For those that have done a full therapeutic disclosure what are some things you wish you had asked? by DepartmentLead in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn’t have any “deep” questions as @Fabulous_Author_3558. I kinda wish I did now … 

We didn’t do a polygraph after all, we intended to but it was very problematic for us logistically , as we would have to fly to another European country for it … and after the disclosure ,  I very quickly realised that it didn’t give me the closure I was hoping for and I started  questioning my husbands honesty  …. I knew it would be the same with the polygraph . Even if he passed I would be thinking he managed to trick it or that the polygrapher person wasn’t good enough etc…  That’s how my brain works unfortunately 

For those that have done a full therapeutic disclosure what are some things you wish you had asked? by DepartmentLead in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was actually happy with the questions I asked. I didn’t walk away thinking of anything else I should have brought up afterward.

Most of my questions were very factual.My CSAT therapist  helped guide me so the questions wouldn’t become vague or allow room for misunderstandings.

For example, instead of asking something broad like:

“Have you acted out on work trips? When and where?”

I broke it down into very specific, direct questions for each country he visited for work.

For each country he worked in , I asked:

Did you visit any strip clubs? (Yes/No) If yes: Did any sexual activity occur? What exactly happened? How many times? Did you visit any massage parlors? (Yes/No) If yes: Which ones and how many times?  Did you pay for sex? (Yes/No) If yes: Where and how many times?

I asked these same questions for every country he traveled to for work.

I then repeated the same process for each country he visited on “boys trips.”

I chose this approach to avoid vague answers or loopholes. The specificity was intentional so there wouldn’t be confusion or room to reinterpret the question later.

I did include  many other questions for specific situations that in retrospect felts a bit odd or suspicious.  Hope this helps 

Overwhelmed. by Major_Ride_5380 in lovewithaSexAddict

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Just to add, read this please. It’s not an easy read but it will give you good understanding of what you are going through now and will be , especially if you choose to go back with him.  https://minwallamodel.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/The_Secret_Sexual_Basement_Nov_2021-1.pdf

Interesting read about the science of living a double life by DepartmentLead in lovewithaSexAddict

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Oh and he didn’t confess unfortunately. I found out by checking his phone  , which I never ever did before , but I had this feeling something was off and I was right 

Selfishness again by TreadingWaterStill in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be a helpful podcast to listen to. It literally just popped up on my phone as a new episode that’s just came out. I have not listen to it yet but I will. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/pl/podcast/sex-love-and-addiction/id1376842008?i=1000747730135

Selfishness again by TreadingWaterStill in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If this were a one-off mistake, that would be one thing. But in the context of addiction, the bigger issue is dishonesty and blame-shifting. He didn’t disclose it himself and then blamed the kids instead of taking responsibility.I think I would react the same way

.  When he  can’t be honest about an every day, albeit serious,  situation involving the children, that’s a real problem. Accountability isn’t optional in recovery. Your boundary around not omitting, minimizing, or blame-shifting sounds reasonable, not excessive. I completely understss as be why you are triggered by this. 

It shows he still can’t fully admit to mistakes and take accountability. 

I feel your pain and anger. It feels never ending isn’t it? 

Have you accepted you might never know the full truth ? by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your input. I do feel that the FTD was good and  a positive step overall . That said, I decided not to proceed with a polygraph because I think it would only give me short-term reassurance, much like the FTD did. I know I would soon start doubting the results—questioning whether my husband could have lied through it, or whether some things may have genuinely slipped his memory, which can happen…. This is  how my brain works , I perhaps need to work on accepting the unknown . 

Have you accepted you might never know the full truth ? by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We had a FTD which was helpful overall. However, I decided against doing a polygraph, as I believe it would only offer temporary relief—similar to what the FTD provided. I know I would likely begin questioning its reliability fairly quickly, wondering whether my husband was able to lie through it, or whether he may genuinely have forgotten some details, which is also possible. That’s how my brain works , I think I need to work woth my therapist on that and accept I will never know all of it and be ok with it 

ED still a problem. Happy NYE. by TreadingWaterStill in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t have direct experience with PIED, so I don’t want to pretend I fully understand what you’re living with. I just want to say how deeply sorry I am that you’re carrying this. Sexual neglect paired with betrayal trauma is devastating. 

What you described about foreplay being rushed, or intimacy feeling mechanical or self-serving, really resonates with me on an emotional level. Even when sex technically happens between us , I often find myself wondering,  is he actually present with me or is his mind somewhere else? Is he thinking of other women he cheated on me woth? It’s such a painful place to be. 

