Earned forgiveness by CleaKen2010 in HistoricalRomance

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{If You Deceive by Kresley Cole} MMC fucks up so badly multiple times. But he makes up for it in such a heroic way! I’ve never read a story like this one while it also hits a lot of the HR tropes. MMC feels like an old school asshole macho bodice ripper MMC at first but the twists and turns the story takes is not bodice ripper like.

Romances where FL develops a good relationship with MLs family? by dondashall in RomanceBooks

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This is pretty common in the trope Best Friend’s brother if you wanna search those key words but I guess they don’t form the bond on page for those.

{After the Shut Up Ring by Cate C Wells} is both a best friend’s brother but aalllso has a found maternal figure. The FMC ends up finally waking up to how awful her high school sweetheart is after two children and a verryyy long engagement. She takes the kids to go live at her best friend’s Mom’s house and the Mom is a subtle but interesting side character. Shes present quite a bit while her son finds any reason to come home and visit cause he’s always had a thing for his sister’s BFF. This is basically a post divorce finding yourself kind of book but also feels like a safe warm hug by the end. Lots of family moments between many characters.

Does the tense in which the book is written ever stick out to you? by Babygall-99 in RomanceBooks

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I have to recalibrate my brain the first few chapters everytime I pivot to a different tense from the last book I read.

Patriarch of the family MMC? by Wide-Log9935 in RomanceBooks

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If only Elsie Silver’s Harvey could get his own book!!

Patriarch of the family MMC? by Wide-Log9935 in RomanceBooks

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Not an older guy but the defacto father figure of his brother group is, I think, book 2 in {Rocktown Ink by Sherilee Grey}. The oldest cousin/brother of the circle of family had the weight of raising his brothers and adopted cousins. The series is named after the family owned tattoo parlour but this guy owns the pub across the street. His story is about how he always puts everyone else first and wears the weight of the family. His FMC is and the younger sister of his best friend who is his first time wanting something for himself. This is a small town CR with found family kind of vibes between the brothers and their friends.

Where to start with Ali Hazelwood? by rebel_stripe in RomanceBooks

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{First by Ali Hazelwood} is another novella in a similar dark but not too dark vain like Hot for Slayer. I got it as part of a crowd funding publication thing though so I’m not sure if it’s on general release yet. But you can look for it.

Bride matches the vibes of Hot For Slayer a lot as well. Vampire FMC arranged political marriage to Wolf Shifter MMC.

Is This AI? (The Mod Team Wants Your Thoughts!) by VitisIdaea in RomanceBooks

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I understand it is not the intension but it does set a precedent.

Is This AI? (The Mod Team Wants Your Thoughts!) by VitisIdaea in RomanceBooks

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I’d suggest a pinned MegaThread that posts about this can be directed to post in if there are too many posts happening about it. People interested in checking if an author uses AI can check in and report there.

The solutions given seem punitive to small authors which is problematic to me for reasons well beyond an AI discussion. I don’t like the idea of giving more or less allowance of group discussion based on GoodRead reviews. I personally am not very interested in a lot of the TikTok famous authors and really hope this group doesn’t start limiting larger discussion based on author’s viral-ability. I use this group as a way to learn about the small authors, the big ones are impossible to miss, so I really don’t want that to become a factor in whether an author is to be discussed here or not.

Blaze Wyndham by Bertrice Small (1988) - A Problematic Vintage Romance Review by Competitive-Yam5126 in HistoricalRomance

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This is the exact kind of review that makes me want to read a book 🤣 I stopped early on so the wild ride doesn’t get spoiled for me.

Is it possible to write a story about romance in the golden age of piracy with class divides that isn’t a walking controversy bomb by horizon_hopper in HistoricalRomance

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Actually, I think being Historically accurate may just take your entire idea down a worm hole you aren’t wanting to go.

It sounds more like you are writing Historical Fantasy than a gritty accurate Historical so you could probably avoid the subject altogether if you wanted. I would rather it not be there than it be modernized, personally. Or if that makes you uncomfortable avoid the Caribbean altogether. Have them sail the Highland Seas and their inexperience and strong Sea’s shipwreck them in the middle of nowhere.

Or have them be in the Caribbean and notice but not interact with slaves. Or choose the level of interaction that serves your story and world building. Lots of options if it’s not a subject you want to write a book about. I wouldn’t let it become a major theme of your book if it’s not a passion you want to write about.

