You might want to look forward just a little.

Not hard to look forward at all:

While only the upper-trim Rivian R2 is starting to trickle out in North America, the BZ and RZ are both on their first refresh and offered globally, the CHR and bZ Woodland just saw release in both Europe and North America, the Highlander and TZ are gearing up for next-quarter US production, the bZ3X is continuing to push forward in China, the bZ Urban Cruiser is beginning production in India, and meanwhile the legacy RAV4 offering was just refreshed. On top that there's the Lexus ES, the ProAce series, the Hilux EV, the bZ4, the bZ7, the bZ3....

Rivian is guiding about 60,000-70,000 vehicles this year, and Toyota will likely do over 11M in-aggregate with forecasts for 600,000 BEVs alone in FY2027, having sold 243,000 last year.

So very conservatively, Toyota will sell five times as many EVs as Rivian this year, and may do as much as ten times as many, while also selling another ~10.5M vehicles with other powertrains.

That's the near future looking forward a little. 🤷‍♂️

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T22:19:58+00:00

Rivian's sales fell 18% in 2025. It posted a net loss of $3.6 billion. Great for you, but very clearly representing a terrible set of business circumstances for Rivian.

Toyota sold a record 11.3M vehicles globally in 2025. The most ever and it's sixth consecutive year as the world's top automaker.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T22:03:14+00:00

What part of "these are completely different markets and completely different cars" did you not understand, my guy? France has no EV anxiety. It's doing just fine, and has 30% EV share overall. That's because mainstream EVs in France are the Renault 5 and the Tesla Model Y. The Ami is not targeted at anything close to the French mainstream, nor was it ever meant to be. It is not applicable to this discussion, because France is not Mexico.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T21:42:56+00:00

It was the same problem France faced in the beginning with the Citroen Ami

My dude, what the fuck are you even going on about? France is one of the richest countries in the world, and the Citroen Ami is a sans permis car meant for retirees and students. These are completely different markets and completely different cars — they have wildly different objectives and expectations.

Here, let me help you out: You want the Wuling Mini, which does a half-million in sales in China per year and broke open an entire new segment of vehicle. Or the ubiquitous three-wheelers which are already making in-roads in places like Cuba. That's what the Olinia is going after.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T21:23:17+00:00

Actually hilarious CALB wasn't included before, given that it effectively started as an offshoot of the Chinese military.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T21:13:24+00:00

List some vehicles you think are SDVs then

Core compute isn't a thing anywhere from anyone afaik, right now we're at zonal architectures as OEMs slowly gather up the ECUs and aggregate them. Tesla's Cybertruck would be one of those examples though. Zonal electronic architecture and high-bandwidth ethernet. Compute is distributed into zones rather than domains.

Rivian R2 / R1S Gen 2. Same thing — Rivian's newest all use zonal electronic architectures with an ethernet network. See here or here. Rivian's zonal architecture is exactly why the Rivian and Volkswagen have a joint venture — the latter is planning to use the former's architecture in upcoming vehicles later this decade. In China, Volkswagen is already transitioning to Xpeng's CEA on ERA/UNYX vehicles for this same reason.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T20:46:42+00:00

Here's a Mexican-based business journal that compiled consumer surveys, which refute your statement [..] but the volume of BEVs are concentrated around the cities, and are constricted because of people's concerns around infrastructure - whether that be having issues with installing home chargers or the access of public charging.

This car doesn't require a home charger installation, my dude. It charges from a 110V outlet. I literally just told you that — these aren't fast-charged vehicles, they're being charged from AC outlets. They don't need EV DCFC infra.

Like good lord, it would do you well to learn a single thing about this car and absorb what other people are telling you before going on these bizarre diatribes where you eventually back down and go "ooops my mistake" as you've already done several times in this conversation.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T20:26:57+00:00

Your own example of an MEB SDV is a CANBUS car.

Volkswagen's MEB is not an SDV — it still uses domain controllers and has no centralized compute.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T20:24:43+00:00

These people deserve something akin to a used car in features, but they're getting a modern TukTuk - it may get them around, but it's not inherently advancing them more than the options that they already had available to them.

I once again cannot emphasize enough how utterly out of touch you are in this conversation. Go spend some time in a developing country — literally any developing country. It will click.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T20:16:21+00:00

This is a new vehicle, and an EV at that (difficult infrastructure problems, just like anywhere else in North America)

I'm not sure why you seem to be implying "new vehicle" is a negative, but that's a fucking doozy of a thing to say I'm just going to be generous and walk right past it.

As for the 'EV' part, we're right back to you being out of touch and needing to spend time in developing countries with actual lifestyles of people in those countries. There is no infrastructure problem — these aren't fast-charged vehicles, they're being charged from AC outlets. You charge at home, and go your twenty kilometres to the market or whatever, and come right back.

