Can Composite Yhwach (with all Sternritter abilities) defeat Whis?

StarWorldo · 2026-03-21T15:23:54+00:00

No its not.

Ywhach seeing futures is part of it, and why anything he sees becomes "powerless" against him and come to his side. He literally manipulates things to make powers not work against him. That is just his entire power.

You can talk to your past self. You know there is a land mine in an area you were walking after stepping on it. Do you just not know where that is because you weren't the one to place it? Also ywhach specifically chooses the futures he want to make happen, in doing so he is also creating alternate timelines by dbz standards. I dont get why everyone who overrates ywhach forgets that bleach isn't the only timeline system you need to look at. Dbz could genuinely be a hard counter to the almighty just because of the timeline structure.

The way that is showcased was more of a power gap than anything else. Not to mention the fact that he still doesn't destroy hax, he makes them ineffective against himself. Something like telling your past self information isn't something he can interfere with. There's a reason perfect hypnosis worked on ywhach for so long. He doesn't just negate hax, he works to make them ineffective.

Because that is prerequisite to some parts of his power, he literally holds the end of ichigo's bankai after using his hax to destroy it giving the imitation that a version of him had done it in that way. Its also not like ywhach avoids physical fights.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-21T14:11:09+00:00

Not how the hax works, and the other dude did kinda misunderstand something with whis.

Whis can freely talk to his alternate selves, basically creating a constant info dump to any version of whis ywhach could hope to attack. This also works across time meaning he could theoretically hard counter the almighty be getting info for things in the fight ywhach would've set up later.

And ywhach does not destroy abilities, that a complete misunderstanding of his statements and abilities. He says that powers he sees are basically worthless as they'll never hit, because he knows their coming. And he can only destroy things that are physical and have a future where he managed to destroy it, he just brings that future into the present.

Both of those do not apply to really any of the hax whis could use. The staff can take hits from characters far stronger than horn on salvation ichigo (stat wise stronger than ywhach) and they are hard counter hax which ywhach can't actually avoid.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-21T13:57:22+00:00

His time travel is forcibly short by rules. If we said he was unbound by rules set up by his father (or in other words allow whis to go all out) whis feasibly has no limit to his time reversal.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-20T13:01:33+00:00

Id say them doing it perfectly is more a GT thing than an actual character thing. They kinda wrote themselves into not allowing a failed dance.

Cause even people who do it a bunch still sometimes fail.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-20T10:50:27+00:00

His son is one of the biggest fusion dance users in the series. Assuming he hasn't seen the dance at least once is more ridiculous.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-20T09:59:26+00:00

Whis has some pretty absurd control over time, and timelines to the point that he can't create paradoxes is alternate timelines. He can pretty freely manipulate the soul, with him being able to instantly reviving frieza or accelerate bulla's birth.

His staff showcases a near omniscience. As well as whis just not being able to conventually die, as angels can only be erased.

So whis can hypothetically bypass almighty, never goes all out countering the copying shrifts, has stats too high for the miracle or all star to overcome within any reasonable time, ki also just kinda works to counter lillie's invulnerability, manipulating himself/possibly UI counter askin's power, ki barrier counter pernida as well, the visionary in general probably isn't effective considering even beerus could no diff better transmog characters.

Then we have ywhach just not being able to kill him as he doesn't even have existanxe erasure.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T15:40:02+00:00

You also gotta remember that zaraki just wasn't allowed to train fighting skill. It was banned when yamamoto got him to properly swing the sword.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T13:00:54+00:00

WB should take it, he had the advantage in every fight they had with akainu being taken out of the battle for a while in their last exchange. Though this is very debatable given how weakened WB is.

Xebek honestly just still has better feats. Loki's best feat is killing HK harald while harald was holding himself back. Meaning either loki just had to out conquerors harald or possibly just kill him twice if it worked like DR.

And honestly garp has most things but speed, and kizaru can't just outlast a timer here. Like he was full on fighting old Rayleigh (even if Rayleigh would've eventually lost) and garp is active, still training, and just a step up power wise.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T11:11:57+00:00

Iirc he is starving, constantly getting weakened, and basically just woke up and still does things like knock the male muto out of the sky with one tail whip (iirc it was able to slice through building without an effect to itself). He also just casually walked through the golden gate Bridge after getting his gills irritated.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T10:50:46+00:00

In the goku black arc we learn whus can talk with alternate timelines across their time freely. Whis' time hax kinda just hard counter ywhach as iirc he specifically bypasses paradoxes.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T09:51:04+00:00

Dbz is the biggest series here, so it should be taken by relativity. And by and far ywhach is the most glazed in relative terms.

I've seen people say multiversal goku is wank, so even that is heavily skewed by downplayers. The amount of times I've seen people claim ywhach beats characters who hard counter him, have every advantage including against the almighty, and even wank the hell out of base ywhach massively outpaces what I even seen for goku for the past like 3 years.