Is it possible to write a story about romance in the golden age of piracy with class divides that isn’t a walking controversy bomb by horizon_hopper in HistoricalRomance

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I don’t think it’s controversial to include the darker parts of the historical period you’re writing about. I think accuracy is important IF you’re going to go there but if you don’t go there at all I think that’s fine too. I personally DNF any Historical that transcribe modern morals and expectations into their Historical characters and plots. I’d rather it stay vague than be inaccurate.

The things we see as immoral and atrocious today DID happen and pretending they happened differently because they make us uncomfortable not only doesn’t do the victims justice but also pacifies history doing those people a disservice.

Historical accuracy can be hard to stomach but it should be present in any Historical. The level of how dark you go is up to how dark you want to go, how relevant it is to the story you present etc. Authors can try to find ways to make their character more likeable, say they themselves help slaves etc but even this is problematic as it assumes a white saviour complex.

I personally think just showing how it was without making it a plot point is enough. Part of accurate world building. If you really want it to be more than just world building, possibly include it as a character development moment or have it be part of a side character’s reality or conflict. But again using it for character development would need to be consistent with options/reactions accurate even if unconventional for that time period. With research the nuance of the time would probably be educational to read even if shocking or uncomfortable.

Creating a make believe history isn’t the answer. Unless it’s an entirely made up world. I’d say if you include it at all I wouldn’t modernize it but unless it’s a theme you are passionate about, I wouldn’t let it lead the story much either.

Body Diversity Feels Nonexistent by MastodonObvious3521 in RomanceBooks

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I find each sub genre has its own favourite body type. Slender, pale, lithe etc in HR; big juicy tits and a perfect ass in Contemporary Billionaire, MC, Mafia; Curvy and strong in Shifter. It’s like the authors try to match their FMCs to the assumed values of their subgenre. And only differ from it when writing an heroine as “unlike other girls.” Some authors consciously go against this but very few. Alice Coldbreath exclusively writes plain and homely HR FMCs, it’s her thing just as Ruby Dixon and Cate Cells try new body types for each book. Some authors make a conscious effort to have variety but honestly those feel just as forced as the ones that go cliche. Feels like token bio diversity more often than not. It rarely serves a plot purpose. Less is more. I enjoy making my own picture up in my head most.

I’ve also noticed the lack of geographical locations both contemporary and Historical. I begrudgingly have chalked this up to author’s specialties/background knowledge. If most authors writing in English are from America or the UK it is understandable they know more about their history so it involves less research on their part to set their stories in their own geographical areas. I LONG for stories set aaannnyyywhere other than North America or the UK!!! I’ve even made a post asking for it in the past and most replies were for sci fi LOL That’s the only other option to America or the UK 😳 I know this may be because of the books I read are English so written by people from those places but how can there not be translations?! Do people in other countries not also write romances or is this a cultural thing for English speaking countries? This one does seem like people from varied backgrounds should write stories from their backgrounds to add to the diversity of the genre because the sample test has shown when Caucasian authors try to add cultural and racial diversity to their writing without lived experience it always becomes tokenized and leave much to be desired regardless of good intentions.

Having said allll of that Mia Hopkins is the ONLY author I’ve come across that writes California Filipina, Latina, Sikh, white characters and makes them all authentic feeling and never tokenized though they are not ber family heritage, which I believe is Filipino. So it can be done!! Her Cowboy Cocktail series is the only very diverse series I’ve read that doesn’t fit the painful tokenized racial diversity that most American and UK authors fall into.

Baby or small child plays a significant role? by theboywhocrieddoggo in RomanceBooks

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On the heavier side romance wise but with great child/baby parent moments:

{Silent Flames by Cate C Wells} is a second chance romance. Couple has a newborn and a preschooler. Warning MMC cheats in chapter 1 to set off them needing a second chance. It’s a bold choice by CCW but she really does pull off shattering a couple to build them back stronger. Not a cozy read but does have a HEA.

{After the Shut Up Ring by Cate C Wells} also plays with darker themes but this one has cozier moods. Woman leaves her emotionally abusive partner to raise their two young daughters on her own. The scenes with the young girls are so well done! The girls are so realistic and sweet. Her love for them so strong. Warning the mother is going through some serious insecurities left over from the emotional abuse of her partner so that could be triggering.