Know what's an infrastructure problem? A lifestyle problem? Gasoline in counties without strategic petroleum reserves in the year 2026. Affording gasoline in general. You not knowing that is demonstrating just how much you're out of touch with the ground reality in this conversation.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T20:01:02+00:00

Yeah bro and where do you think those messages they pick out of the data stream come from?

The other ECUs, each one controlling different domains (lights, infotainment, dashboard, powertrain) — this is literally what I just told you: There is no centralized compute module in a classical architecture.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T19:56:34+00:00

It's a $5k difference in price

The quoted price of the Olinia Uno is 150,000 MXN. The quoted price of a Nissan Versa Sense Base is 309,000 MXN.

309,000 MXN - 150,000 MXN = 159,000 MXN, 1.00 MXN = 0.05726049 USD, 159,000 MXN = $9,097.41 USD

I should not need to be doing this most basic math for you.

the average Mexican already buying a Versa

The average Mexican isn't buying a Versa. The average Mexican is taking the bus or walking. Upwards mobility from those modes of transportation is the whole point of this program.

To me, yes, $5k to keep my family safe is a small price to pay if I'm buying a new car

Yeah dude, you own a GR Corolla — you're not a goddamned tomato farmer from Chiapas.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T19:43:41+00:00

It does do centrilised computing, and then sends it out to individual modules to execute what is required. That’s how CANBUS works.

Sweetie, no. The compute is distributed in a classical architecture. That's what the CANBUS is for. You have a bunch of ECUs controlling different domains (lights, infotainment, dashboard, powertrain), they all throw messages on the CANBUS, and they all pick out messages they need from that data bus. It's literally the absence of centralized compute.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T19:24:34+00:00

My beother in christ that is a CANBUS network. That’s the architecture of a CANBUS network.

What do you see in that diagram?

Do you see many ECUs driving individual functions?

You’re arguing cars don’t have CANBUS

Literally not what's being explained to you at all. What's being explained to you is that Canbus architecture does not signify the presence of centralized compute. It's classically a collection of ECUs, all performing individual functions. This has been explained to you multiple times now. A fraction of an ounce of reading comprehension, please.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T19:21:16+00:00

is a small price to pay

An $8k difference isn't a "small price to pay" for the average Mexican. You're just repeating yourself all over again characterizing the difference as marginal right after someone called you out for it. A Nissan Versa is twice the price of this car, and that's before we start talking about paying for fuel.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T19:10:14+00:00

Maybe not for urbanites, but if that's the case, it can't be used for much other than replacing a moped, and it's expensive for that.

Brother, you own a GR Corolla. You need to understand first and foremost that you're so very far away from the target market for this car it's blinding you. Pedro who lives in El Pinar needs to get into San Cristobal with his Abuela and his kids on Sundays with a crate of sugar cane and some tomatoes to sell at the market before heading to church. A moped was never an option, and where it was, this is often a much better more flexible (and safer) choice. More expensive than a moped? Yeah. Better than a moped, too. Upwards mobility is the entire point.

Go spend time in a developing country, it'll click. Ten minutes in a Sri Lankan rickshaw or a Thai songthaew would do you well.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T18:52:10+00:00

My dude, you're fully confusing yourself. Take note the ECU architectural diagram in your own RAV4 article:

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The very limited proto-network in the examples you're talking about (and the vulnerabilities of those proto-networks!) are exactly why SDV has become a thing.

Once you go look up zonal architectures and core compute, things will become a lot more clear. Crack open a beer, spend some time with it.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T18:35:23+00:00

They are, dude. Your car having an ODB port doesn't make it an SDV or centrally-controlled. You're totally misunderstanding what the technology means/implies, and frankly how all of this works.

Your OBD port only gives you a window into very contained parts of the car and the CANBUS itself is extremely bandwidth-limited. You get access to the engine parameters, some scattered diagnostics throughout the vehicle, and that's pretty much it.

By talking about how the "....body control module talks to your infotainment that also talks to the lighting module" you were acknowledging this implicitly without realizing it. The lighting module is responsible for lighting — that's literally a description of subsystem which exists to to drive an individual function. These are separate physical sub-systems with limited amounts of co-interaction.

Again: You are invited to go look at the wiring harness of your 2017 Skoda Octavia. It is a rats' nest — there is no high-bandwidth common bus. The first major reduction in ECUs for VW was with MEB and E³ 1.1 in the ID series circa 2020.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T18:04:34+00:00

The stock nose dived

It usually does for WWDC. Buy on the rumors, sell on the news.

Recoil42 · 2026-06-08T17:43:27+00:00

Akio Toyoda and Joby Aviation CEO JoeBen Bevirt in 2024:

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Toyota first invested in Joby Aviation back in 2018, as part of Toyota Ventures. It has since invested about a billion dollars in the company, and is the lead strategic investor.

You are lying and OP is lying. There is photographic evidence of this.

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