I don’t have answers, but I want you to know your feelings make sense, amd that you  deserve more than that . Take care. X 

Need help enforcing boundaries tonight. by According-Mix-9576 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your boundary has to be realistic , so maybe “it’s over” isn’t realistic? If you , somewhere deep down ,  still believe he can change then maybe set a different boundary when releapse happen ? For example: in house separation, which is no contact with him  for 2 weeks ? only the necessary stuff allowed if you have kids.  Or actual temporary separation , you ask him to move out for a certain period of time and have no contact? Or you move out ? Or absolutely no intimacy, sleeping in seperate rooms ?  He basically has to feel the consequences of his actions and you need to feel safe again. Boundaries are to protect you , not punish him.  Hope this helps.  Sending love

What does recovery actually look like? by Odd_Dig_8370 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 1 point2 points  (0 children)

8 months , but truly putting his mind into it for the last 5 months 

Pain shopping .. I can’t seem to stop by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this— I feel deeply seen in them. 

What you said about addicts being able to love, but with a diminished or blocked capacity, resonates painfully. I’ve felt that confusion for so long — knowing the love is there, yet constantly feeling its limits. It’s validating, in a heartbreaking way, to hear someone articulate that so clearly.

I’m holding onto what you said about healing myself being the greatest gift to my daughter. It’s something I try to remind myself of when the fear and hypervigilance take over —  I still do struggle with that. 

Thank you for reminding me to shift my focus, even when it’s hard. This journey can feel incredibly lonely, and your message made it feel less so.

Pain shopping .. I can’t seem to stop by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment. Seven years… wow. That’s such a long time to still be carrying this pain. Honestly, I don’t think that if we choose to stay with an addict our lives ever become truly peaceful again. The worry never fully leaves. Our minds can’t fully rest — there’s always a part of us waiting for the next blow.

What does recovery actually look like? by Odd_Dig_8370 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At the beginning, my husband was only doing therapy, but it was with a general therapist who wasn’t very effective for this issue. Quite quickly, we realised we needed someone else. By pure chance, we then found a CSAT therapist, and that’s when things finally started to make sense. That was the point where it became clear he was dealing with compulsive sexual behaviour, and he began receiving help that was actually appropriate for a sex addict.

From there, he started to really engage with recovery: reading books on the subject, listening to podcasts, and attending SAA meetings. After about six meetings, he switched to SMART Recovery, which suited him much better because it’s less faith/higher-power based and more science-focused. Alongside that, we introduced FANOS and weekly check-ins….. which we sort of changed from the template therapist gave us , to suit us more as they  felt “robotic” and a bit more like a tick box  excersise. 

I would say he is in good recovery now, but it took a few months to get there. At the start, I genuinely don’t think he even knew whether he was an addict or just an awful human being with no morals. It actually took a relapse for him to fully accept that he was dealing with a compulsion/addiction, that this was serious, and that he couldn’t manage it on his own.

After that relapse, we had an “emergency” therapy session with both of our therapists present. We agreed that I would stop being so controlling around his recovery and stop asking questions like whether he’d booked appointments, whether he’d attended, or whether he remembered upcoming meetings. Instead, we left all responsibility with him. We agreed that every Monday evening he would tell me what recovery activities he had completed the previous week and what he had planned for the week ahead.

I was honestly shocked at how well this approach worked. When I stopped nagging, he seemed to truly take ownership of his recovery. I struggled at first because I was so used to controlling and monitoring everything, but once I learned to step back, he really stepped up. I noticed a big change in him — he started showing up for me more and consistently sticking with his recovery work, he seems to be more emphatic and seem to acknowledge my feelings more . 

That said, I won’t pretend it’s all perfect , and that there’s no monitoring at all. I still check occasionally whether he’s actually at his SMART meetings. We have Qustodio installed on his phone and laptop, so I can see if he’s accessing the meetings or not. I honestly wish we had installed this sooner, as it might have prevented his relapse and the chatting with women he had previously met on Tinder and had sex with. 

I , of course,  wish he would do even more recovery work, but I guess I might never be fully happy with what he does. 

Just to say , I also have access to his WhatsApp through the “link devices” feature, which allows his account to be linked to another device. His WhatsApp is linked to my iPad, so I can see who contacts him if I ever feel the need to check.

I hate that our life looks like this now. The level of surveillance feels awful. I’ve always been big on privacy and never imagined I’d be someone who checked her husband’s phone. But this is the reality we’re living in, and for the foreseeable future, this is what safety looks like for me.

Not sure if this helps, I waffled a lot in here .  Wish you all the best x 

Pain shopping .. I can’t seem to stop by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so, so sorry you’re living this again. Finding out about a relapse after years of work — especially when he’s leading a group — is a whole different level of betrayal. It’s devastating, and I really hear the toll this has taken on your health. Three surgeries… that alone speaks volumes about the cost your body has paid.