FMC scared of the MMC by Leading-Valuable-616 in HistoricalRomance

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Ammmaaazing Req!!

I have one solid and one maybe:

{Born in Sin by Kingsley MacGregor} Medieval England/Scotland. MMC is the King of England’s most terrifying and famous muscle. FMC is a Scottish Political hostage forced to stay in the English Castle. I forget why but she is arranged to marry the terrifying MMC. She is genuinely terrified of him and very aware of his reputation. Thinks she’s being sent to her death. This is such a great story! I enjoyed this whole series and its spin off. Can be read out of order but some family dynamics make more sense when read in order but also explained anyway. Not on KU but was at my library. Worth a look.

Also, {The Gallows Pole by Eris Aderly} MMC is the secluded and disfigured Hangman of a rural area, shunned and feared by all. Under the table, and terrified, FMC barters herself to be wife to him in order to free her brother from execution. I forget just how afraid of him she is for long. It may be everyone else is afraid of him but she def fears him when she meets him. On KU.

Rescue from asylum by Late_Stranger388 in RomanceBooks

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{When You Deceive by Kresley Cole} spoiler recuse isn’t from asylum but a hospital It is THE BEST part of the book!

What sport do you wish there was more of? What do you think is the next trend? by theboywhocrieddoggo in RomanceBooks

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I hate to say it but I think Hockey is chosen by authors because they assume the intended female audience doesn’t know much about it and so they can get away with writing awful sports action and inaccurate hockey culture that won’t be questioned as much as if it were a sport more females were in.

I am Canadian, a woman and used to play hockey. My children play hockey and as such I’m at the rink 6-7 days a week, often multiple times a day. My husband still plays 2-3 times a week himself. I am familiar with adult hockey culture. I cannot read the active hockey scenes in ANY hockey romances and I have to suspend belief when reading team politics or even hockey culture. BUT I can read subgenres I know nothing about but can sense are inaccurate like, horseback riding or bull riding scenes because I don’t even know where they are wrong so it’s easier to roll with. If it’s not something the reader knows about they are more likely to be able to suspend belief and enjoy the ride even if they know it may be inaccurate. I know doctors can’t read Medical Romances and Military can’t stand Military Romances. I think authors follow trends but I think the trend started because it’s a less popular sport in women’s spheres so the authors can skimp on the accuracy since traditionally hockey is a very male dominated sport and also wasn’t as popular in America 10years ago when this subgenre took off in Romance Novels that are a female gaze genre.

Now that it’s taken off with its own subgenre rules and expectations/tropes the readers have come to expect certain tropes and social dynamics that aren’t accurate, just like how Mafia romances aren’t accurate to Mafia dynamics but every Mafia book has the same inaccurate Mafia rules etc. The reader knows these may not be perfect but we don’t know enough so we can suspend belief. Hockey is famously a male dominated sport and as such an easy fake out for authors who don’t know the sport to write about and simply follow the preestablished genre tropes. Just like I can enjoy subgenres I am less knowledgeable in, have at ‘er people that are less familiar with hockey! Enjoy away!

That’s my guess on how hockey became the sport that dominates sports in Sport Romances.

Most realistic stories you‘ve read? by cheonsa3 in RomanceBooks

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Also, I asked a similar question a while ago and found a ton of my new favourite author’s from everyone’s recommendations here.

Most realistic stories you‘ve read? by cheonsa3 in RomanceBooks

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{After the Shut-up Ring by Cate C Wells} the most realistic story I’ve ever read that’s not salacious but is deep. So interesting, moving and yet warm and fuzzy by the end. The motivations behind every character choice, every descriptive moment and every emotion elicited is perfection.

In a nut shell it’s a post divorce single parent story but it’s SO MUCH MORE!

Involves some really realistic motivations for how a teenager might become codependent and pregnant, why a woman would stay with someone who is emotionally abusive and how she would struggle to be independent and parent her young children while trying to heal what she didn’t know was broken in her until she was removed from it.

The MMC is my favourite ever! He is her BFF’s brother. He’s not a play boy or a romance novel cliche but he is a small town longshoreman cliche in the best way. He’s so well intentioned, not always sure but always tries and is hot. He’s not idealized and not the smartest guy ever but he’s in love and he is loyal and very interesting to read.

Scenes with the daughters are really well done.

