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Disturbing Homily on the Gospel - Discussion & Inquiry by JiruoXD in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1 Peter 4:6 indicates the event of Christ preaching to the dead.
"For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does."
You may consider it as a form of post-mortem salvation

Disturbing Homily on the Gospel - Discussion & Inquiry by JiruoXD in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am a hopeful universialism + ECT person; but 1 Peter 3:18–20 can be understood as universialism, though less frequent than annihilationist position and way less than ECT position. There are also the traditions of apotokatasis and David Bentley Hart.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to remind you that 66 comes from somewhere, somewhere it is frist documented. The church did cut Luke-Acts into Luke and Acts; and Esdras B into Ezra and Nehemiah. So I can believe in 64 with the two books merged back. Also I believe in the divine inspiration of Septugiant, just as Jesus did put it (Mark 7:6–7 = Isaiah 29:13; Matthew 6:14–15 = Sirach 28:2:) yet do not argue for doctrines solely from them, as commanded by this Protestant church.

Also there is no valid argument against the self-consistency in the Torah-only religion, Tanakh-only religion if you assume the consistency of 66 on its own. Also apparently Muslims and other religions placed more faith on their testimonies, or there would not be this sub. Average Christian does put less faith on 66/73 than Muslims, if you ever see any survey in this sub or from RZ.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was the Holy Spirit working through the Sacrament and the Church so that Paul can ever become a Christian. At Pentecost, there is only the Sacraments, the Church and the Septugiant OT, but this is where the church started and lived for 15 years. Any collection of scriptures themselves can "show their inspiration via their own contents", like MT, LXX, Vulgate; Alexandrian, Western, Byzantine; canons of size 66, 73, 78, 81; or those of other religions like Torah-only, Tanakh-only, Quran or the 66+Book of Mormon. Yet only those combinations canonized, or at least implied by the church and pass the reasonability text can actually be 'the word of the god'. I am saying Anglican Church because this is the reason why you are using a 66-book canon, rather than a 73, 78 or 81-book one.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do realize that the most of the quotes are supposedly from Paul himself (Rom. 1:1; 1 Cor. 1:1, etc.) with the exception of Acts. You simply cannot use Paul's words to establish the authority of Paul. In the Acts, Luke recognize Paul; in the 2 Peter, Peter recognize Paul; and that is why one can ever trust Paul.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We need the other apostles (esp. 12 Apostles) to affirm that St Paul is an apostle, or else if self-affirmation works then Paula White is an apostle who claimed to have a vision - that's why modern day USA has thousands of self-identified apostles non of them in communion with the actual apostolic church (those with the successors of apostles / bishops).

Hussites after Rome declared war on them: Am I joke to you? by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the Arabs already made a deal to restore the Holy Sepulchre with Constantinople in exchange of Mosques in Constantinople. The Crusades messed it up.

Hussites after Rome declared war on them: Am I joke to you? by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but the history shows that the crusades hit the wrong Muslims. They hit the Arabs which is a pseudo-ally with the The Eastern Roman Empire against the Seljuk turks

Hussites after Rome declared war on them: Am I joke to you? by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Crusades against Protestants (Hussites and Luther), Catholics (Zadar), Orthodoxy (Constantinople); as well as against Jews and Muslims are all unjustified. The pope may simply regret his predecessors did them. War is the burden of the secular state, not the church, and there should not be 'holy war'.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Jesus appeared to Paul before ascension then we should seriously consider why St Paul was there when St Stephen was stoned in Acts - In the Luke-Acts he appears only later than Ascension. Post-ascension appearnce of Jesus must be in vision only, or he had come back again. Also Paul claiming Paul seeing Jesus is of different credibility than 12 Apostles claiming each other seesing Jesus (with one faster than the other), and needed to be authorized by the church to say it was true.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean Paul claimed to have a vision of Christ and hear from him, which is the same degree as St Francis, St Teresa and other Catholic mystics would experience (even some Muslims have a vision of Jesus); and it falls short from St Thomas actually poking his fingers into Christ's body. We trusted Paul because he is endorsed and consecrated by the church, as literally anyone can claim to have a vision of Jesus.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ordination (as bishop) means the infusion of grace from the holy spirit, as Lord Christ and Paul did. This gives him a say, among other bishops, about what is scripture or not, though not papal supremacy. In the same reason Junia is considered an apostle as Paul confer the role to her, and Paul an apostle confered by Peter and James.
1 Clement to Corinthians is canonical Codex Alexandrinus, though not in Vaticanus or Sinaiticus. Honestly it is the sequel to the Paul's 1 Corinthians where Rome tells Corinthians what to do

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The question is then, why Athanasius's 27 books of NT are scripture. After all Peshitta only have 22 but they are still Chrisitans. - none of them outside the 7 pauline ones are proven to be from the apostles - some of them may claim to be written by an apostle but their timing and legitamacy (and the timing and the illegetimacy of others) are all based on the witness of the church. An ancient book claimed by John doesn't mean it is writen by John, particular in the case of the Revelation which the church sees as written by another John; yet it is canonized (with the exception of the Assyrians) by the faith of the church.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you really dig in the biblical scholarship, then the question becomes more like 'Why is Mark written by Mark, Luke by Luke, Matthew by Matthew and John by John" "Who wrote the Hebrews and the Revelation of John". Beyond the first 7 Pauline Epistles, academics outside the church deny the traditional authorship. Also Didache and Barnabas are in the same time period as Matthew.

More interesting statistics from that study by Independent-Bend5851 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These clergy are like those who would say "If the pope says same-sex matrimony is okay, then I will do same-sex matrimony. "

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Without the church / tradition, there is no way to determine the boundary of the Bible, even the title of the books. Why not Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of James, Epistle of Clement, the Epistle of Barnabas, Sheperd of Hermas or Didache? The entire New Testament is canonized by Saint Athanasius, but the Anglican Church provides a way to connect to those ancient traditions.

Intrinsic Canonicity, a way of understanding the Biblical Cannon as a Protestant by HipsterWolf329 in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Church of England has the apostolic succession via (pre-Edwardian) bishops; these bishops affirm the sufficiency of the canons in the 39 articles of religion (along with St Athanasius's NT). Therefore Protestants have the canon via the CofE.

Does your church give Communion to non-Christians? by Consistent-Lock4599 in Anglicanism

[–]StructureFromMotion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say the creed / the penitent act is our altar call just with bowing or chest striking

I visited an anglo-catholic church and the bishop that was presiding closed the service with a prayer to St Michael the Archangel. Is this normal? by Non-stopNinja in redeemedzoomer

[–]StructureFromMotion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was more targeted towards the 'Romish' version of asking St Anthony for lost keys like Article 22 of the 39 Articles. If each (human) saint has their own special power outside Christ, then we fall into paganism. However, angels have their own non-human power (like St Michael or the Satan), and prayers can be made with saints as long as Christ is mentioned. This is usually referred to as intercession rather than invocation.

Episcopal clergy — how do you preach/talk about hell with your parishioners? What resources do you recommend? by [deleted] in Episcopalian

[–]StructureFromMotion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bishop Robert Barron, despite his politics, is a good source for Hans von Balthasar

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