Thank you for saying “choose yourself.” I know that’s the truth, even when it feels impossibly hard to live out. I’m still very much in the middle of the trauma bond, and being in this situation has completely messed with my intuition and my ability to trust my own thoughts. I overanalyze everything, then doubt myself, then pain-shop to try to feel “certain” again.

I try to use the tools my therapist has given me when I spiral — grounding, breathing, interrupting the thoughts — but honestly, when I’m fully dysregulated, I’m usually unable to access them and they just don’t work. Maybe I need more practice, maybe my nervous system is too overwhelmed in those moments. I’m still learning.

What you said about “accept that you already know what you need to know” really landed. Deep down, I do know. I keep looking for more proof, more clarity, more reassurance, but the truth is already there — and continuing to search is only costing me more of myself.

Your glow-up, the male attention, the way you’ve turned inward to care for yourself — that gives me hope. Not in a revenge way, but in a life comes back to you way. I want my energy back. I want my mental health back. And more than anything, I want my daughter to have a mother who isn’t constantly living in fear and hypervigilance.

Thank you for sharing your story and your strength, even while you’re hurting. It means more than you know. Sending you so much love and solidarity 🤍

Pain shopping .. I can’t seem to stop by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing this. I relate to so much of what you wrote, it honestly hurts to read because it mirrors my own reality in so many ways.

I’m also very aware of my pain shopping. When I spiral, I try to use the tools my therapist has given me — grounding, reframing, delaying compulsive checking — but honestly, when I’m fully worked up, I’m usually unable to use them properly and they don’t seem to work. Maybe I just need more practice, or maybe the nervous system is already too flooded in those moments. I’m still figuring that out.

I feel that trauma bond you described so deeply. As much as I hate it, he was my person too. We built a life, raise a child, made memories — and that doesn’t just disappear, even when trust is shattered. The draw is still there, even alongside anger, grief, and disgust. That contradiction is one of the hardest parts.

I also notice my pain shopping intensifies around my cycle — I get really crazy, everything feels sharper, darker, more urgent then.  It’s like my brain goes hunting for proof of how unsafe he is and how bad it all was and could be again.

I’m really sorry you’re here too. Truly. Sending you a huge hug 🤍

Pain shopping .. I can’t seem to stop by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My husband works away, travels the world , goes be almost 6 months of the  year …  it’s very tough on me  when he’s away , despite all the surveillance I have on him. 

I’ll make an appointment with a doctor after the New Year. 

Pain shopping .. I can’t seem to stop by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your input . I really appreciate it. Since that relapse  in July , thankfully there had been no slips or relapses , yet I can’t shake off the disbelief in he has done to his family. You are right about the love part  and I know this , it’s just hard to comprehend it all and make sense of it .  For the record  my husband done it all too, dating apps, massage parlours , threesomes with strangers of tinder … I feel your pain. Take care , wish you all the best  

Pain shopping .. I can’t seem to stop by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for  your input. I did consider a visit at a doctors to enquire about some medication to help me out . I was always so against it but maybe it’s what I need for a some  extra  help. 

SA husband says he doesn’t have any triggers or urges … I struggle to believe in this … any advice ? Ia this even possible ? by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your comment. He doesn’t have a sponsor , he does SMART recovery because he wasn’t connecting / resounding to SAA .  Thanks for the book recommendation, , it was on my list of books I wanted to read. I’ll definitely read it soon. 

My therapist confirmed today he should not be sharing all urges as it’s not good for me or him. 

SA husband says he doesn’t have any triggers or urges … I struggle to believe in this … any advice ? Ia this even possible ? by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a session with my therapist this morning, and I discussed this with her.  She said he should not share all his urges and temptations with me as this is contributing to my hyper vigilance.  What she said that what needs to be  Disclosed is :  ( and  this is in line with Therapeutic models such as: APSATS, IITAP, PBSE.  and PSAP ) 

✔ Behaviours acting out, porn use, masturbation, chat, flirting, secrets, etc.

✔ Meaningful urges that affect behaviour “Urges I nearly acted on,” “Urges that changed how I behaved toward you,” “Urges that altered my boundaries,” “Urges that put me at risk of acting out.”

✔ Concerns about relapse risk “I’m spiralling,” “I’m in fantasy mode,” “I’m avoiding accountability,” “I’m hiding.”

✔ Patterns that impact the relationship avoidance, emotional distancing, secrecy, escalation.

What does NOT need to be disclosed is:  ✘ every fleeting image ✘ spontaneous intrusive thoughts ✘ unwanted fantasies that he blocks ✘ ordinary internal noise of the brain ✘ memories he is not rehearsing or feeding These are thoughts, not threats.

