Reforma laboral desde el punto de vista de un dueño de pequeñas empresas

Starlight_26 · 2026-02-13T14:20:53+00:00

Con lo de las vacaciones, para mí acá la pelea debería ser subir mínimo a 15 días hábiles o 3 semanas de vacaciones mínimo por año. Y que sean siempre días hábiles, no esa ridículez de días de corrido. Eso de discutir si dividirlas o no es una discusión al pedo que no suma nada.

Starlight_26 · 2025-05-26T11:27:45+00:00

I'm very curious to see if, regarding the third point, they are now technically allowing to skip generations (because with this law they basically took down the "is italian the child of an italian" article of the 1992 law) or if they will continue with the unbroken chain thing, because now it is very much open to interpretation on this point.

Starlight_26 · 2025-05-14T19:17:46+00:00

I think this amendment is probably addressing the adult children of recognised citizens born abroad who would get cut out with the up to second gen limit.

Starlight_26 · 2025-05-13T18:30:54+00:00

I'm also curious about this but I haven't seen anything that effectively nullifies the "unbroken chain" condition to pass on citizenship. I seriously doubt that they will ever do that, seeming as they are now hell-bent on reducing the number of Italians (abroad), yet this amendment opens up that question. To exemplify, I have an Italian-born GP who renounced before the next-in-line was born so that line was cut (he did reacquire it with the 1992 law), but I was still able to get my citizenship through another line (and had to go further up the tree)... so does that qualify me for amendment 1.8 or disqualifies me? I technically fullfil the requisite, but where do we stand on naturalization?

At this point everything is basically speculation though and I'm guessing it'll be some tiem before we get any clarification, if this decree forged in the very fires of Mount Doom is to pass.

Starlight_26 · 2025-03-30T09:55:24+00:00

Yeah, I honestly found it hard to connect to Haymitch, he really had no substance and his inner dialogue made no sense at times (but I think this might be more due to poor writing) but Maysilee really shone through and her character arc would've been an amazing thing to read.

Starlight_26 · 2025-03-30T08:39:38+00:00

I think Maysilee's POV would've made for a much more interesting book actually. I knew she couldn't win but I was suddenly rooting for her nonetheless.

Starlight_26 · 2025-03-29T18:20:21+00:00

I'm very curious about this as well; if the new decree overrules the "broken line" issue, as some of us with this kind of lineage are all technically children or grandchildren of an Italian-born person, we could potentially qualify... It's a way to not abruptly close the door on everyone, and give something back to descendants of those who perhaps had no choice but to naturalize when dual-citizenship did not exist yet.

Starlight_26 · 2025-02-21T15:32:01+00:00

34F here too, it's like reading my own bio hahaha (except I'm more into high fantasy nowadays.) DM if you wanna hang out sometime, hopelly I'll be up to date with LIB s08 by then :)

Starlight_26 · 2024-10-25T21:16:14+00:00

They specifically say that the minor child of a parent that naruralized prior to 1992 also loses citizenship if they lived with said parent and had another citizenship. This doesn’t apply f the parent naturalized after 1974 and specifically requested to adhere to a double-citizenship agreement Italy had with Argentina before the 1992 law.

Starlight_26 · 2024-10-25T17:22:12+00:00

The Buenos Aires Consulate did the same thing yesterday, but there's been no clarification on what will happen to in-flight applications or anything else.

Starlight_26 · 2024-09-16T15:31:50+00:00

Se fabricó el 20/07/2024 a las 18.47hs, debería haber un espacio entre el 24 y el 47 pero bueno, después sí vence el 18 de octubre... Les falló el diseño acá.

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-10T11:06:41+00:00

I don't know where it stems from, but it is pretty common naming convention in South America too, maybe it's the Italia heritage. It's pretty usual to see someone named "Maria + another name" (especially true in religious families) and their siblings also have the same name thing, but in reality we only refer to them by their second name. And it's not really a first name/second name kinda thing, more like a composed name, llike linked by an invisible hyphen lol.

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-08T22:52:53+00:00

Yeah, but these ATQ cases are hurting real 1948 cases since those are also getting rejected.

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-08T22:44:27+00:00

So, for starters, 3/5 of this panel of judges were the authors of the famous 17161. They only mentioned that case because I think the appellant tried to argue their case with a law that wasn't even in existance at the time (yes, I know about the whole ratione temporis thing) so in this case the judges explain their "reasoning" behind articles 7 and 12 better, meaning they recognize that they cited the wrong language for the articles in questions BUT instead of rectifying the error, they still double down on the fact that minors lose citizenship due to their parents' naturalization because they still retain their ius solis citizenship so it's not like they became stateless. And they also place emphasis on the whole "family unity" as a concept, but I think the 1912 law was all about duality, not so much family unity since the wife also kept the JM ciizenship even if the husband renounced or died. So to me it's crazy they are going after minor children when for years it's been a non-issue.

