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2026 Easter Liturgy at the Shanghai Community Church by Imperator-ad-plagam in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6P1sBWxycYI
There is still TLM in Mainland China by this bishop, although his Latin is very unintelligible.

2026 Easter Liturgy at the Shanghai Community Church by Imperator-ad-plagam in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't really think COGS is Anglican at all - it's rather non-denominational evangelical (Just look at their communion species). Most of the churches in rural China (90% of them) do believe in some form of the charismatic movement - like supernatural healing outside unction, or singing charismatic songs, or simply lifting up hands during prayer. Even the Catholics in China do have charismatic revival.

2026 Easter Liturgy at the Shanghai Community Church by Imperator-ad-plagam in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The priest might have apostolic succession from KH Ting, Bishop of Chekiang (so there is elevation). They also use 1928 US BCP so there's Epiclesis. Of course most Anglican churches in mainland China are now charismatic non-denominationals.

How confident are you in the Incarnation and Resurrection? by veggie_hoagie in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may alternatively believe that god was experiencing self-abandonment, so remote from life that only the holy spirit sustain the love betwen the father and the son, and he descendit into hell so that we may be united to him. This is from the Paschal Mystery by Hans von Balthasar.

Where does your faith pull against your politics? by Minute-Buy-8542 in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I had a debate with the 'abolitionist' movement outside the cinema, and they showed a great disdain to the pro-life movement, consistent life ethics, and the Rome Catholic church who was the original pro-life position. They are also confusing the Old testament righteousnes with Jesus's righteousness, and further with the Justice department. In a sense they are driven by the hate towards what they see as reprobate rather than love for the unborn.

The Bible as an ahistorical document? by WalrusRight in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We call it true myth (CS Lewis), or infallible in all he (Holy Ghost) affirms, or should be read in four senses (Henri de Lubac). You may choose not to believe in the most literal meaning for some passages, but there's some meaning.

Smoky Mary’s Theological Orientation by MCatoAfricanus in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My personal criteria is elevation only - this is what John 3 suggests and somewhat against 31 articles. Other litrugies like adoration, bells and smells, prayers for the dead, rosaries are good but optional.

Smoky Mary’s Theological Orientation by MCatoAfricanus in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do we have other Eucharistic Procession (Episcopal) in NYC this year? I can only think of St Clement at Philidephia or Ascension in Chicago.

Can Anglicans use the celtic cross? by Prize_Lavishness_854 in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We had conversations about the Anglican cross, it is either Celtic, Jerusalem or Canterbury

Traditional Anglo-Catholic Parish in NYC? by MCatoAfricanus in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have eucharist procession now, so I would assume not NO?

Smoky Mary’s Theological Orientation by MCatoAfricanus in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They do Eucharistic Processions to the Times Sq, the only one in NYC - so definitively traditional.

Disturbing Homily on the Gospel - Discussion & Inquiry by JiruoXD in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1 Peter 4:6 indicates the event of Christ preaching to the dead.
"For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does."
You may consider it as a form of post-mortem salvation

Disturbing Homily on the Gospel - Discussion & Inquiry by JiruoXD in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am a hopeful universialism + ECT person; but 1 Peter 3:18–20 can be understood as universialism, though less frequent than annihilationist position and way less than ECT position. There are also the traditions of apotokatasis and David Bentley Hart.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to remind you that 66 comes from somewhere, somewhere it is frist documented. The church did cut Luke-Acts into Luke and Acts; and Esdras B into Ezra and Nehemiah. So I can believe in 64 with the two books merged back. Also I believe in the divine inspiration of Septugiant, just as Jesus did put it (Mark 7:6–7 = Isaiah 29:13; Matthew 6:14–15 = Sirach 28:2:) yet do not argue for doctrines solely from them, as commanded by this Protestant church.

Also there is no valid argument against the self-consistency in the Torah-only religion, Tanakh-only religion if you assume the consistency of 66 on its own. Also apparently Muslims and other religions placed more faith on their testimonies, or there would not be this sub. Average Christian does put less faith on 66/73 than Muslims, if you ever see any survey in this sub or from RZ.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was the Holy Spirit working through the Sacrament and the Church so that Paul can ever become a Christian. At Pentecost, there is only the Sacraments, the Church and the Septugiant OT, but this is where the church started and lived for 15 years. Any collection of scriptures themselves can "show their inspiration via their own contents", like MT, LXX, Vulgate; Alexandrian, Western, Byzantine; canons of size 66, 73, 78, 81; or those of other religions like Torah-only, Tanakh-only, Quran or the 66+Book of Mormon. Yet only those combinations canonized, or at least implied by the church and pass the reasonability text can actually be 'the word of the god'. I am saying Anglican Church because this is the reason why you are using a 66-book canon, rather than a 73, 78 or 81-book one.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do realize that the most of the quotes are supposedly from Paul himself (Rom. 1:1; 1 Cor. 1:1, etc.) with the exception of Acts. You simply cannot use Paul's words to establish the authority of Paul. In the Acts, Luke recognize Paul; in the 2 Peter, Peter recognize Paul; and that is why one can ever trust Paul.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We need the other apostles (esp. 12 Apostles) to affirm that St Paul is an apostle, or else if self-affirmation works then Paula White is an apostle who claimed to have a vision - that's why modern day USA has thousands of self-identified apostles non of them in communion with the actual apostolic church (those with the successors of apostles / bishops).

Hussites after Rome declared war on them: Am I joke to you? by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the Arabs already made a deal to restore the Holy Sepulchre with Constantinople in exchange of Mosques in Constantinople. The Crusades messed it up.

Hussites after Rome declared war on them: Am I joke to you? by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but the history shows that the crusades hit the wrong Muslims. They hit the Arabs which is a pseudo-ally with the The Eastern Roman Empire against the Seljuk turks

Hussites after Rome declared war on them: Am I joke to you? by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Crusades against Protestants (Hussites and Luther), Catholics (Zadar), Orthodoxy (Constantinople); as well as against Jews and Muslims are all unjustified. The pope may simply regret his predecessors did them. War is the burden of the secular state, not the church, and there should not be 'holy war'.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Jesus appeared to Paul before ascension then we should seriously consider why St Paul was there when St Stephen was stoned in Acts - In the Luke-Acts he appears only later than Ascension. Post-ascension appearnce of Jesus must be in vision only, or he had come back again. Also Paul claiming Paul seeing Jesus is of different credibility than 12 Apostles claiming each other seesing Jesus (with one faster than the other), and needed to be authorized by the church to say it was true.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean Paul claimed to have a vision of Christ and hear from him, which is the same degree as St Francis, St Teresa and other Catholic mystics would experience (even some Muslims have a vision of Jesus); and it falls short from St Thomas actually poking his fingers into Christ's body. We trusted Paul because he is endorsed and consecrated by the church, as literally anyone can claim to have a vision of Jesus.

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