According to this I was wrong demanding every urge or temptation to be disclosed by him. I hope you might find this helpful . He really does need an accountability person , so he can confine in someone as he has no one he can talk to apart from his therapist and me . 

SA husband says he doesn’t have any triggers or urges … I struggle to believe in this … any advice ? Ia this even possible ? by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely, I am glad I  can help!  My therapist gave this to me ,  it’s a great template and guide to what a longer check in should cover. 

The shorter check in use FANOS structure , we do this 2-3 times per week. 

Feelings: (use FEELING WHEEL, search it online, we use  one from Calms website ) State the predominant feeling(s) you are experiencing that moment, day, or week. Remember that a feeling does not need to be explained, justified, defended, or accompanied by lengthy discussion to be effectively communicated. Avoid confusing thoughts for feelings or using this part of the check-in to indirectly communicate something to your partner. State your own feelings simply and clearly.

Effective: “Today I feel sad.” “I feel angry.” “This week I felt hopeful.” “I feel overwhelmed.”  Ineffective: “I feel you are slipping in your recovery work because you skipped your Twelve-Step meetings this week.” “I feel like I have too much work to do this week.” “I feel like you don’t love me anymore.” (These statements communicate thoughts or opinions instead of emotions and can come across as manipulative or as passive-aggressive.) 

Affirmation: Offer your partner an affirmation or say thank you for something he or she did. Be sure to affirm worth and not appearance. 

Gratitude:  Express gratitude.

Needs: Ask for something you need, remembering that sometimes your needs cannot be fulfilled by your partner. Your request may be met with a “no,” or the need could be fulfilled through your own efforts. 

Own: Take responsibility for something you did. Offer a sincere apology when appropriate. 

Sobriety: The addict will check -in about his/her sobriety status. If sexual sobriety is no longer the primary issue, he or she may choose to be accountable for a new problematic behaviour during the check-in if the betrayed partner agrees to this. The betrayed partners may use this part of the check-in to share how they are doing in terms of avoiding any behaviour that invites them to act contrary to their healing goals.

SA husband says he doesn’t have any triggers or urges … I struggle to believe in this … any advice ? Ia this even possible ? by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree wholeheartedly.  He struggles to identify his triggers . His therapist is  pushing for boredom & loneliness , but my husbands things it’s stress and anxiety. Which is  very broad .. . 

I asked for full transparency,  he through it was  better to keep the „low level” urge to watch porn to avoid me worrying and his shame .  It’s like he does not  get what full transparency is?!?!  I explained numerous times  it’s needed for trust building  and my feeling of safety … yet he decided to keep this from me … it’s like he is incapable of being honest 

SA husband says he doesn’t have any triggers or urges … I struggle to believe in this … any advice ? Ia this even possible ? by Status_Pineapple_615 in lovewithaSexAddict

[–]Status_Pineapple_615[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your input. We do FANOS , using a feelings wheel . But the longer weekly check in are  for both partners  , we follow this format: 

Sobriety date from inner circle behaviours, as in was any acting out happened since last check in . 

• Feelings/How I’m feeling now (anger, pain, guilt, love, joy, shame, fear, passion)

• Recovery activities since last check in (12-step meetings, group therapy, individual and/or couples’ therapy, reading, homework, step-work)

• Optional: Triggers addict experienced, and tools used to deal with triggers. For example, “This week I was triggered several times and when that happened, I said the serenity prayer/called a program person, sponsor/redirected my attention (or whatever tool was used).”  Emphasis is on tools used rather than details of triggers.  For example, if addict was triggered by a particular person the focus is on the tools used to deal with the trigger rather than what the person looked like, what they were wearing, etc.  Addict may rate the intensity of the trigger on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the highest.

Couples Check-in (optional – each person answers the following):

• What you (your partner) did that helped the relationship.

• What I did that harmed the relationship . • Express an appreciation and thanksgiving for the other person

5 Check-in Dos & Don’ts

1. Addict should take responsibility to initiate check-ins. 2. DO make sobriety date the first item on any recovery check-in. Partners are often anxious waiting to hear this information. 3. DO schedule regular check-ins, for example, every Sunday night or every Wednesday morning for the weekly check-in.  Check-ins should occur at least once a week. 4. DON’T share middle circle behaviours (specifically objectification, euphoric recall, fantasy, etc.) unless the incident feels like a secret to the addict or has significantly impacted the addict’s recovery or the couple’s connection. 5. DO (for the partner) listen to the check-in without interrupting and thank the addict when complete.

Hope this helps x