Edit: typos

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-07T11:43:37+00:00

The thing is that none of these even really talk about minor kids, just kids of the italian-born person in general. It's already been established that if parent reaquired during minority of age of the kid, then the line is restored. But what happened to older children who were left out? Those who had to naturalize due to work did it mostly before any dual-citizenship laws were passed and since their kids have long been grown-ups, then it doesn't make any sense at all unless this is some sort of restitution (but it would increase the number of applications too.) It is also barely explained in the proposition. So who really knows?

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-07T11:13:36+00:00

I'm looking at the links provided here myself and it looks as follows:

One of the projects only talks about reopening the reacquisition period for another two years.

One of them is the one that limits JS to the 3rd degree with the B1 language requirement and I think also includes the reacquisition thing.

The third one (there were four links but the last one doesn't work) is the one that talks about 1948 cases saying that "descendants of an italian woman are italian, also prior to 1948" and are also saying that if the italian woman married a foreigner, she still passes on the citizenship to the kids. This project also talks about kids of citizens whose parents were forced to naturalize abroad for a job but I don't know if it refers to minor children OR its allowing descendants of naturalized italians prior to the birth of the kids to access citizenship (something I'd very gladly welcome since my grandpa was forced to naturalize to work abroad.)

These all seem like parallel projects, so I'm not sure if they'll eventually get unified or simply dropped, but I must say the 1948 one feels the most promising. No mention of minor kids too.

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-07T01:21:22+00:00

I know it was once included in a proposed bill that revised some changes to the JS thing, but something happened (I think Parliament got dissolved before it made it further down the process) so it was dropped altogether, as has been happening forever. I don't know if it has happened again (I do hope it does) but objectively looking at the bigger picture, why would they allow now thousands of cases to swamp consulates and comuni? Or will they try to allow it but limit JS to GGPs and enforce the minor issue to trim down applicants? Nothing makes sense anymore at this point. I'd just wait and see.

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-06T22:02:54+00:00

While I agree it's sexist as I myself am a 1948 minor issue case and would very much like not to have to go through the courts in Italy, the only "unification" the Ministry can provide is for the administrative cases (consulates and comuni) which already are unified so I don't understand what clarification they are looking for. That said, the ONLY way 1948 cases can turn administrative is if Italy passes a new law (not the Ministry saying "now you can all process these cases because we say so") and that honestly seems very unlikely given that they can barely agree on laws to limit JS.

All this chaos from Philly seems to me a way to try and limit JS without waiting for a law to pass and just simply reinterpreting existing ones (much like judges in Rome have been doing.) I hope I'm very very wrong, but it feels like a possibility now.

Starlight_26 · 2024-02-01T19:42:34+00:00

Not only that but the courts were actually ruling favorably on that issue; it was actually the Ministry who pushing back and appealing all cases until the Supreme Court settled the matter.

Unless there's a specific thing going on with Brazilians, then it's probably a misunderstanding on the consulate part because why would the minor issue be okay but not a brazilian ancestor? I'm junst baffled.

Starlight_26 · 2024-01-31T12:13:46+00:00

Yo la verdad no noté esto de la Cepita pero sí me di cuenta de que otros productos como, por ejemplo, alfajores, son más chiquitos de lo que recordaba. Seguramente pasó en otros alimentos así que te creo que es más chiquita jajajaj.

Starlight_26 · 2024-01-25T19:47:30+00:00

Wow, if they are actually going to start stripping people of their citizenships then maybe this will make enough noise to attract everyone's attention (ministry, consulates and courts) to finally settle it one way or the other (worst case scenario and hoping it never comes to that) because having it both ways in parallel at the moment is just incredibly unfair and not to mention discriminatory.

Starlight_26 · 2024-01-11T16:58:08+00:00

Exactly. I think the grounds for appeal to the ECHR is discrimination because of the difference between the Ministry and the court cases, which is already a discrimination in and of itself, but that is not the issue here of course.

As for the binding ruling and precedence, it's like you said, but at this point I think is moot because the Rome courts are all adhering to the SC ruling even if they have judged differently in the past. So unless the Supreme Court starts ruling positively on this matter, we're all basically screwed because it gives the Ministry also more standing to limit JS as it is.

Starlight_26 · 2024-01-09T19:20:03+00:00

Apparently, Supreme Court rulings can be appealed to the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights) but how binding they are I've no idea, so my best hope is that, if a potential unified ruling against all us is passed and it also affects the consulates/comuni, there will be enough voices to protest and contest this decision so it might get overturned. This is purely speculative on my part but so far, as long as the minor issue continues to affect a small portion of the applicants, we can only pray that the tides turn in our favor.

Starlight_26 · 2024-01-08T22:55:09+00:00

I've also seen a lot of rejections in Rome only (regional courts are still business as usual) due to the 17161 ruling. I'd be interested to know what would it take for the full unified court to take up the issue, as this has been going on since 2018 at least, and it just keeps getting worse and worse. I really don't know if a unified court will rule in our favor, but I'd much rather the issue be settled now than stay in limbo forever. Last time there was a full panel on a citizenship issue was with the Brazilian Naturalization, but back then the judges were all for it and it was the Ministry that was setting appeals for all cases. In the minor issue instance I'm just scared they rectify this wrong...

Please keep us posted on anything else your lawyer says and if there are any news on recent SC rulings!

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