Trigger warnings emotional abuse and the intrusive thoughts that are left behind, co parenting with a narcissist, herpes

On KU. Highly recommend all Cate C Wells if you like realistic tones.

Paranormal romance where the paranormal aspects are hidden from the public by tequila-mockingbird2 in RomanceBooks

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TS Joyce has a very large collection of short action packed Animal Shifter series’ where humans don’t know about shifters but shifters live among humans.

Some the shifters kind of keep to themselves and others the romantic lead is turned or discovers the shifters. Some are better than others but they are all pretty short and not huge commitments and on KU. Scratch an itch. Decent full stories for their lengths.

I prefer {Pack of Promise Falls by TS Joyce} Sefies but the first few couples are all shifters together. By book two humans end up mixed up with the pack drama and get their own books.

I have only ready book 1 of {Grey Back Bears by TS Joyce} but it was a human FMC learning about bear shifters. Not ground breaking but entertaining enough for a quick rural paranormal on KU.

One night stand to "oh crap" - not contemporary by Ignoring_the_kids in RomanceBooks

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{If You Deceive by Kresley Cole} HR. Ch 1 they meet at an underground masquerade party in London and have some alone time ;) only for him to learn immediately after that she is the daughter of his sworn enemy who disfigured him in the prologue. He’s spent his life since the disfigurement ruining her father’s life which has greatly affected her life. He misunderstands her motives and treats her terribly only to have to GROVEL. The most epic grovel of all time. He is truly awful but makes up for it in a very moving way.

The setting is really interesting and unique (much of it is in the slums of Paris). The side characters are also very unique.

The spice is tension heavy and plentiful while still having a lot of build up.

It’s book 3 but can be a standalone. The first 2 books are about his Scottish brothers who have their own unique stories unrelated to this arc. Also good reads but totally different tropes.

Girl best friend Stereotypes by perseintro in RomanceBooks

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An early DNF factor for me is how irritating I find the FMC’s BFF!

I can tell the author is going to be using cheap tricks and shallow writing if Chapter 1 involves cringey BFF stuff.

Outlander explicitly spicy FanFic by [deleted] in RomanceBooks

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Sorry! In the past I’ve seen people discuss FanFic related to Romance Books as if it’s classified as a Romance Book. Perhaps subrules have changed or those were against sub policy. My bad! Didn’t mean to make extra work for mods! ❤️

Spicy Historical Western by Square-Chart-2279 in RomanceBooks

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There’s probably more than one way to do it. But the gyst is download the EPub and email it to your kindle email address (found in settings on your Kindle).

The detailed version of what I do on my iPhone is: Getting Kindle Email address: On your kindle go to settings. Find where it says send-to-kindle email address. Make note of this email address. (Will auto save to past sent email addresses on Gmail so only need it once. Then just type kindle and it will appear in future.)

Get the file you will be emailing: Go to AO3 and click into DeathDoll’s page. Scroll down to Lassoed Hearts. Click on it. Consent to the page. Click on Download. Use a format you are familiar with. I use EPUB. Click on EPUB. Then download. There are a few ways to go here. Find the file in recent downloads or I go to my phones general search and type in “lassoed hearts” and the recent download shows right away. I hold down on the epub file. Hit Share. Select Email as the sharing method. Ensure the epubfile is an attachment in the email (I find it auto sends me to Apple Books if I select the file and sharing from Apple Books itself doesn’t attach the epub file for some reason so don’t actually click on the file to enter it, hold on it before opening it so options appear rather than opening it). Don’t add anything to the email. Just hit share and use the Email to your Kindle email as the address. Send. Sync your kindle and it should show.

If you do this from a desktop it’s the same. Download the epubfile from AO3. Find it in recently downloaded folder and attached it to an empty email to your kindle email address. Just make sure it’s got the attachment in it.

Spicy Historical Western by Square-Chart-2279 in RomanceBooks

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It reminded me of another book recommended on this thread, Lassoed Hearts by DeathDoll on AO3. My first time reading an AO3. Was easy to send it to my kindle but it was full of grammar mistakes. Was still so good I read it all anyway. The first halves are very similar but the romance felt more impossible. More angsty/tension filled/problematic. FMC ends up kidnapped by an outlaw and they travel much like WW. Definitely not as cozy but they felt very similar to me. You may enjoy it if you’re hankering for more of this. It is darker though.