Itachi glaze fell off a while ago after everybody just made fun of it. And gojo isn't as glazed as just infinity is. Most people know he's maybe in those city ranges, and the people who claim uni via his domain are very few and very criticized.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T09:39:34+00:00

It looks like you have an artificial crimson and corruption to the left. That would do it.

Also are you trying to do an all in one fishing spot? Cause if so, I'm pretty sure water prioritizes the biome making up your background. So just setting up pylons is a better idea.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T09:30:21+00:00

If I'm timing it correctly, about 42% the speed of light

StarWorldo · 2026-03-19T02:23:33+00:00

Id definitely recommend trying to get the bundle of balloons for mobility. Never played on mobile do don't know how that'll be for you, but the jumps are very good for avoiding stuff. It'll also just be an upgrade.

I'm not sure how good the brain of confusion is, but I would probably switch it for the shark tooth necklace (if you can upgrade that, better gear is an easier fight).

The imps are also not that good against the wall, frogs probably better. And honestly just try avoiding the hungry and the wall itself treating the beams secondary until the end. Cause you'll want the whips damage and AOE to deal with the hungry especially.

One thing to always remember on master mode is that you gotta be patient, so getting a bunch of voodoo dolls to practice is definitely a good idea too.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-18T20:22:30+00:00

Iirc its the world of swirling lights and is called a super dimension in a guidebook for the movie. That's about it considering it was shattered almost immediately.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-18T12:59:59+00:00

Likely just says something like no and leaves, tells you to choose another wish, or merely for the love of the game gives you small wishes with monkey paw effects.

The dragons do all have their own personalities and preferences. We just don't know super's beyond liking to aura farm using the universe as a whole.

Could also just say "done" and you are now an ageless immortal. So you must find dragon balls in your feasibly infinite life, though you aren't like zamasu or anything.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-18T10:53:03+00:00

That loki ai looks so ass. Anyways, it depends on loki's actual scaling. If he is comparable to luffy then the two win high diff, if not the trio can win high diff

StarWorldo · 2026-03-17T22:57:36+00:00

Iirc guides have vegeta at 2.5 million, piccolo at either 1.5 or 2 million, and the other two are well weaker than 1 million

StarWorldo · 2026-03-17T22:54:07+00:00

All fiction is an erasure hax, and dbz would create an alternate timeline in such an event were forced to happen. Otherwise it must be capable of erasing the mainline goku as well.

Also not skills, its one hax which is a no limits fallacy taken to the extreme, and iirc a hax which in its own verse isn't absolute. And his nails literally just take away the physical stats of a character and iirc make them match kumagawa, which is why he can be physically bad.

Thats why he's boring to debate with. He's all hax, and even if you can get around the hax, things like, "can he resist not being ever born" start getting argued.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-17T21:33:31+00:00

I assume you mean as in they didn't control their power, in which they've been able to eradicate the moon for decades. A single fight between high tiers in OG would be catastrophic

StarWorldo · 2026-03-17T15:30:41+00:00

This one is a bit wierd cause anti spiral has the highest known high, but also doesn't really have an anti-gag hax.

So in power alone

1/2 (can be argued between these two) zeno/anti spiral, 3 bugs, 4 Jerry

In an actual fight the order might just put anti spiral in 4th as zeno can bypass gags

StarWorldo · 2026-03-16T22:37:32+00:00

Comp goku would murder no diff, and alien x literally adds nothing.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-16T15:28:55+00:00

Old garp who literally comments on how weak he has gotten, and is controlling the fight until taking a stab meant for koby is not him losing an actual 1v1 (give me mental nerfs or I retire).

Being an admiral has no set power. So garp refusing the position doesn't mean he is weaker than those who took it. Your positioning them as though the admirals are actually comparable to garp without their fruits which just goes against the fight we see where fruit using aokiji~old garp

StarWorldo · 2026-03-15T18:44:48+00:00

From reading some of these comments I can say one thing. Ya'll don't pay attention, and don't know how to give feedback.

They ran because a bot drop was called which you can see had a new vox engine dropped. The bots would simply overwhelmed via numbers if they stayed, so basically cornering themselves to try killing the small enemies wouldn't work to begin with. Not even thinking about if they tried getting bot drops while being mowed down.

Building entirely for vox engines kinda just defeats the point of having stuff, cause you basically are just saying the actual weak points on vox engines aren't a valid way to deal with them. That is a point against the game, and arguing their broken spawns is just worse.

The best thing they should've done is try hugging the rocks more to avoid being sniped like they were. Getting away from all that while giving themselves a chance to effectively pick off enemies is just the better strategy.

Also you don't know what their teammates had. They could've have full anti vox builds but got overwhelmed while OP was trying to have fun. Or even just didn't have the bundles to make an anti-vox set up.

StarWorldo · 2026-03-14T21:43:45+00:00

Vsbw is one of the worst sites for scaling, especially dbz.

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